Prelude76 Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 to clarify, i was simply saying some of these P2P, such as Bit Torrent and eMule are somewhat tricky to set up, so i was just offering a hand without boring everyone else with mundane details. no point using it to get legal Linux ISOs or Mozilla releases (their FTP servers were flooded) if all you get is 4kb/s downloads. i was just offering to show how to speed them up if someone was interested, which is what this whole thread was about (bit torrent is too slow, how does it work?)sometimes, its hard to 'walk' the fine line. P2P is not illegal. showing someone how to 'tweak' settings in a P2P program is not illegal either. just like talking about guns and teaching someone how to use it does not mean they are criminals. we are all grown ups here and can make our own decisions how to use P2P. if you're **** bent on ripping off hard-working programmers, you probably already are doing it and my post wont make you into a criminal, but if you're desperatly trying to get thru flooded FTPs for a legal program, it is a viable solution (i got both Mozilla Firebird 0.7 and Thunderbird 0.3 downloaded thru P2P last night while everyone else just complained they couldnt get thru) Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 Absolutely Prelude! Well said.Like I mentioned, my message was not specifically for those who had already posted. It was simply a reminder to everyone whether they have posted before and to those who might fall up on this very interesting Topic in the future.I am sure you all know that folks get sued left and right for things that would have been considered free speech information not so very long ago and now unfortunately falls in other areas.Personally I think this is a great subject. And look forward to further discussion. Quote
Prelude76 Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 I am sure you all know that folks get sued left and right for things that would have been considered free speech information not so very long ago and now unfortunately falls in other areas.like that guy telling people to press "SHIFT" to bypass copy protected music CDs. oh oh, i said too much! must hide Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 LOL! Nudge, Nudge, say no more... (I just love Monty Python ) Quote
havnblast Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 ugh, this 'walk' the fine line is getting to be a needle thread thick. P2P is not evil. showing someone how to 'tweak' settings in a P2P program is not evil either. just like talking about guns and teaching someone how to use it does not mean they are criminals, does it? what you choose to do with it is your problem, its on your concience. we are all grown ups here and we know what its 'major' purpose is, but i'm trying to show there are good points to this technology and no matter how much you hate it, its here to stay.Amen - overly worried - nothing can be done to this site for discussing it, now if we were hosting files and providing links to illegal software than we would be in trouble. Everytime we talk about P2P we are always getting lectured about it, but yet people can link and talk about the Bart PE program or whatever it is call and that is a controversial program, but nothing gets said about that.P2P is not illegal - plain and simple - owning P2P software is not illegal - downloading P2P software is not illegal. What people do with it is their business, speeding in a car is illegal also and how many millions do that? It's getting old everytime P2P is mentioned people are jumping up and warning us about the topic, but yet other controversial subjects come and go and nothing is said. It's just like anything else in life - everything can be used in an illegal way and it's sad that this P2P discussion always sets off warnings.Next we won't be able to discuss Satellight tv, because people steal that signal. What about broadband and wireless? People are uncapping modems and tapping into wireless broadband all the time. Technology is technology and if we have to limit our discussion to strictly legal topics than your killing off everything. No matter what topic gets started there is away to link to something illegal.Nobody here is linking, hosting or helping people get illegal files in conjuction with Scot and that is all that has to worried about. The paranoia has to stop about P2P. *Note:If you disagree with above said than please disregard this is simply my opinion and observation. Quote
Prelude76 Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 People are uncapping modems and tapping into wireless broadband all the time.woah, you can uncap modems and tap into wireless broadband?oh oh, please do tell me more. my modem has a silly 1.5mb/s cap. Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 MikeYou´re not the only one that is unhappy with the bittorrent download Mandrake is offering . . . just read the +372 reactions on the club site . . . . people are getting "4 kb down and 15 kb UP on a 1500 DSL" . . . . with an estimate of 200 hours download . . . . . . . like I said before: read my lips, No Torrent for me ! BrunoIs that all the time? When I got a program from a BitTorrent source it did quite well from a link on a webpage. Are the links not true BitTorrent sources? Quote
Prelude76 Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 Took a look and checked setup for LinkSys. I will pass thanks, I just don't like opening ports for any reason.i hear you on that, Owyn. Technically, you could run eMule without opening up those ports, but you will have a "LowID". LowID can still connect to HighID users, but LowID cannot hook up with another LowID person. Basically, it limits the number of users you can connect to, but otherwise, it does work.If you do open the port on Linksys (as i have done), i recommend following it up with a software firewall. as long you set only that particular port to be open and to be only used by eMule, it's still technically a sealed environment. but anti-virus running is highly recommended. still, its better than that virus worm-hole called Kazaa. At least on emule, each file has a Hash ID that cannot be duplicated, so if someone posts a valid Hash ID of a Mandrake ISO, you know it's a legit check-sum checked copy. (woah, say that last line 10 times fast! )p.s. - for those unfamiliar, stay away from edonkey! its a spyware adware client, wheres emule is an Open Source project. just to clarify, in case you thought a Donkey is the same as a Mule. Can someone explain what Bit Torrent is though? I hear more and more about it. Does it connect to a network, or is it direct-connect to others that have the same file? I heard that its only good for recent files, that once everyone is done downloading, all sources dry up and link goes dead. am i close? Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 Below find the Introduction to BitTorrent on the official BitTorrent site:http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduction.htmlI saw it explained on TechTV by Chris DeBona of Damage Studios, formerly of OSDN. So there is an article there on it as well. Quote
mike180 Posted October 17, 2003 Author Posted October 17, 2003 LilBambi,I; totally, understand. At my age; only legal porn has my attention and port sharing through hardware and software firewalls is not a problem; when, using an active virus scanner on everthing comming through . Who said that ? mike180 Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 LOL! I hear ya Mike! BTW: Here's something about BitTorrent that's cool: BitTorrent does cryptographic hashing (SHA1) of all data. When you see "Download succeeded!" you can be sure that BitTorrent has already verified the integrity of the data. The integrity and authenticity of a BitTorrent download is as good as the original request to the tracker. Checking the MD5/CRC32/other hash of a file downloaded via BitTorrent is redundant.Found it here:http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/FAQ.html Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 Here's an article that was done January 2002 on the New Scientist site, describing a couple different 'swarm' type projects in the works at that time, one that was mentioned in the article was BitTorrent.Title of the article:Data "swarms" could rescue overloaded web sites Another system that works along very similar principles is Bit Torrent, developed by US programmer Bram Cohen. He told New Scientist: "When under low load, a web site which serves large files using BitTorrent will behave much like an http server, since it's doing most of the serving itself, but under very high load it seamlessly shifts to most of the upload burden being borne by downloaders."I didn't realize it had been around that long. Quote
havnblast Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 XMule is available for linux and you can run emule in windows and than no matter what operating system your in you can resume with either program. Just point the path of Xmule to your emule installation shared and download paths. Works nice when dual booting Quote
mike180 Posted October 17, 2003 Author Posted October 17, 2003 dl update: a: mandy 1: di=5KiB/s 2: up=6KiB/s 3: t=95hrs 46min b: Winxp 1: dl=1kB/s But did reach 21kB/s. for less than 1min . 2: up=6kB/s 3: t=50hrs 35min Down time due to firmware upgrade=1.5hrs (I read to do this to improve connection ). Cannot remember the source of this information. But, Thanks alot .[(too funny :'( )]. mike180By the way. Would someone tell the torrent users to restart or leave torrent running after downloading. It sure would help the rest of us!!!!!! Quote
mike180 Posted October 17, 2003 Author Posted October 17, 2003 UPDATE Sometime in the middle of the morning(I quit babysitting the download and slept for 4Hrs) WinXP blue screened and did a memory dump. dl=50% and speed=65kB/s and time=7Hrs 46Min mike180 Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 18, 2003 Posted October 18, 2003 That's a shame about the blue screen...but those timings are pretty darn good at the end. Quote
mike180 Posted October 19, 2003 Author Posted October 19, 2003 Update!!dl=93%time=22mindl kB/s=114upload=12kBsRouter died after firmware update . No longer have an internet gateway. But, network does, still, run. I will have to make my primary computer into a server, and then connect to the router and, I guess install ICS. . I'm not real sure. . mike180 Quote
mike180 Posted October 19, 2003 Author Posted October 19, 2003 Sat Oct 18 11:05pm SUCCESS Upload=16kBsTime to burn then reconnect to bittorrent and share the wealth! mike180 Quote
mike180 Posted October 19, 2003 Author Posted October 19, 2003 Router fixed. My fault, downloaded wrong firmware.This is being posted from Mandrake 9.2 and very stable. Did a clean install and formatted everything except home. All My file are there and everything looks GOOD!!!!!!! This smilie face is now lost.mike180 Quote
Bruno Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 Congrats Mike . . . Looks like you´re the first one with Mandrake 9.2 on your system !! Bruno Quote
mike180 Posted October 19, 2003 Author Posted October 19, 2003 My miss post of last night was from 9.2 and I wish I had investageted futher befor posting. Thank you Bruno for fixing that for me.mike180 Quote
teacher Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 Outstanding Mike!The Mandrake 9.2 Fan Club is now in session. How is it different from the RCs? Or did you run them? Quote
mike180 Posted October 19, 2003 Author Posted October 19, 2003 I'm sorry teacher but after downloading them I was out of cd/r so I never ran them. But when 9.2 came out I bought a new package(of 50) cd/r's.But it seems really stable with mozilla 1.4, kwrite and a terminal open getting ready to install Firebird and Thunderbird now.Thank all for the congrat's. It only took 2 1/2 days with BitTorrent which I left running overnight for others.mike180 Quote
Stryder Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 I admire your patience Mike. I gave up when my time remaining got up to 120 hours.....after 2 hours of downloading at 3 and 4 k. This bit torrent scheme is a joke in my opinion. I thought by paying to be a club member and showing support for the company I would be better rewarded than this. I also filled out the form for the fttp download but have not heard anything back on that either. It seems to me that those of us that paid to be a member are really no more important to Mandrake than the people who never spend a dime on releases or a membership and just download the free ISOs. Live and learn I guess. Quote
mike180 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Posted October 22, 2003 Stryder,After waiting for so long the download really picked up at the end. Reaching 50% seemed like some one: probably Mandrake; started serving up the torrent files and the download picked up. mike180 Quote
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