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That 'Woo Woo' Subject... Slow Disclosure... 2019 Was 'The Year'

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Cluttermagnet

Hi, All-

Aw c'mon, you know exactly what I mean. UFO's and space aliens.
So, matey- are ye' a believer yet? If you're more comfortable we
can call it 'UAP' (unexplained aerial phenomena). That's the latest
buzz-acronym.

In all seriousness, yours truly certainly is! And Clutter has never even
seen one. You guys want to talk about this? Or are ye' still a bit shy?
There has been a very effective obfuscation and ridicule program
going on for decades that has been surprisingly effective at obstructing,
but that evil spell is fast wearing off...

My eyes have been opened the past few years in particular,
though my hunches in the area hail back to my teen years.
2019 was a signal year in this area. The cat is out of the bag...

Clutter

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V.T. Eric Layton

I was a big researcher into all things UFO when I was a wee lad and young adult. However, as I aged and became wiser in the way of Physics, I had to come to the conclusion that UFOs may be unidentifiable, but they are not aliens from other worlds within this known Universe.


Why not, you ask? Well, basically because the distances between our world and others are so unimaginably vast that there is just no way, working with the known laws of Physics, that any beings could travel to our planet for a visit unless they spend many generations (100s of them or more) on self-sustaining star ships that travel at least 75% the speed of light (168K miles/second).

 

I'd be more inclined to believe that if there are any "alien" visitors, such as those flying the object in the tic-tac video, then they are most likely us from the future and have learned how to time-travel or multi-universal travel. Believe it or not, time travel or travel between multi-verses is a more reasonable theory than is faster-than-light travel.

 

But hey... I'm a couple BSes, a Masters, and a PhD short on my Physics education, so...

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ebrke

My skepticism is rooted in the fact that we're in such a backwater, on the outer edges of a fairly large galaxy, way off the beaten track for any travelers. I also tend to think that the obstacles to a civilization developing to the point of viable interstellar travel are so great that there probably aren't many around. The highly unlikely things that need to happen for life even to begin, let alone thrive for millennia, make me feel that we're probably pretty much alone.

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2 hours ago, ebrke said:

My skepticism is rooted in the fact that we're in such a backwater, on the outer edges of a fairly large galaxy, way off the beaten track for any travelers.

 

Hopefully that makes us safe from being vaporised to make way for a hyperspace bypass.

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V.T. Eric Layton

Oh, I don't for a minute believe we are alone in this Universe. The odds against that are truly astronomical (punny, huh?). Even if the odds of life developing on a planet are as ridiculously high as science seems to think they were here on this rock, the just absolutely overwhelming number of star systems and habitable planets in this universe just totally wipe out the high odds argument for development of life elsewhere.

 

There are approximately 100 BILLION stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone. There are between 100 Billion and 200 Billion galaxies in the observable (by us) universe. You can do the math if you'd like. ;) Somewhere in this vastness, there is life of some sort... simple bacteria up to and including (possibly highly) intelligent life. We'll never meet them, though, because of the distances that separate us.

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V.T. Eric Layton
56 minutes ago, sunrat said:

Hopefully that makes us safe from being vaporised to make way for a hyperspace bypass.

 

Oh, that's not what you're going to need to be worrying about. This is:

 

 

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Cluttermagnet

Yep. Oh how well I remember that episode, "To Serve Man". Chilling...

 

OK, so I've got mostly skeptics here. No problemo. Don't know how much

time and effort I will be able to invest in this. There has been so much

denial for so very, very long that getting the bulk of humanity on

board with this reality is going to be similar to pulling teeth.

 

Further, trying to get folks to see more clearly what the epic events

recorded in human history and pre-history really were is going to

stomp all over religious sensibilities. I get that.

 

What makes the 2017-2019 period particularly tantalizing is that

we are finally seeing the first fits and starts of something that has

been repressed to the max for at least the past 70 years or more.

Things are starting to leak out. One prominent 'UFO researcher'

Richard Dolan has characterized the process as 'slow disclosure'.

 

BTW if you have a few spare minutes from worrying about the

building corona virus epidemic worldwide- it's going to be a big

event with a lot of deaths- Richard Dolan would provide you

with some enlightening food for thought. He is a legitimate

scholar who trained as a historian, but his interests were

piqued by the UFO phenomenon over 25 years ago. I find him

and his charming wife Tracey quite captivating and I've learned

a lot from them. He takes an evidence based approach- refreshing!

And there is a good bit of evidence out there, guys, it's just been

well suppressed up to now. Dolan's interesting/scholarly talks

are all over YouTube, many of them, in bite size 30-60+ minute

chunks. There are numerous other 'UFO writers' I wouldn't want to

be within miles of- they are pretty obviously frauds. Yep, Dolan

is a good place to start because he will get you thinking and

won't insult your intelligence with wild-eyed, totally unprovable

cr*p.

 

It seems many of you have been exposed to the 'TicTac'

US Navy footage. That is real. The Navy has gone on record

publicly that the TicTac is 'not one of ours' and that the

footage is legitimate. They grumbled a little about its release

but there it is in all its glory, out in the public record now.

 

Even more fascinating, I think, is the leaking of the 'Wilson

paper'. Go google that one. It confirms, according to a

high ranking Naval officer, pretty much all the woo woo

stuff that is out there- to some degree- because obviously

there is also a lot of made up, contrived cr*p as well- but it

is definitely possible to separate the wheat from the chaff,

as it were... Dolan is very good at that!

 

The Wilson paper essentially confirms the reality of various

UFO crashes and other craft acquisitions, including the

recovery of aliens, living and dead. It clearly points towards

a vast, undercover effort to study and understand alien

technology being conducted by private industry with the

world's governments as essentially their servants.

(See Little Orphan Annie- 'Daddy Warbucks')

 

Apparently we have had some limited success at

understanding and to a degree duplicating their tech,

but a lot of it is apparently still inscrutable to very limited

humans... We are still more like cave men who don't even

know about the GEICO ads... (sorry, couldn't resist)

 

For comic relief, go listen to the entire 45 minutes or so of

"Everything You Know is Wrong" by the Firesign Theatre.

It's a hoot! You can live stream it from You tube. But if

you are interested in the real deal, and you have just a

tiny bit of an open mind, start with Dolan. He will knock

your socks off, perhaps some day even bring you around

a little towards an 'all my heart and all my mind' level of

belief, which is where I am now.

 

A lot of this stuff is encoded in the various histories of

humans, including the 'holy books' of said humans.

It can be found in Indian and Asian mythologies as well,

and parts of it, little pieces, have made it all the way to

our own times, albeit in fairly cryptic form. But it's there.

 

When and if humanity becomes ready, more will be

revealed. I believe we are on the cusp of that right now.

We humans have developed our own crude technologies.

We are ready now to understand we have encountered

vastly more potent technologies in our human past.

Reminds me of the line in "Dune" based on the Frank

Herbert SF novel: "The sleeper must awake!"

 

OK, your eyes are glazing over- I'll let meself out now...

 

Clutter

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Cluttermagnet
On 1/31/2020 at 9:20 PM, V.T. Eric Layton said:

I'd be more inclined to believe that if there are any "alien" visitors, such as those flying the object in the tic-tac video, then they are most likely us from the future and have learned how to time-travel or multi-universal travel. Believe it or not, time travel or travel between multi-verses is a more reasonable theory than is faster-than-light travel.

 

 

Eric- Current thinking in the UFO community is that many though certainly not all sightings

since, roughly, 1950 are of craft reverse-engineered by humans. But OTOH too many of

the first person close encounter stories are clearly with craft that are not manned by humans!

 

The structure of lies and obfuscation shoring up all the ridicule of these many, many sightings

is groaning under the weight of all that desperate falsification. It's only a matter of time

before it gives way and the inescapable truth is laying out in the open at our collective

feet. Perhaps in out lifetimes, but there is so much desperate secrecy mitigating against

that. If true, and I believe it is totally true, we are looking at the most monstrous swindle,

a vast embezzlement of the public funds, in human history.

 

In recent years a Secretary of Defense went before Congress and admitted there are

billions of dollars in 'defense money' unaccounted for. They later walked that back.

Many do not believe them...

 

I'll address FTL travel in another post, Eric. It is only one possibility being considered,

and you point out some other possibly reasonable explanations above.

 

Clutter

 

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V.T. Eric Layton

Well, I'll give you +1s on those posts just for Effort. However, I won't get into a debate about stuff like this because it always ends up very similarly to conversations about religion or politics.

 

So, for now...

 

I'll just Ummm-hmmm... and nod my head a bit. :)

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Cluttermagnet

Hee hee! But I planted a tiny seed in your collective minds.

Let's see what, if anything, germinates...

 

Clutter

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Cluttermagnet

"Why are you crying, Johnny?"

 

"My lead balloon crashed, Mom. I think someone shot it down (sob)" 😪

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