longgone Posted September 9, 2006 Author Share Posted September 9, 2006 ...........Removed it ... installed it got the errors that it has dependencies on the wvstreams base and extras ... but it said this time they are not configured so my guess is that even though they MIGHT be installed .. they still need work done on them before wvdial will be effetive ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hi DaleI have been following this a little . . . . . and I am starting to think that Debian simply does not like your modem.See . . . from a "default-install" there should be the correct packages to make a dial-up connection. Debian is a very complete distro, and basically all should be there to connect to the internet no matter what way ( dial-up or broadband ).Now, we have seen you struggling to install additional packages, but I get the impression that you are getting these errors because other packages are the default for dial-up in Debian and those have been there from the start. The fact that they did not do "the trick" is a big downer, but if I were you I would move on to Ubuntu, Mepis or other Debian based distros that are more userfriendly then the distro they are based on. ( After all, those distros were created because the "parent" was not user-friendly and they wanted to do a better job . . . . . . . ) Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 Bruno...I can thoroughly understand what you are saying, to say the least this has been the most frustrating OS that I have used to date ... what I cannot for the life of me understand is during the installation itself .. I made and maintained for hours a connection to the web without any problems ... I downloaded 6.5 hours worth of security updates .. installed them ... all while connected ... I thought that when that was done that the connection would automatically disconnect as it has in the past on some distros .... I tried the connection using the networking icon but that gave me the error "wvdial not found" that is when I tried to use "kppp" .. it told me the modem was busy ..as an afterthought , I clicked on Mozilla and and made the connect to scots ... that gave me the impression that I was connected through "kppp" .. I then ran apt-get update/upgrade .. which d/l'd a few pkgs ,, one of which had to do with ppp .. installed them ... decided to see if I could reconnect ... broke the connection completely ,, rebooted and reconnected .. all good to go ... shut the machine off for the night.. and the next day ... everything went south .. still had no wvdial (even though I found a folder labeled wvdial.conf) and "kppp" refused to work ... so at this point I know that at one time I did have and maintained a web connection ... my best guess is that possibily those ppp pkgs I d/l'd messed up the already existing kppp .. since now all it does is dial, connect and then disconnect .... one (maybe ) bright light/s do a total reinstall and take care of it all from square one .. or find a way to get kppp straight ....... AND as far as the buntu family goes .. remember the hassle I had last time and you spent days getting me fixed ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Well, yes not I remember Ubuntu . . . so that was not such a good suggestion maybe . . . . . . anyway what you can try is start with a clean Debian install . . .and wait with the updates . . . first figure out what exactly is dialing in ( type "top" and it should be in the process table ). In any case don't start installing dialup packages if the dialup works Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) I sort of figured you would remember that fiasco .... but FWIW .. the buntus' did the exact same thing on my other machine ... so I think I might hang them out for target practice .... OTOH ... I have a nice copy of Vector SOHO I could drop on a spare partition ... not to mention a d/l in progress of PCLOS93a BD ,, and another d/l of "etch" ..... lots to do ... Edited September 10, 2006 by longgone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 longgone, did you go from using a Live debian CD to installing it and then updating it for 6 1/2 hours? I ask because I ran a Live Mephis (Debian family) which worked perfectly and everytime I installed it, I lost my broadband internet connection. Thinking I did something wrong, I went thru this routine 3 or 4 times until I finally concluded something is wrong in this version of Mephis. An older version doesn't suffer from the same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Liz .....No this was not a live cd ,, I d/l'd and burned the first 4 disks of the 14 cd set .. I installed it several times finding out new things with each different install ... experience .. ya gotta love it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 .. ..............My oh my oh my ....... eeeyyyaaaaaa..... !!!!!!!!!! this post is being sent from Debian 3.1r2 ...... and what a story ... as you all have read I have been having a massive problem here trying to get onlone with Debian ,,, Bruno and Steel have been helping immensely ... a re-install was just around the corner ... (would have been on my other machine for a test run) ... I figured one last shot here ..... booted into Debian > System Tools > Synaptic Package Manager > KPPP ...... removed it (along with kdenetwork and another "K" pkg) and 'lo and behold a terminal window opens up and tells me I can configure "wvdial" that illusive little critter ... I give it the necessary info ,, it goes to work ,, checks ttyS0 , no luck ,, ttyS1, no luck, skips 2 & 3 , does ttyS4 does the protocols and dials the number and here I am ....... now I have no idea if it will work after I break down the connection, reboot, and shut the machine off ,,, but this is a breakthrough ....... I am under the impression that I can only have one dialer and not two ....... :'( :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Nice Work Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 :'( ............Update (already) ... this is a goood day ... broke the connection ... rebooted .. and by jove old stick it still works ... by crikey ... I have a keeper ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dale !!! Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
réjean Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Fantastic Dale! I'm happy for you because a computer without access to the Net is nothing more than an expensive candle table. I know that I am learning more and more to move between distros ( get a file from here, move it there, retrieve it from another "/mnt/..." and copy it there, but I also save files on my Yahoo mail ( like bookmarks ) that I can recover from any computer ( wherever I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 ...........Thank you ... I still have a looooooooooooong way to go ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yes but getting on the internet is one major problem solved!Hooray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) I have more questions now ...........for a start the Debian updates ... found out after some nosing around with "gedit" that I had NO sources for updates .. it was total blank .. not even the 2 install disks ... I went back through this thread and some pm's and came up with 5 sources which I entered (all this was yesterday) now I try to do apt-get and it kicks back the error unable to fetch.............. security.org and it is an extensive list ... so my question ... what sources should be in there (my repository) ????? Edited September 14, 2006 by longgone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Hi DaleThese are the basic sources I have in the Sarge /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sarge maindeb-src ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sarge maindeb ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sarge contribdeb ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sarge non-freedeb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 Bruno...thanks .. put them in .... but now can't connect GGRRR.... also I get this warning when I use the gedit /etc/apt/sources.list# cmd(gedit:1695): GnomeUI-WARNING **: while connecting to session manager :authentivation rejected, reason: none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed ...how do I fix this so that it no longer keeps coming up ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Hi DaleAre you using KDE or Gnome ?? Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 Using Gnome for the moment ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Then try ( as user ) $ gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 Okay ... I'll add that to my notes here ... thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 If you are in KDE you use "kdesu" . . . . . . . and if you have both Gnome and KDE installed you can use either gksu or kdesuB) Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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