abarbarian Posted January 16, 2024 Author Posted January 16, 2024 On 1/14/2024 at 12:17 PM, securitybreach said: Well that should say "you get a better understanding of how lnux distros are put together". That is some fine nit picking. On 1/14/2024 at 12:17 PM, securitybreach said: I do not think he understands the function of the AUR. Recon you are of base with this one as he states, Quote Arch Linux has plenty of software in its repository. The AUR extends the software offering of Arch Linux. I really liked his arguments in point one and six and fully agree with both. Quote 1. The DIY approach gives you control over every aspect of your operating system The point above was a major influence in me deciding to use Arch but it was this point that was the main reason, "6. No corporate involvement! Arch is created, supported and owned by community Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, Fedora is from Red Hat (part of IBM now) and openSUSE is from SUSE. All these major distributions are corporate-backed. This is not bad or a crime in itself. But a few people do not like corporate involvement in open source projects. Like Debian, Arch Linux is one of the rare few community-only Linux distribution projects. You may point out that many other distributions like Linux Mint etc are also not sponsored by corporate. Well, that might be true but Linux Mint itself is based on Ubuntu and uses Ubuntu’s repositories. Arch Linux is not derivative of another distribution. In that sense, Debian and Arch Linux are more pure community-driven projects. It may not matter to many people but a few people do care about such things." of course if I could use more of the grey cell I would have gone with Gentoo or Linux From Scratch. Quote
abarbarian Posted January 16, 2024 Author Posted January 16, 2024 Looking at Arch based distros I came across Arco linux. This has multiple offerings and tons of information, guides,videos etc. Some of the guides are very well written and presented. However they offer many different types of window managers and desktops, almost too many to count. Missing from their list is my favourite Window Maker. Viewing their video ArcoLinux : 3298 how to decide what iso to download I decided to question why they ommited Window Maker and indeed make no mention of it on their home site. Not even one single reference to it . So I posted in the comments section, and got a reply which was so shocking that I was left speechless. 1 Quote
Hedon James Posted January 17, 2024 Posted January 17, 2024 On 1/16/2024 at 8:02 AM, abarbarian said: Looking at Arch based distros I came across Arco linux. This has multiple offerings and tons of information, guides,videos etc. Some of the guides are very well written and presented. However they offer many different types of window managers and desktops, almost too many to count. Missing from their list is my favourite Window Maker. Viewing their video ArcoLinux : 3298 how to decide what iso to download I decided to question why they ommited Window Maker and indeed make no mention of it on their home site. Not even one single reference to it . So I posted in the comments section, and got a reply which was so shocking that I was left speechless. hahaha....that's actually kinda funny. To be fair to Mr. Dubois, I hadn't heard of WindowMaker until I started frequenting this forum. Nearly everything I know about WindowMaker is due to your evangelism, brutha. Thanks to your efforts and demonstrations, I have even considered it for my own system, as it checks many of the boxes for my requirements. Unfortunately, other WMs check more boxes; but I could absolutely use WindowMaker, and be fine with that, if I couldn't have Flux, Pek, or Openbox anymore. WindowMaker used to be unheard of, and unknown to me. But is now in my top 4 choices for a WM! And that's ALL because of you AB. Maybe Mr. Dubois just needs more exposure to come around? You know what to do... Quote
abarbarian Posted January 17, 2024 Author Posted January 17, 2024 5 minutes ago, Hedon James said: WindowMaker used to be unheard of, and unknown to me. But is now in my top 4 choices for a WM! Yeah I am going to ramp up the Window Maker promotion this year. Going to start making some YT vids etc. If Trump can be a president I can make Window Maker the desktop of the world. 1 Quote
Hedon James Posted January 17, 2024 Posted January 17, 2024 1 hour ago, abarbarian said: Yeah I am going to ramp up the Window Maker promotion this year. Going to start making some YT vids etc. If Trump can be a president I can make Window Maker the desktop of the world. If those are my 2 choices, I would at least be okay with WindowMaker and wouldn't count down the days until I could replace it. LOL! 1 Quote
abarbarian Posted February 6, 2024 Author Posted February 6, 2024 (edited) Arch Linux-Based SystemRescue 11 Released with Linux Kernel 6.6 LTS Quote Arch Linux-based SystemRescue 11 live Linux toolkit for system rescue and recovery tasks has been released today with a newer kernel, new packages, and various enhancements. EndeavourOS Galileo Neo Released with Linux Kernel 6.7 and Improved Installer Quote EndeavourOS Galileo Neo comes a little over two months after EndeavourOS Galileo providing users who want to install EndeavourOS on new computers with an up-to-date installation media that’s powered by the latest and greatest Linux 6.7 kernel series and Mesa 23.3.3 graphics stack. Edited February 6, 2024 by abarbarian 1 Quote
securitybreach Posted February 6, 2024 Posted February 6, 2024 29 minutes ago, abarbarian said: Arch Linux-Based SystemRescue 11 Released with Linux Kernel 6.6 LTS Neat, I remember SystemRescue from back in the day. I didn't know that they were now arch based. Quote
abarbarian Posted February 6, 2024 Author Posted February 6, 2024 27 minutes ago, securitybreach said: I didn't know that they were now arch based. Seems quite a few folk are using Arch as a base these days. Quote
abarbarian Posted March 15, 2024 Author Posted March 15, 2024 A couple of good Arch install videos using the Arch Install Script, both of them are fairly recent. This script is an easy way to get to try out Arch for new users. Once someone has given Arch a try out with this or a derivative distro I would recommend they do a full manual install as that way they can customize to suit. After all that is one of the attractions of using Arch, making the os suit you. 1 Quote
securitybreach Posted March 15, 2024 Posted March 15, 2024 28 minutes ago, abarbarian said: This script is an easy way to get to try out Arch for new users. Very cool but that is not what the script is made for. It's suggested that new users do not use the script and do it the normal way. This is because it is very counterproductive to have a custom system that you do not know anything about. The install script is made for intermediate Arch users who need a faster installation, nothing more. Quote The installer will not configure WiFi before the installation begins. You need to read up on Arch Linux networking before you continue. Quote
securitybreach Posted March 15, 2024 Posted March 15, 2024 They don't exactly refer to it as an installer: Quote archinstall is a helper library which automates the installation of Arch Linux. It is packaged with different pre-configured installers, such as a "guided" installer. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall Also: Quote archinstall offers different defaults than the regular installation process. When using a system installed with archinstall, please mention so in support requests and provide /var/log/archinstall/install.log. Quote
abarbarian Posted March 15, 2024 Author Posted March 15, 2024 41 minutes ago, securitybreach said: Very cool but that is not what the script is made for. It's suggested that new users do not use the script and do it the normal way. This is because it is very counterproductive to have a custom system that you do not know anything about. The install script is made for intermediate Arch users who need a faster installation, nothing more. Ah ha righty ho. I just came across the videos whilst searching for something else. I never read up on the installer although I knew it existed as I always do a manual install. 1 Quote
securitybreach Posted March 15, 2024 Posted March 15, 2024 42 minutes ago, abarbarian said: Ah ha righty ho. I just came across the videos whilst searching for something else. I never read up on the installer although I knew it existed as I always do a manual install. I played with it on a vm, it seems to work as intended. 1 Quote
abarbarian Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 Here is a story I never thought I would read.Arch in bed with Microsoft Microsoft’s WSL May Soon Embrace Arch Linux Quote Arch may soon become an officially offered distro on Microsoft's Windows Subsystem for Linux, expanding its reach to Windows users. What do you folks think. is it a good thing or is it the first step to hell ? Quote
securitybreach Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Its not changing arch at all. They are just going to be added along with a bunch of other distros already offered. Quote First, you’ll need to get the WSL image from Arch’s GitLab, which adds a bit of hassle. But more importantly, Arch isn’t officially supported on WSL. So, while it works, it’s best thought of as more of a PoC. Not officially supported by Archlinux, just something some one is working on. So Arch isn't "getting into bed" with Microsoft at all. Quote
abarbarian Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 Looks like Allen McRae is involved in the discussion and does not seem anti the idea. From what I gather it is coming up for an official yay or nay vote in a few days time. Quote Allan McRae @allan · 5 days ago Contributor Resolved 5 days ago by Robin Candau I think it is important to note the unoffical Arch WSL that exists (and is in the Windows store using Arch trademarks...) https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9mznmnksm73x?hl=en-US&gl=US https://github.com/yuk7/ArchWSL Allan McRae @allan · 5 days ago Contributor And another: https://github.com/sileshn/ArchWSL2 One advantage of Arch providing an official WSL installer is that these become redundant. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/merge_requests/50 Quote
securitybreach Posted February 17 Posted February 17 4 hours ago, abarbarian said: Looks like Allen McRae is involved in the discussion and does not seem anti the idea. From what I gather it is coming up for an official yay or nay vote in a few days time. I would be surprised if he was on board with it. Quote
abarbarian Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 (edited) Bluestar Linux is a gorgeous MacOS-like take on KDE Plasma that's easy to use Quote When you log in to Bluesky, you'll find a layout that should be familiar to anyone who's used MacOS. There's a dock at the bottom of the desktop, a top bar, and several icons. You'll find a desktop menu on the far left edge of the top bar and the desktop icons all take you to different folders within your home directory. BluestarLinux Brought to you by: david-76, jghodd Quote Bluestar Linux is an Arch Linux-based distribution, built with an understanding that people want and need a solid Operating System that provides a breadth of functionality and ease of use without sacrificing aesthetics. Bluestar is offered in three edtions - desktop, deskpro and developer - each tailored to address the needs of a variety of Linux users. Bluestar can be installed permanently as a robust and fully configurable operating system on a laptop or desktop system, or it can be run effectively as a live installer and supports the addition of persistent storage for those who choose not to perform a permanent installation. I gave this a whirl running it from my Ventoy USB. Most impressive, ran quickly and smoothly all the programs I ran worked fine and even the sound worked on the video I tried. Loved the blue wallpaper that lighthouse was pretty spiffing. The amount of installed programs was huge as are the customisation options in Plasma. They rather overwhelmed this Window Maker user. I ran a "pacman -Syu" and there were 500 updtaes with an install size of 1.1 GB as I had no room left on the Ventoy I did not carry out the update. This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what Plasma on Arch looks and acts like. Edited March 8 by abarbarian Quote
securitybreach Posted March 8 Posted March 8 15 minutes ago, abarbarian said: This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what Plasma on Arch looks and acts like. Sorry to nitpick but shouldn't that say: "This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what vanilla Plasma looks and acts like." Archlinux does not patch packages as they are vanilla upstream sources as the original dev intended. Quote Arch Linux defines simplicity as without unnecessary additions or modifications. It ships software as released by the original developers (upstream) with minimal distribution-specific (downstream) changes: patches not accepted by upstream are avoided, and Arch's downstream patches consist almost entirely of backported bug fixes that are obsoleted by the project's next release. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux Quote
abarbarian Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 7 hours ago, securitybreach said: "This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what vanilla Plasma looks and acts like." Hmm not sure as I am not familiar with Plasma. It does have a , Quote a customized KDE Plasma desktop environment Has Plasma been fiddled with or it it just that widgets etc have been moved around or themes etc have been made for it ? Also they have a custom repository but I have no idea what it contains. I only had a quick play with it and found it pretty and pretty slick too. Quote
securitybreach Posted March 8 Posted March 8 KDE turned into Plasma back in 2009 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma Quote
securitybreach Posted March 8 Posted March 8 They may of themed it but my point was that Archlinux does not custom anything at all. Quote
securitybreach Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Plasma on Arch would look totally different and more like this: Quote
abarbarian Posted March 9 Author Posted March 9 12 hours ago, securitybreach said: Plasma on Arch would look totally different and more like this: I fully understand your point regarding Arch not altering any of the programs it offers. Official programs for Arch are exactly as the developers made them. This one one of the attractions to me of Arch when I first started using it. This makes finding and correcting any glitches that occur in the programs much quicker and easier as you can go straight to the source to bug find. No meandering through a maze of tweaks to try and find a gremlin. Your suggestion that, 21 hours ago, securitybreach said: "This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what vanilla Plasma looks and acts like." is incorrect as your screen shot above demonstrates. Perhaps my sentence would be more correct if read as, "This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what a customised Plasma on Arch looks and acts like." Whatever I think that Bluestar is neat and well worth a look at. You have to bear in mind that I am pretty old and self taught and my english grammar sucks big time so inconsistencies will occur in my posts. I am always happy to have them pointed out as that is one way to learn and improve. Quote
securitybreach Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Nah, its not all that. I was simply referring to this part of your comment Quote This Bluestar is well worth trying out if you want to see what Plasma on Arch looks and acts like. Just me nitpicking 1 Quote
raymac46 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Plasma seems to be a good DE for Arch-based distros to customize. EndeavourOS is now using Plasma as its default, although you can install a variety of DEs. I still use Xfce as that was the default when I installed EndeavourOS. 2 Quote
securitybreach Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Yeah, Plasma is a nice window manager and has gotten a lot better over the years. I am still diehard i3wm but KDE Plasma isnt badd. Quote
sunrat Posted March 10 Posted March 10 7 hours ago, securitybreach said: Yeah, Plasma is a nice window manager and has gotten a lot better over the years. I am still diehard i3wm but KDE Plasma isnt badd. Point of order - Plasma is a Desktop Environment, kwin is its window manager. I'm a diehard KDE Plasma user. 1 1 Quote
securitybreach Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, sunrat said: Point of order - Plasma is a Desktop Environment, kwin is its window manager. I'm a diehard KDE Plasma user. Yeah I meant to type desktop environment, not window manager Quote
abarbarian Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 10 hours ago, sunrat said: Point of order - Plasma is a Desktop Environment, kwin is its window manager. Not that you are nitpicking here 1 Quote
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