saturnian Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Maybe I'm weird, but I've never had a problem at the Ubuntu forums.Same here, never had any problems with the Ubuntu forums. The Debian forums, on the other hand... I finally quit going over there. Lots of great info there, so I'll visit when I need to search for info, but too much Ubuntu-bashing, newbie-bashing, foul language, and insulting going on for my tastes.Mepis forums, GREAT! ATL, GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Mepis forums, GREAT! ATL, GREAT!So right! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 @ Barry... excellent points. It feels a lot different wearing the other person's shoes, huh? @ Greg... hee-hee-hee. I knew you'd show up!@ Saturnian & Amenditman... yup, Ubuntu and Mepis forums okee-dokee for me, too. ATL? Never heard of it? Atlanta International Airport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichase Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Great point Barry. From the get-go, I never felt that any dev of any distro who is not making a dime from their time needs to set up their distro based on those who have a twisted sense of entitlement. Short and sweet. If you don't like a distro hit the Distro Watch website and pick another. If none of them do what you want them to do....Be like Jeff.....get educated and CREATE YOUR OWN!!!!All the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryB Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Eric- I guess it could be worse...they could have been in the same room...but somehow I tend to think the interaction would have had a differnt outcome.......well maybe not I can see the by line..Tonight on smackdown...Tux Wars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Tonight on smackdown...Tux Wars! That is hilarious!!!!! Good one Barry!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 @Eric - Oh, yeah, I forgot that around here folks write "BATL." But when I'm talking about it elsewhere, I just write "the All Things Linux forums," so that came out of habit. No offense to Bruno! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 @Eric - Oh, yeah, I forgot that around here folks write "BATL." But when I'm talking about it elsewhere, I just write "the All Things Linux forums," so that came out of habit. No offense to Bruno!Well it was changed in memory of Bruno. Do not feel bad, I still type ATL sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggdog Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Well I almost did not post this as it will probably turn some users away from Arch. This is from Archlinux's lead Dev:http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/pac...ary/012483.html I can kinda see Allen's point. Crazy I know.He is not an employee, the owner of a company selling something, or any other person of commercial responsibility. He can't even be considered a volunteer.If Allan McRae is a "lead dev", and it sounds like he does have a standing role in Arch's development, I would have to think that he's a volunteer.I'm playing devils advocate for a second. While I don't agree with how they handle package signing...I can't think of a time Arch ever claimed to be, anything other than what it was. I have never read "welcome new explorers" on their web sites. They just seem to be the more elite of the elite...and have made no claim to be other than that.I think you're right in a lot of ways, Barry. But perversely, they have some of the best, and most accessible, documentation, of any Linux distribution -- some of it really transcends even being attached to any one distro. I think that someone who stumbles upon the Arch Linux Handbook (the most elegantly printed and bound publication of its type that I know of) would be justified in assuming that the developers welcomed people to try their distribution. There really are some mixed messages here.I don't have the 2nd edition; does anybody know if there are any references to security problems with pacman anywhere in it? (I studied the 1st edition fairly closely and never saw anything like that.) Or is this something you need to go look for and need to know where to look? The blogger Ignorant Guru (Iggy?) also asserts that discussion of this issue is discouraged, suppressed, and/or sent to a lockbox on their forums. Since it seems that everybody on BATL feels fear and loathing about the Arch forums, I guess that claim can't be verified here. I never felt that any dev of any distro who is not making a dime from their time needs to set up their distro based on those who have a twisted sense of entitlement.If you're referring to Ignorant Guru, I really didn't see any sense of entitlement. It wasn't exactly "hey n*ggaz i cant run Exel on yr POS distro". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 I wonder what Aaron Griffin thinks of all this.https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchLinux:AboutAnd Eddy... you are absolutely spot on about the Arch documentation. I've said for a long while now that I'm extremely impressed with it. I've never seen the book you're talking about, but I'd sure like to have a copy. Another distro with impressive documentation and community is Sidux/Aptosid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 And Eddy... you are absolutely spot on about the Arch documentation. I've said for a long while now that I'm extremely impressed with it. I've never seen the book you're talking about, but I'd sure like to have a copy. Another distro with impressive documentation and community is Sidux/Aptosid. Yes, Arch documentation does seem quite comprehensive.The aptosid manual is great for concise info on setup, and the wiki is good. The forums are very helpful but, like Arch and Debian forums, it helps to ask the right questions and try to help yourself first. They are fairly low traffic but I suspect, like me, is users don't have many problems in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I actually have a copy of the Archlinux handbook although it is only Revision 1: I did not realize there is a Revision 2. I think I may buy a copy next payday since it is only $12.34 : https://www.createspace.com/3482247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryB Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 @Eggdog...yeah, that mixed message thing is part of the issue. But, don't you have to search an read the wiki , and read the book to come to that justification level( which is what they say you should do first in their forums?) Is it a mixed message or some have the background to be more capable of understanding their message ? ( just a thought...but I would think it varies depending on the reader).I don't know if I was right or wrong, wasn't trying to be either...I just wonder how these things come across in the minds of the Devs(and not just Arch Devs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Josh,The handbook is about $12 and change (total - S/H and all) from Amazon --> http://www.amazon.com/Arch-Linux-Handbook-...6257&sr=8-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Josh,The handbook is about $12 and change (total - S/H and all) from Amazon --> http://www.amazon.com/Arch-Linux-Handbook-...6257&sr=8-1 Oh, thanks Eric. Will be ordering next Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 The cover of the new edition is a bit disturbing. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xL%2BX71ssL.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 The cover of the new edition is a bit disturbing. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xL%2BX71ssL.jpg I think it is relevant. "Don't Panic" was the codename for the snapshot: 2007.08.1 That and with some caffeine(coffee) and with the right tools(wire cutters/wiki), anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamicota Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Josh Love the way you see the "ALLEGORICAL" meaning of the imageCheers for yearsColin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) I think it is relevant. "Don't Panic" was the codename for the snapshot: 2007.08.1 That and with some caffeine(coffee) and with the right tools(wire cutters/wiki), anything is possible.Hang on to your first copy of the book as it is selling at 3 times the price of the new one http://www.amazon.com/Arch-Linux-Handbook-.../ref=pd_sim_b_1The cover on version two is neat Would version two be a good buy for a freshman to Arch like me as I have already installed Arch albeit in a very slim fashion and with a great deal more to do to make it a fully fleshed out install. Edited March 3, 2011 by abarbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Hang on to your first copy of the book as it is selling at 3 times the price of the new one http://www.amazon.com/Arch-Linux-Handbook-.../ref=pd_sim_b_1The cover on version two is neat Would version two be a good buy for a freshman to Arch like me as I have already installed Arch albeit in a very slim fashion and with a great deal more to do to make it a fully fleshed out install. Well the book is basically just the wiki in print with a few additions. It would be a good buy for any Linux user considering that the Wiki is such a good resource.Don't worry I will be keeping my copy of the first edition as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Well the book is basically just the wiki in print with a few additions. It would be a good buy for any Linux user considering that the Wiki is such a good resource.Don't worry I will be keeping my copy of the first edition as well.Ta was wondering what was in it.Hmm it was first published in Oct 2010 so its five months out of date the speed that Arch evolves makes me wonder if I should part with me £7.68 + free postage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Ta was wondering what was in it.Hmm it was first published in Oct 2010 so its five months out of date the speed that Arch evolves makes me wonder if I should part with me £7.68 + free postage Well the majority of the wiki information still applies even with new packages. Most of the methods to set up window managers and other information are still valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Well the majority of the wiki information still applies even with new packages. Most of the methods to set up window managers and other information are still valid.Gotcha ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Golden Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Josh Love the way you see the "ALLEGORICAL" meaning of the imageCheers for yearsColin Aw it's just road flares."Don't Panic" eh, do you know where your towel is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Here in hurricane central, I always tell folks "don't panic before it's time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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securitybreach Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Aw it's just road flares."Don't Panic" eh, do you know where your towel is?I love the radio show and the book. although I am not crazy about the movie."The Answer to the Great Question... Of Life, the Universe and Everything... Is... Forty-two,' said Deep Thought, with infinite majesty and calm."Heheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Golden Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I love the radio show and the book. although I am not crazy about the movie.HehehYeah, Doug Adams was a genius.There was a BBC TV series as well.http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy entry for Earth was 2 words "Mostly Harmless". LOL I got a few chuckles from the movie.I thought Mos Def made a creditable Ford Prefect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Yeah, Doug Adams was a genius.There was a BBC TV series as well.http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy entry for Earth was 2 words "Mostly Harmless". LOL I got a few chuckles from the movie.I thought Mos Def made a creditable Ford Prefect.For me the original radio series was the best. The BBC tv series was darn good. The americanised lets change stuff and try to make as much money as we can version was to my mind pants. If you saw it with no pre knowledge I guess it was mildly amusing.(pretty good really)http://www.h2g2movie.com/en_index.php?p=en_h2g2_notionsBut "the hitchhiker's to the galaxy" is not just a radio series (even if it's one of the best you'll ever hear). It's also five books written by Douglas, a text based computer game from 1982, an official towel, a six part tv series from the BBC, some DC comics, some successfull LPs, several plays, an illustrated book, a still very active fan community, and soon a movie!! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371724/StorylineEveryone has bad mornings. You wake up late, you stub your toe, you burn the toast...but for a man named Arthur Dent, this goes far beyond a bad day. When he learns that a friend of his is actually an alien with advanced knowledge of Earth's impending destruction, he is transported off the Earth seconds before it is exploded to make way for a new hyperspace motorway. And as if that's not enough, throw in being wanted by the police, Earth II, an insane electronic encyclopedia, no tea whatsoever, a chronically depressed robot and the search for the meaning of life, and you've got the greatest adventure off Earth. Written by radioactive http://imgur.com/FHWsx Edited March 4, 2011 by abarbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I agree the original radio series was the best. I may start listening to the series again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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