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dinwitty
welcome, dinwitty! whoa! wow! methinks this is the oldest resurrected thread i've seen in a while! jeez! and to think, i've been hanging around here for 4 years! how cool is that?!so... dinwitty what ya got? any progress?
Starting a new thread when I dont have a clue where to start...?I poured over some over some other info on the net, it comes down to that there isnt any clear cut step by step resolution doing this.The Win98 machines see each other just fine.Its a WinXP issue.I found a netbios thingy on the XP disk and installed it, nothing positive.Basically I set the IP on the XP machine to like 168.156.10.1, 192.168.0.1 works alsoallowing the WInXP connection to say " CONNECTED" so it likes that.But it seems WinXP is only liking TCP as a net protocol.I have installed all the available protocols on WinXP.I tried turning off the firewall while offline, no dice.I set the Firewall to TRUSTED for the LAN card (zonealarm free)I am reading hints about tweaking this or that but some things I cannot find at all.One suggestion was to log in as the same username on both systemsand same workgroup.dunno there yet.Why WinXP has to be this bugger, I dunno.I seriously need the Win98 system working for now.

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Temmu

win xp is, er, interesting with networking.note - there is not need for tweeking, hacking, etc. fear not.the ip addresses must "match" between pc's - see my sample below. using two different ip addresses on the same machine will result in either: never can work, or only works with 1 of those.the connection may be sensing the switch's port, hence saying connected. it's connected to the switch, not the network.as to all available protocols! e-gads! dump 'em all except tcp/ip and file and folder sharing (the "server" service must be "running" to use this.) (unless you can explain ~why~ you need others...) disabling all firewalls (only on the pc's) for now may be a great idea, but i think your problem lies in your tcp/ip addressing scheme (or lack thereof.)you could select (o) obtain an ip address automatically (o) obtain dns server address automaticallyassuming your router provides dhcpdo you have one of your pc's set up for internet connection sharing?? (i'm not saying do this...)==========================describe your network to us as follows: (i am making up ip addresses, use yours)pc 1 - 192.168.1.5 - win98pc 2 - 192.168.1.23 - win98pc 3 - 192.168.1.2 -winxpdefault subnet mask for all: 255.255.255.0default gateway for all: 192.168.1.1inside address of your router: 192.168.1.1======================================let us know...

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dinwitty
This site helped mehttp://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/net-update.aspNote: I don't run XP. I had computers running 98SE, ME and 2K that I wanted to share files and a printer.
using your examples, I did not know the router used an IP addy, its a netgear 100bps wired.Working on it now.no internet sharing, keeping each system individual. Edited by dinwitty

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zlim

My computers each are wired or wireless to the router also. In my notes, I have Netgear uses 192.168.0.3 as the IP.

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dinwitty

as of now the win98 system shows on the xp system, but cannot access it , no go on the win98 system

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Temmu

to obtain the ip addresses of each machine, open a command prompt:

start, run, cmd

at the command prompt of each machine type:

ipconfig

-----------------------------------------------------------------------is this a picture of your network? if not,can you draw a picture of your network, say in paint? what router are you using?sample-net.png

Edited by Temmu

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Ed_P
Starting a new thread when I dont have a clue where to start...?
This help??newtopicdo5.png

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dinwitty

I felt since this thread is full of useful info a new topic aint right."computername" is not accessible. you might not have permission to access this computer.I found the gateways for the XP and added all possible gateway IPs.Their all in the win98 system.default gateway...now what is that all about anyways?if I am able to ping the router to get an IP addy off it, is that possible or needed?Netgear router, NOT hooked to any broadband cable, etc. Just a little routerbox hooked to my 4 machines. Win98 machines still like each other.I had 4 win98 machines hooked thru this everybody seeing everybody.run command cmd works for XP, win98 I hit the ms-dos proggie for the same window.all IP addies gotten. Used example numbers above.XP pro BTW SP2

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dinwitty

woops just a simple linksys hub EFAH05W ver 2

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Ed_P

I seem to recall when I 1st upgraded to XP that I had one Win 98 pc that couldn't connect because it's network name had a blank on the end of it and while the Win 98 machines didn't care Win XP did. And with one Win 98 machine I had to use the floppy that the XP machine's Network Wizard created. The other machine connected fine.And all machines connected fine to each other prior to the one machine being upgraded.

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Temmu
I felt since this thread is full of useful info a new topic aint right."computername" is not accessible. you might not have permission to access this computer.I found the gateways for the XP and added all possible gateway IPs.Their all in the win98 system.default gateway...now what is that all about anyways?if I am able to ping the router to get an IP addy off it, is that possible or needed?Netgear router, NOT hooked to any broadband cable, etc. Just a little routerbox hooked to my 4 machines. Win98 machines still like each other.I had 4 win98 machines hooked thru this everybody seeing everybody.run command cmd works for XP, win98 I hit the ms-dos proggie for the same window.all IP addies gotten. Used example numbers above.XP pro BTW SP2
so, are you saying your network looks exactly like the one i drew?

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zlim
The Win98 machines see each other just fine.Its a WinXP issue....One suggestion was to log in as the same username on both systemsand same workgroup.dunno there yet.
If you haven't changed the default workgroup name, that's a major problem. 98 uses WORKGROUP as the default and XP uses MSHOME so the computers won't see each other until you give each computer the same workgroup name. This name can be no more than 15 characters and can't include spaces. Try just changing the XP default to WORKGROUP, the same as the 98 computers are using; reboot and see if the XP computer now sees the other computers. If so, you can change the name on all your computers to one of your choosing.

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Temmu

good point zlim! that's true, workgroups was ms's first stab at network security. seems like an oxymoron, huh? microsoft + network security!! :devil:

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dinwitty
so, are you saying your network looks exactly like the one i drew?
slice off the outside connections because I connect via modem.Its just a hub.I just found the selections if the network is in a domain or not, selected no domain and using Workgroup as a name.Not tested just yet.

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dinwitty

ok, I have a common name workgroup on both systems.On XP, the Win98 system shows up (its name) but cannot access anything as it snaps up an error."You might not have permission to use this network resource."

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dinwitty
done that, computer browser already running, changed the tcp setting to netbios over tcp, was on the other setting blah blah else use netbios over tcp/ipsame problem.Win98 setting in TCP/IP properties the netbios setting is ticked but grayed out, like it might be automatically set (or not?)so far I see no ways to ungray it and tick/untick it.

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dinwitty
done that, computer browser already running, changed the tcp setting to netbios over tcp, was on the other setting blah blah else use netbios over tcp/ipsame problem.Win98 setting in TCP/IP properties the netbios setting is ticked but grayed out, like it might be automatically set (or not?)so far I see no ways to ungray it and tick/untick it.
Welll. I am using USB flash drives to move data, I would love to see a ground up fresh installsolution (rather than futzing around with current installs). What it seems is Xp uses ONLY NetBios over TCP/IP and not straight NetBios which Win98 can do.Why Gates dumped straight NetBios is beyond me.

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zlim

Are you sure you don't have it?I found this

Microsoft adopted it (NetBIOS) in the late 1980s for their LAN Manager product and it found its way into early versions of Windows and from there into Windows NT. And it's still present (and turned on by default) in Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 because many corporate networks still have legacy (Windows 9x or Windows NT) machines on their network. These machines need NetBIOS to function properly on a network because they use NetBIOS to logon to domains, find one another, and establish sessions for accessing shared resources.
I had to open the network adapter (in Control Panel) and click on the Bindings tab to see that TCP/IP and IPX/SPX were both checked. Then in IPX/SPX , I had to look at the NetBIOS tab and be sure that I had a check mark in "I want to enable NetBios over IPX/SPX" on my 2K computers.Are you perhaps confusing NetBIOS with NetBEUI?http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301041 Edited by zlim

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dinwitty
Are you sure you don't have it?I found this I had to open the network adapter (in Control Panel) and click on the Bindings tab to see that TCP/IP and IPX/SPX were both checked. Then in IPX/SPX , I had to look at the NetBIOS tab and be sure that I had a check mark in "I want to enable NetBios over IPX/SPX" on my 2K computers.Are you perhaps confusing NetBIOS with NetBEUI?http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301041
could be, I may redig getting this to work again. It looks like networking on XP is using TCP/IP as the base protocol then uses netbios over it... hmm, well, so maybe the Win98 machines have to do that as it wont work with straight Netbios. Sound correct?

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zlim

Sorry, it has been so long for this thread and I no longer have 98 installed on any computer so I can't check this for you.

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