Urmas Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Sorry Eric, but this is Kool, actually – for a while, anyway: "What are you doing, Urmas?""Tilting plasmoids. My new hobby." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 RIGHT click the "K" on lower left corner, choose "Menu Editor".Into "Internet", create a "New Item":See the blue "planet icon"? Yours looks like a question mark, right? Click on it, and you can choose an icon for your entry.That done, you can "copy" the new menu entry to the panel by RIGHT clicking it and choosing "Add to Panel". And:It's that first one which was the real key. Told you I tend to miss those things which are staggeringly obvious! After that it was a piece of cake - I even used GIMP to create a cool little Verizon icon. And the whole thing works like a charm. Now I've got to figure out how to uninstall the autolaunch I've got set up and set up the autolaunch with the new thingie.Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Welcome to BATL, ChipDoc. Some of us use KDE, some Gnome which are the 2 biggest desktop environments in terms of install size and resource usage, and also the most popular. Some use more lightweight setups like Xfce or LXDE (which runs great on my EeePC). For some reason Eric's computer is allergic to KDE4. security breach said Gnome is easier to configure, but I think it's just because KDE has way more configuration options. Gnome is designed to be simple. I personally use and recommend KDE. You'll find a wealth of knowledge and support here. We're not all hardcore experts, but if there's a problem to be solved we usually keep beating it over the head until it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Hi Chip, a good place to start getting a handle on where programs are, could be to right click on items in the Start Menu and looking at the properties. It will show the location for the executable in the properties.I love KDE ... it has always been my favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 3, 2010 Author Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yeah... allergies. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Hi Chip, a good place to start getting a handle on where programs are, could be to right click on items in the Start Menu and looking at the properties. It will show the location for the executable in the properties.Oh I've already tried the obvious stuff. But when I right click on items in the Start Menu, the only options I have are Add to Favorites, Add to Desktop, and Add to Panel. When I click on items in the panel, I get more options, but nothing that lets me check out the properties. Oh well, I'll figure it out sooner or later.Probably sooner, since I'm having so much fun playing with this thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Hmmm, maybe that is when you create a shortcut....thought you used to be able to do that.Here's something that could be fun:KDE 4.0 Visual Guide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Wow, that's a great link - thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 urmas@hyrysysy:~$ whereis firefoxfirefox: /usr/bin/firefox /etc/firefox /usr/lib/firefox /usr/share/firefoxurmas@hyrysysy:~$ whereis operaopera: /usr/bin/opera /usr/lib/opera /usr/share/opera /usr/share/man/man1/opera.1.gzurmas@hyrysysy:~$ whereis gimpgimp: /usr/bin/gimp /etc/gimp /usr/lib/gimp /usr/share/gimp /usr/share/man/man1/gimp.1.gzurmas@hyrysysy:~$ whereis evolutionevolution: /usr/bin/evolution /usr/lib/evolution /usr/share/evolution /usr/share/man/man1/evolution.1.gz See a pattern here? As for [user] configuration files: they are in your /home directory – hidden (file/folder names begin with a dot – e.g. ".java", ".mozilla")... in order to view them, you have to tell your file manager to show hidden files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yep, I see the pattern! So I tried it myself and that raised a few more questions... [chip@localhost ~]$ whereis firefoxfirefox: /usr/bin/firefox[chip@localhost ~]$ whereis gimpgimp: /usr/bin/gimp /etc/gimp /usr/lib/gimp /usr/share/gimp /usr/share/man/man1/gimp.1.bz2[chip@localhost ~]$ whereis chromiumchromium: Now I can't help but wonder why Firefox is in one place, GIMP is in four places, and Chromium (which I'm using to type this!) doesn't appear at all.As George Carlin said, "Well... it's a mystery!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Maybe do a: whereis chromium-browser Sometimes names are slightly different than you would think initially, especially if the name could be multiple things, as in Chromium the browser, Chromium the OS, chromium the Firefox theme, etc. Google I think was a bit foolish in one way to name their browser after a component of Firefox, but then they made sure that people would see it without a lot of intensive marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Yep, I see the pattern! So I tried it myself and that raised a few more questions...[chip@localhost ~]$ whereis firefoxfirefox: /usr/bin/firefox[chip@localhost ~]$ whereis gimpgimp: /usr/bin/gimp /etc/gimp /usr/lib/gimp /usr/share/gimp /usr/share/man/man1/gimp.1.bz2[chip@localhost ~]$ whereis chromiumchromium: Now I can't help but wonder why Firefox is in one place, GIMP is in four places, and Chromium (which I'm using to type this!) doesn't appear at all.As George Carlin said, "Well... it's a mystery!" /usr/bin/gimp is the actual program, /etc/gimp contains the global configuration files (like Win registry but using human-readable text files), /usr/lib/gimp contains libraries that can also be shared with other programs (kinda like dll files in Windows) and /usr/share/ usually contains the documentation and resources like icons and texture files etc. /usr/share/man/man1/gimp.1.bz2 is the man file, many programs have a help file called man. Try the command man gimp to see it. That's probably a simplified explanation though. I don't know where chromium hides though, don't use it.If you really want to see every file with the name gimp, you can use the command locate gimp May be a scary number of results. As that will fill a few pages on the console you can pipe it through the less command to only show a pageful at a time. Use the spacebar to scroll to the next page. The pipe symbol ( | ) tells the console to feed the result of one command to the next command. Like this: locate gimp |less Most of us explorers here use the command line as well as the GUI as often it gives more meaningful results quickly.Have fun exploring! Edited October 3, 2010 by sunrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Maybe do a: whereis chromium-browserThat did it - thanks!chip@localhost ~]$ whereis chromium-browserchromium-browser: /usr/bin/chromium-browser /usr/lib/chromium-browser /usr/share/man/man1/chromium-browser.1.bz2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Thanks for the tips - they (of course) worked like a charm! I'm not kidding myself about understanding what's going on yet, but I'm beginning to understand how to find out. Most of us explorers here use the command line as well as the GUI as often it gives more meaningful results quickly.Have fun exploring! I'm an old DOS guy (actually I'd been playing with computers for six or seven years when DOS came out in 1981) so I'm really comfortable with the command line stuff. Even in Windows, there are a number of things which work better in the command line than they do in the GUI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Now I can't help but wonder why Firefox is in one place, GIMP is in four places...Well, Firefox & its "Mozilla siblings" do have a lot in common, so:urmas@hyrysysy:~$ whereis mozillamozilla: /usr/lib/mozilla /usr/share/mozilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Oh, and... here is the bible:Filesystem Hierarchy Standard /usr/bin : This is the primary directory of executable commands on the system./usr/lib : includes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that are not intended to be executed directly by users or shell scripts. Applications may use a single subdirectory under /usr/lib. If an application uses a subdirectory, all architecture-dependent data exclusively used by the application must be placed within that subdirectory. /usr/share : is for all read-only architecture independent data files. This hierarchy is intended to be shareable among all architecture platforms of a given OS; thus, for example, a site with i386, Alpha, and PPC platforms might maintain a single /usr/share directory that is centrally-mounted. Note, however, that /usr/share is generally not intended to be shared by different OSes or by different releases of the same OS.Any program or package which contains or requires data that doesn't need to be modified should store that data in /usr/share (or /usr/local/share, if installed locally). It is recommended that a subdirectory be used in /usr/share for this purpose.Game data stored in /usr/share/games must be purely static data. Any modifiable files, such as score files, game play logs, and so forth, should be placed in /var/games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I must be weirder than the average person. That's EXACTLY the sort of thing I enjoy reading - thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I must be weirder than the average person.No comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 It is everyone else who is weird. Long live the Geeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 It is everyone else who is weird. Long live the Geeks I knew it couldn't be me that was weird. Never thought anyone else realized it.With the crazy ride technology is, the geeks rule the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I knew it couldn't be me that was weird. Never thought anyone else realized it.With the crazy ride technology is, the geeks rule the world.Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I don't rule the world, just my little piece of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Nice!!! 53 posts on your Welcome thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 It's mostly you guys; only 22 of them are mine. Thanks for all the help!Not to mention all the cool reading material! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 No problem, like I said, we like helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Golden Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Nice!!! 53 posts on your Welcome thread 54, welcome Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I'm afraid I'm just one of those guys who keeps on chattering. If conversations go on in other threads, I'll reply there too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I'm gathering that Gnome is the usual GUI of choice here?There's at least one person here (me) who can't seem to make up his mind...Got GNOME, KDE 3.5, KDE4, Xfce, LXDE, Openbox, and Fluxbox all installed here -- for the most part, at least a couple of DEs and/or WMs to choose from on each distro. I just like a change of scenery every few days, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDoc Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I like a change of scenery too, but so often. I change my desktop once or twice a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Yeah, I'm kinda mixed up, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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