New Release: PCLinuxOS Preview 4

[teacher]

Hmmmm. I happen to have it open on one of the computers here. I guess I need to go check it out.

[Owyn]

Hi all:Could you run "glxgears -info" on your test sytems from the livecd (ie. not hd install unless you have fixed it as previously described). Need to know the info plus the first 5 or so test results. Also need to know if the results are consistent with any prior tests you have done on other distros. If you don't have prior results then Knoppix 3.3 would be the best comparator.Tx all in advance.

[Bruno]

Hi OwynThis is not from Uranus ( the test system with the HD install ) but from Jupiter, that has the nVidia card:

[demo@jupiter demo]$ glxgears -infoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER   = GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!GL_VERSION    = 1.4.0 NVIDIA 44.96GL_VENDOR     = NVIDIA CorporationGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias2618 frames in 5.0 seconds = 523.600 FPS2139 frames in 5.0 seconds = 427.800 FPS2120 frames in 5.0 seconds = 424.000 FPS2180 frames in 5.0 seconds = 436.000 FPS2100 frames in 5.0 seconds = 420.000 FPS2120 frames in 5.0 seconds = 424.000 FPS

You want me to post the ones from Uranus ( from CD ) too ? Bruno

[Owyn]

You want me to post the ones from Uranus ( from CD ) too ?

If you would, there have been some reports of 3D problems and I am trying to get as wide a sample as possible.

[Bruno]

Here you go Owyn:

[demo@uranus demo]$ glxgears -infoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER   = Mesa GLX IndirectGL_VERSION    = 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4GL_VENDOR     = Mesa project: www.mesa3d.orgGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias430 frames in 5.0 seconds = 86.000 FPS508 frames in 5.0 seconds = 101.600 FPS400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 80.000 FPS480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.000 FPS400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 80.000 FPS

NOTE: no 3d card ! Bruno

[quint]

Here are the results from the "LiveCD:

[demo@localhost demo]$ glxgears -infoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER = GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!GL_VERSION    = 1.4.0 NVIDIA 44.96GL_VENDOR  = NVIDIA CorporationGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias4105 frames in 5.0 seconds = 821.000 FPS3920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 784.000 FPS5156 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1031.200 FPS4022 frames in 5.0 seconds = 804.400 FPS3942 frames in 5.0 seconds = 788.400 FPS

Will go to the hdinstall now, and check.

[ross549]

[demo@localhost demo]$ glxgears -infoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER   = Mesa GLX IndirectGL_VERSION    = 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4GL_VENDOR     = Mesa project: www.mesa3d.orgGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias508 frames in 5.0 seconds = 101.600 FPS560 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.000 FPS480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.000 FPS480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.000 FPS480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.000 FPS560 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.000 FPS480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.000 FPS480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.000 FPS

Matrox G400 DualHead videocard w/ 32MB RAM

[quint]

Well, I don't see much of a difference...(this, from the "hdinstall"):

[quint@localhost quint]$ glxgears -infoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER = GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!GL_VERSION    = 1.4.0 NVIDIA 44.96GL_VENDOR  = NVIDIA CorporationGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias4216 frames in 5.0 seconds = 843.200 FPS4312 frames in 5.0 seconds = 862.400 FPS4395 frames in 5.0 seconds = 879.000 FPS4399 frames in 5.0 seconds = 879.800 FPS4284 frames in 5.0 seconds = 856.800 FPS4276 frames in 5.0 seconds = 855.200 FPS

Hope this helps, and please could you explain what is not correct? Thanks.

[Bruno]

Mine compare more or less with the "normal Mandrake values" only on Madrake this line is missing:

Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".

Bruno

[Owyn]

Tx Bruno/Quint/AdamQuint, The only big difference between the HD and CD test should be the stability of the results. The problems that have been reported are either gears not visible or slow compared to other distros.I am digging back into the old glxgears thread to pull out some comparative results.

[Owyn]

Mine compaire more or less with the "normal Mandrake values" only on Madrake this line is missing:

Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".

Bruno

Tx. And that is another of the problems. But it applies to all cards.

[quint]

Thanks for explaining, Owyn...and here's the Knoppix 3.3 results (disappointing ):

quint@:~$ glxgears -infoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER = Mesa GLX IndirectGL_VERSION    = 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4GL_VENDOR  = Mesa project: www.mesa3d.orgGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias1393 frames in 5.0 seconds = 278.600 FPS1400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 280.000 FPS1400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 280.000 FPS1300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 260.000 FPS1400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 280.000 FPS1300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 260.000 FPS

Guess I'll have to install the nVidia driver in Knoppix, and re-test.

[havnblast]

Just curious if anyone has tried this with PPPOE, not gonna download it again if it don't work - got another person that maybe interested in this distro too, but they have PPPOE too.

[Owyn]

Let you know for sure tomorrow Kelly. Should be working now.

[havnblast]

Great - Thanks Owyn, much appreciated

[kamicota]

OOOPS KellyThink I have PPPOE with Suse 8.2 and am downloading it nowOH Boy what have I let myself in for here Colin

[Rons]

Hi OwynHere you go:[root@localhost root]# glxgears -infoXlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".GL_RENDERER = Mesa GLX IndirectGL_VERSION = 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4GL_VENDOR = Mesa project: www.mesa3d.orgGL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias599 frames in 5.0 seconds = 119.800 FPS640 frames in 5.0 seconds = 128.000 FPS560 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.000 FPS560 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.000 FPS560 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.000 FPS560 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.000 FPSXIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 7956 requests (7600 known processed) with 0 events remaining.[root@localhost root]#

[Bruno]

Hi OwynHere is a little report about my Pc-total-los today . . . . I thought let's do the install as you discribed a few posts back, with the “mv etc etc.old†and ending with the cp of fstab . . . It worked ! First time ! But:1) When adding the user bruno, bruno had no sound, demo and root had, but I had none . . . . I solved this problem:# chown bruno /dev/sound/dspBecause I saw that the owner of dsp was “demoâ€2) Running glxgears -info gave me this message:

Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual

It did give me that same message on the previous install too, and that was also the reason why I tried the install as you and Texstar recommended.3) I ran the updates . . . . did them all . . . . and it did something funny to my system: all executables were gone . . . . I could not give any command anymore, rebooted and was left at the prompt logged in as root, and even the startx command was not known anymore . . . LOL so there I did the install again . . . . smooth as a baby, and really clever with the /etc and /etc.old . . .changed the root password again and made the new user with my own password . . . . but am not updating anymore. :o4) I added Epiphany ( Galeon ) from the “mainâ€-source . . . so much nicer then the other browsers . . . ;)5) I had FUN !! Bruno

[Owyn]

This message coming via PCLos pppoe.No problems. Configuration->MCC->Network & Internet->DrakConnect.In DrakConnect:Launch Wizard->Use Autodetect->ADSL Connection->Use pppoeThen filled in correct Account Login & Account Password.Finished the wizard and everything was golden.

[Owyn]

Here is a little report about my Pc-total-los today . . . . I thought let's do the install as you discribed a few posts back, with the “mv etc etc.old†and ending with the cp of fstab . . . It worked ! First time ! But:

Good. I read that as the instructions work to get the HD install working as well as the livecd. Not good enough but demo and root work the same from CD and HD. Correct?

1) When adding the user bruno, bruno had no sound, demo and root had, but I had none . .  . . I solved this problem:# chown bruno /dev/sound/dspBecause I saw that the owner of dsp was “demoâ€

Better solution is probably to chown root and chmod 555

2) Running glxgears -info gave me this message:

Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual

It did give me that same message on the previous install too, and that was also the reason why I tried the install as you and Texstar recommended.

Failing on HD. Working on CD. Correct?

3) I ran the updates . . . . did them all . . . . and it did something funny to my system: all executables were gone  . . . . I could not give any command anymore, rebooted and was left at the prompt logged in as root, and even the startx command was not known anymore . . . LOL so there I did the install again . . . . smooth as a baby, and really clever with the /etc and /etc.old . . .changed the root password again and made the new user with my own password . . . . but am not updating anymore.

Confused. Not sure what you are telling me here...............Found note from Texstar to NOT install kde updates.

4) I added Epiphany ( Galeon ) from the  “mainâ€-source . . . so much nicer then the other browsers . . . ;)5) I had FUN !!

So installing additional packages worked but the updates caused problems. Correct?

[Bruno]

Good. I read that as the instructions work to get the HD install working as well as the livecd. Not good enough but demo and root work the same from CD and HD. Correct?

Yep . . . your addition for fstab is needed though !

Better solution is probably to chown root and chmod 555

You´re right ! Was too quick with my solution, but needed sound badly !

Failing on HD. Working on CD. Correct?

Yes, on my first install and the install following the guidelines.

Found note from Texstar to NOT install kde updates.

Too late . . . . but let it be a warning to others !

So installing additional packages worked but the updates caused problems. Correct?

Correct ! From the "main" source that is . . . . I vaguely remember reading something about one source not working ( and now stay away from the update source as well )Love this testing ! Bruno

[Owyn]

Tx Bruno:Recapping for myself and others:1)The modified install procedure I posted works. (almost)PS: I am the only one to blame for errors in the kluge. Tex had nothing to do with it. The hd-install procedures also came from Jaco upstream in mklivecd. He was also the one who discovered that etc was being copied from the wrong source. Allready fixed in CVS for next release.2)The alsa devices are being created with the wrong ownership and permissions.3)Definitely problems if KDE updates are applied. Trashes hd install.4)Software update infrastructure does work, but, still problems with contribs. contribs problems need to be fixed by Mandrake and are outside of Tex's control.5)Unusual problem on your system with glxgears from HD. Runs same from HD/CD for Quint and myself.???Does the problem occur from root/demo or just from bruno.

[Bruno]

Hi Oqyn

PS: I am the only one to blame for errors in the kluge.

Please Owyn, we have no wish to look for who´s to blame . . it´s a beta/RC . . . NO bugs means NO fun !2, 3, 4 = 100% correct.5 = Yes the same results for root and demo . . . . on the old install and on the 2 new ones ( one trashed by updates and one still running ) This is why I tried the new install procedure in the first place, because for the rest the old install was running fine . . . . . I saw that Quint had no problems running it from HD so I thought: let´s go for it ! Bruno

[Owyn]

New question to all.Was the sound installed from the LiveCd alsa or OSS.Type "sounchk.sh" in a console if you are not sure.

[Owyn]

Compared /dev/sound/* on Mdk92 and PCLos.On my desktop system ls -la /dev/sound showed Owner=owyn Group=audio Perm=crwBasically the same as PCLos: Owner=demo Group=audio Perm=crwPrevious "fix" should be:$ su# cd /dev/sound# chmod 666 *Or add new user to Audio group. eg.$ su# addgroup owyn audioNeed to test new user on Mdk92 to see if "problem" of no audio for additional user also occurs on Mdk92.......Later. Confirmed same problem occurs in Mdk92. Recommended solution is to add new user to audio group.

[Bruno]

You mean I have to run it from CD again ? . . . :(This is from the HD:

Checking if Alsa service configuredalsa            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off

Give me a minute. Bruno

[Bruno]

Owyn, same results from CD:

Checking if Alsa service configuredalsa            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off

BrunoPS: Both are from "Uranus"

[Owyn]

Tx. It should be unless you had run draksound on the hd install.Strange. Something in hwdetect (maybe upstream at Mandrake). Selection of OSS or Alsa seems to be arbritary.

[Bruno]

Noticed an a few Mandrake installs during the years that it does not always pick the best driver for Alsa and does set up Oss in that case . . . . changing the driver would set up Alsa support in those cases . . . . So I think this is typically Mandrake. Bruno

[Rons]

Hi Owyn,Preview #4Alsa - same as Bruno'sNo soundSo I popped back in Preview #3 and sound works. Hope this helps.