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I'm not really for sure off the top of my head.

True...

It is my project and we will do things my way, full stop. Yes but if we did it this way it would be much better. I told you, It is my project and we will do things my way, full stop. Yes but several of us feel that if we did it this way it would be much better. Well go and do it your way, but not here as, It is my project and we will do things my way, full stop. An so on ad infinitum.

The Wayland ,X.org subject is worth debate and interesting. Just not here in the Window Maker thread.

I did the above and then did a full update. Puzzled as to why I get, linux-firmware-radeon-20250613.12fe085f-5 I can not uninstall that as "linux-firmware" depends on it. Same thing with the nvidia one. I thought that they had split the firmware up to save on downloading bandwidth and storage.So how come I can not get rid of some stuff. Not a big deal just baffling.

100% agree. Xorg until everything has changed to another display server. I've never had the desire to use or setup wayland or any other display server. Nice quote that sums it up: https://www.cbtnuggets.com/blog/technology/devops/wayland-vs-xorg-wayland-replace-xorg

Then you have things like Hyprland on Wayland trying to charge money to use their "premium" features... https://account.hypr.land/pricing I do not know why people can't simply contribute to projects instead of trying to fork everything. It's why we have hundreds of distros mostly based on a couple of distros.

I have not tried and am not interested in Wayland as WM will not run on it. That wlmaker looks interesting but not for me. Wayland has a long way to go before it is fully stable for daily use across the board. So for me it is X11 which has taken an interesting turn lately. https://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?/topic/98486-xlibre-fork-of-xserver/ As to the memes, I have been promoting Window Maker over on reddit and am having fun doing so. One day Window Maker will be the one and only, lol.

Xlibre fork lights a fire under long-dormant X.org development Interestingly, I hope this spat leads to interest and forward development for both programs.

And the News looks like this was only for people with nvidia systems.

Yeah, I do not know how you ended up with all of them as you should only be using the one for your system. That said, most of those are installed on my machine as well except for the qlogic one. Most of these packages are tiny and you probably shouldnt mess with them, unless you have a backup to restore if things go sideways.

Neat. I followed the instructions from the news and all went well. These are the firmwares it installed, Packages (17) amd-ucode-20250613.12fe085f-5 ca-certificates-mozilla-3.113-1 lib32-nss-3.113-1 linux-6.15.3.arch1-1 linux-firmware-amdgpu-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-atheros-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-broadcom-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-intel-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-mediatek-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-nvidia-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-other-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-qlogic-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-radeon-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-realtek-20250613.12fe085f-5 linux-firmware-whence-20250613.12fe085f-5 nss-3.113-1 linux-firmware-20250613.12fe085f-5 It seems I have a firmware installed as an optional dependency also, linux-firmware-qlogic: Firmware for QLogic devices [installed] How do I find out which of the new firmwares are not needed for my pc ? I am running on all AMD so do not see the need for Nvidia stuff, but it may be needed for some program or other. I have enough space and bandwidth to get all the firmwares but it would be nice to only have the ones I need. Good for the planet and the costs for the Arch servers.

To progress with the system upgrade, first remove linux-firmware, then reinstall it as part of the upgrade: # pacman -Rdd linux-firmware # pacman -Syu linux-firmware https://archlinux.org/news/linux-firmware-2025061312fe085f-5-upgrade-requires-manual-intervention/

100% agreed

absolutely correct. and there's irony in that business model too! if you go back far enough, you just described the american automotive business in the late 70s and early 80s. make 'em cheap, sell 'em cheap, and then sell 'em a new one just as soon as the car loan was paid off. fat, dumb, and happy from the excessive profits of the muscle-car era, american automakers got greedy trying to squeeze even MORE profit. "our cars just last too long....if they didn't last as long, folks would buy them more often" american cars became junk, and quickly became expensive maintenance nightmares almost as soon as the warranty expired. enter the japanese (back then, just Datsun and Toyota) with their tighter metric tolerances and better gas mileage. but the catalyst was the 70s oil embargo/gas shortage, and the american auto industry was put into a death spiral. any of this look remotely familiar to current business models? what we need (again!) is a disruptor, because once again, greed has forgotten the lesson. i look forward to the disruptor....

With desktops and to a certain extent with laptops, you can upgrade storage, video, and platform components, pop in a Linux O/S and you've got a really useful machine. I haven't been able to do that with tablets. Basically you are stuck with a SOC that cannot be upgraded. Maybe if you get a high end tablet you'll have a more powerful system that'll last longer. But for what I do with tablets, it doesn't seem worth it.

My old Tab A 7.0 had a Snapdragon 410 Quad Core 1.2 GHz. The new one has an Octa Core MediaTek Helio G99 with the Cortex A76 speed cores 2.2 GHz. There's absolutely no comparison.

That hasn't been my experience. I think it is the chipset that causes the slowdown. My oldest Galaxy Tab A (10.1") from 2016 is the fastest even though it has 2GB RAM and the next fastest has 4GB RAM. I'm basing this on how long it takes for updates to download and install. Exynos 7870 chipset. (Octa-core) (I prefer to select and install the updates I want on all my android devices rather than having them auto download). The Galaxy A8 (10+")from Dec 2023 is the next in speed. Qualcomm Snapdragon 425 (Quad-core) The turtle of the bunch is the 2019 Galaxy A8 (8"). Unisoc Tiger Cortez A75 and A55 (Quad-core). Model SM-T380 not SM-T290 which has a Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset. When I'm ready to buy another tablet, I will pay closer attention to the chipset.

It all sounds good until you realize the companies aren't interested in making something that can be repaired or sold second hand. They would rather you buy new every couple of years, appliances included. Society as a whole would need to change to the point where people would rather buy something that's repairable than the latest and greatest.

i agree with you on that SB. the problem isn't the obsolescence, as obsolescence is inevitable over a long enough time line. the problem is the PLANNED obsolescence, which artificially shortens the time line. my idea would be to require the software of OBSOLETED devices to be open-sourced....or to "open source the hardware". If the device is obsolete, by definition it has been replaced with something new, improved, and/or better; so I don't see the problem with making the older, lesser quality devices available for 2nd lives or alternative uses. If that was a legal requirement, 1 of 2 things would happen....either the obsoleted devices would be "handed over" to open source communities (here's the junker, and here's the keys...good luck and have at it) OR companies would be reluctant to drop support for obsoleted devices so quickly. I'd be willing to bet the 2nd outcome is more likely, but either would be a good thing, IMO.