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V.T. Eric Layton

OK, I did a little test...At boot up...Arch --> 170 to 175 apps runningDebian --> 100 to 105 apps runningSlackware --> 120 to 125 apps running (with FF and TB initializing at boot)Arch is sure starting up with a lot of stuff running. I'm going to have to figure out why. There are three or four dbus entries running, also three udev entries running, and a lot of "k" stuff... kjournald, kbla-bla, etc. I also need to add a few more apps to this installation... GNUPaint, Xsane, and some others. Once I get the boot up apps squared away and add these few more apps that I need, Arch will be a completed, customized, and 100% usable distribution on my computer. YAY! :)

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OK, I did a little test... At boot up... Arch --> 170 to 175 apps running Debian --> 100 to 105 apps running Slackware --> 120 to 125 apps running (with FF and TB initializing at boot) Arch is sure starting up with a lot of stuff running. I'm going to have to figure out why. There are three or four dbus entries running, also three udev entries running, and a lot of "k" stuff... kjournald, kbla-bla, etc. I also need to add a few more apps to this installation... GNUPaint, Xsane, and some others. Once I get the boot up apps squared away and add these few more apps that I need, Arch will be a completed, customized, and 100% usable distribution on my computer. YAY! :)
I would imagine it has to do with all the K apps you are running at login. You might have more K things in Archlinux than the others. You might have to slim it down some.Thanks
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That's the odd part. I don't knowingly have any KDE apps running at start up. The only two KDE apps that I installed on this installation are K3B and Amarok, neither of which is running at boot time. Weird. I'll post a complete list of the running boot up apps later today sometime. :)

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Also, the only way something can start at boot is listed in the dameon list at the botttom of /etc/rc.conf. If you mean at login, check ~/.xinitrc if you use startx, check whatever login manager you decided to install, or check kde autostart. Other than that pastebin your processes and I will take a look.THanks

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That's not really correct. Many apps start when you boot any Linux distro. Just the Gnome desktop manager starts numerous apps that it requires to run. Gnome Panel initializes apps by itself. None of these apps are in rc.conf. Of course, "exec gnome" is in .xinitrc, but it has to be. rc.conf --> DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs crond alsa hal fam).xinitrc --> nvidia-settings --load-config-only & numlockx & exec gnome-session

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OK, I'm not too worried about the running processes at bootup non-issue with Arch. It actually seems to be thing with the way gkrellm's proc krell monitor counts processes and forks. Using top from the command line at boot up shows me that I have a total of 104 processes running. I tend to trust top more than gkrellm. :hysterical:

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That's not really correct. Many apps start when you boot any Linux distro. Just the Gnome desktop manager starts numerous apps that it requires to run. Gnome Panel initializes apps by itself. None of these apps are in rc.conf. Of course, "exec gnome" is in .xinitrc, but it has to be. rc.conf --> DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs crond alsa hal fam) .xinitrc --> nvidia-settings --load-config-only & numlockx & exec gnome-session
OK, are we speaking of booting or logging in(starting wm)? If we are speaking of booting, archlinux only starts what is in rc.conf and some init scripts at boot. Nothing more. If you use KDM or GDM then they start but that is because they are in rc.conf.Look here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Startup_files and here http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_boot_process/If you mean window managers, I do not use Gnome or KDE so I do not have any apps that start by themselves. Thats another reason why I use lightweight window managers versus the heavier ones. Although, I do have some things start automtically. For instance, I background a bunch of daemons and autostart a few apps/scripts in ~/.xinitrc but I choose to start them. I think I would have a problem with something starting on its own. When I ran KDE, I stripped everything possible out of it so I could make it minimal as possible and I did the same with Gnome when I ran it. I just noticed that you do not background your daemons. If you put an @ in front of the daemons in /etc/rc.conf, it will background the processes and make the boot process quicker:
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs @crond @alsa @hal @fam @sensors @mpd @mpdscribble @sshd @cups @ntop @gpm @fail2ban @openntpd @ntop)

## ~/.xinitrc## Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)#xscreensaver -no-splash &	 numlockx &				 nitrogen --restore  ... or any other WM of your choosing ...xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr.scripts/conkyscript &exec xmonad

Also, the process list from top looks a little better. You had me wondering what was going on.Thanks

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Yes... all is well with the process thing. I was speaking of processes running after "startx". Sorry for the misuse of terminology. :( Top is currently showing 109 apps running... that's FF and TB and all the other baloney. That's pretty much normal. CPU usage is okee-dokee, as is resource usage. All's well with my happy Arch Linux installation. Thanks for all your help, SB. I'm sure I'll be inquiring about other things from time to time. Right now though, Arch is pretty much ready-for-prime-time. It is now to the point where I could easily switch over to Arch should something happen with Slack or Debian.Next up for sometime this weekend... either another attempt at Gentoo or Slack 13-64. :)Off I go...P.S. Check out my Arch Halloween wallpaper over in the "Show Us Your GNU/Linux Desktop" thread. :hysterical:

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Yes... all is well with the process thing. I was speaking of processes running after "startx". Sorry for the misuse of terminology. :( Top is currently showing 109 apps running... that's FF and TB and all the other baloney. That's pretty much normal. CPU usage is okee-dokee, as is resource usage. All's well with my happy Arch Linux installation. Thanks for all your help, SB. I'm sure I'll be inquiring about other things from time to time. Right now though, Arch is pretty much ready-for-prime-time. It is now to the point where I could easily switch over to Arch should something happen with Slack or Debian. Next up for sometime this weekend... either another attempt at Gentoo or Slack 13-64. :( Off I go... P.S. Check out my Arch Halloween wallpaper over in the "Show Us Your GNU/Linux Desktop" thread. :hysterical:
I am glad to hear that everything is working great for you. Anytime you need something Arch related, I will do my best to help you along. I saw the wallpaper and its cool. I do not like red so I would not use it, but it is a very nice Halloween wallpaper.Thanks
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I never really stopped being a Gnomie. I've always had a Debian installation on my systems since 2006; using Gnome. I like Gnome. It's simple and it works... two really good points in its favor. :)That app looks pretty cool. I might install that baby in Debian (for starters) and see how it works. Thanks!What I REALLY need, though, is a decent paint app for Gnome. Gnupaint sucks. Gnome-Paint sucks. MTPaint is OK. Is there anything out there as simple and usable as Kolourpaint (KDE)?

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Psst, Eric: Now that you're a Gnomie again, have you tried a screenshot proggy called "Shutter"? Looks & feels promising! http://shutter-project.org/ Arch package: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24443 :thumbsup:
Wow thats pretty cool!! I do not think that it will replace scrot but it does have some really nice features.Thanks Edited by securitybreach
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SLACKWARE 13 - 64

OK, folks... it's a whole new day and I'm in Slack 13-64 trying to get this thing all set up to make sure that I'm going to like it before I commit to installing in over my 12.2 primary OS. So far, I've set up my KDE4 preferences. I've updated/upgraded with slackpkg. I've set up fstab and my /home directories. All seems OK, so far. Can't say I'm really liking KDE4 yet, but maybe it'll grow on me.Next up, I believe I'll have to manually install the Nvidia drivers via the Nvidia script because there don't seem to be any in the slackpkg repos. That figures, though. It's not to bad manually installing Nvidia in Slack, though, because Slack rarely ever upgrades the kernel.Off I go to kill X and run the Nvidia script. Back in a bit...

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OK, Flash is in and working. That was easy. I just downloaded the 64 bit source from SlackBuilds and copied the libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.3/plugins and to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins (for Seamonkey). Yay! :(

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No. There are problems with KDE4, I'm afraid. It won't keep my settings. It's buggy as heck. Just lost my Kmix... get the bouncy mouse but no app starts. Click on FF, get bouncy mouse for about 30 seconds after the app starts. One of my entire panels disappeared after reboot. I AM NOT LIKING KDE4 or SLACK 13 so far. :(Going to bed now... before I put my foot through my monitor. :(

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I don't know, B. :( I'm wondering if Slack 13 can be installed with KDE3. I'm going to do some Googling today and see what I can find out. To tell you the truth, though, I'm really not liking KDE4 even when it works. It's just too bloated, complicated, eye-candy, Windows Vista-like for my tastes. I'm kinda' surprised at Pat V. about this. :(

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Found this interesting blogpost --> http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2009/08/3...n-slackware-13/However, I also found that Pat V. has already anticipated the need for this --> ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/linux/dist...lack13.0/READMEI think I'll try Pat's method first.I'm currently vvget-ting the entire contents (all .txz's) in the x86-64 directory for the unsupported KDE3.5.10. It's about a 250Meg download. Once I have that, I'll boot into Slack 13 (no X running) and follow Pat's directions to swap out KDE4 for the KDE3.5.10. I'll keep ya' posted...

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i looked into kde 3 with one of my debian installs... the files are there, but, yikes! i'd hate to be the one picking and choosing what goes and what stays!

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Well, Pat V.'s instructions were pretty plain. It works, but I'm still having a buggy problem with FF starting up. That is probably a Slack 13 issue, not a KDE3.5 issue, though, because it was doing it in KDE4 also.

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Well, Pat V.'s instructions were pretty plain. It works
Good, excellent :thumbsup: . . . Now I hope you can solve the FF problem and you're set for the next year up to 13.1 ;)B) Bruno
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I've seen the symptom I'm seeing with FF in Slack 13 before elsewhere. It almost seem as if clicking on the icon in the panel or the menu is trying to open two instances of the app. I may remove and reinstall FF and see if that resolves it.

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You may have noticed that my linux bar in my sig has changed. :thumbsup: I'm reinstalling PCLinuxOS Phoenix edition. Why? Well, because I've come to the conclusion that it may be a long, long (maybe never) time before I get Gentoo installed on one of my systems. Gentoo is just a bit much for me, I'm afraid. :(Off I go...

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Wow, never heard of the Phoenix edition of PCLinuxOS. Looks pretty cool. Gonna check it out in VirtualBox.Or not:Bandwidth Limit ExceededThe server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later. Oh well I will try later. Got another mirror Eric? Thanks

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