crp Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 http://epic.org/foia/EPICvDHS-SOP303-Opinion.pdf Forgot the nonsense of their claiming at first to not be able to find the protocols, i'm skeptical they could really do it. Just for how they plan to do it would make for interesting reading. Don't think this order would require that though, just how they make the decision to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Unfortunately, that document is primarily about FOIA allowances and procedures. I didn't see much in there about the actual topic of this thread. I share your skepticism regarding their ability to actually shut down all wireless connections. The only way I can see that being done is to transmit a powerful jamming signal in all cities and towns that would disable wifi G and N signals. I doubt that's very practical. Does the Gov have backdoor access to wireless routers used in this country? I doubt that, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 [...] The only way I can see that being done is to transmit a powerful jamming signal in all cities and towns that would disable wifi G and N signals. [...] save the village by destroying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The BIG HAMMER method has always been a Gov favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Does the Gov have backdoor access to wireless routers used in this country? I doubt that, too. They do. These are from the last couple of months: http://searchnetwork...rs-need-to-know http://arstechnica.c...uter-get-admin/ http://www.net-secur...ld.php?id=16155 http://isc.sans.edu/... backdoor/16802 https://supportforum.../thread/2251888 More and more information is coming about backdoors in all sorts of electronics. Plus it has came to light that they are intercepting shipments to install backdoors in electronics: http://www.neowin.ne...install-spyware http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Very sad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 They do. These are from the last couple of months: http://searchnetwork...rs-need-to-know http://arstechnica.c...uter-get-admin/ http://www.net-secur...ld.php?id=16155 http://isc.sans.edu/... backdoor/16802 https://supportforum.../thread/2251888 More and more information is coming about backdoors in all sorts of electronics. Plus it has came to light that they are intercepting shipments to install backdoors in electronics: http://www.neowin.ne...install-spyware http://www.spiegel.d...s-a-940969.html even if true, but how would they hit them all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 even if true, but how would they hit them all? Have you heard of the internet kill switch that has been in the news lately: http://www.washingto...rnet-kill-swit/ They used to call me paranoid, now I laugh at how gullible they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The BIG HAMMER method has always been a Gov favorite. And my favorite method to "repair" Windows boxes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 even if true, but how would they hit them all? Broadcast kill code via TCP/IP.... no problem at all, since the Gov controls all the ISPs and Core Routers. Have you heard of the internet kill switch that has been in the news lately: http://www.washingto...rnet-kill-swit/ If they killed the Internet, they'd be doing us all a favor. We could once again live our lives, interact with family/friends live in real time, get stuff done around the home, enjoy the great outdoors, etc. This doesn't include the 100s of 1000s of jobs that NO INTERNET would create... or should I say "recreate". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yup and then there would be no news and they would control us even more....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yup and then there would be no news and they would control us even more....... After a few years of withdrawal you would not even notice as you would only have local news and tales from travellers. You don't miss what you don't know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 We once had real news back before the Internet. Once $$$ started being the prime directive of broadcast companies and newspapers, that was the end of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 After a few years of withdrawal you would not even notice as you would only have local news and tales from travelers. You don't miss what you don't know about. You're right about that. It would make for a slower and more social life. Folks would actually talk to each other again. Families would have meals together and do other things like shopping, visiting, etc. I think we should pass a law that reverts the world back to the early 1900s... a quieter, simpler time. Heck, maybe even the 1800s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Heck, maybe even the 1800s.No way! I don't want to have to use an outhouse in this weather. In July, you'd want your air conditioning. I don't know where I'd put the horse - my mode of transportation to the market to buy food daily because without a freezer, I could not stock up on meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Life would be different, indeed. However, without all those modern conveniences, we'd be stronger, wiser, more efficient, and possibly more appreciative of our daily bread. Flush toilets would be nice, though. Let's just go back to 1950, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) because without a freezer, I could not stock up on meat. No need for a freezer. You just need a some of these and a set of these Flush toilets would be nice, though. Let's just go back to 1950, then. The Romans had flush toilets. Edited January 14, 2014 by abarbarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temmu Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 there was a day when investigative newspaper journalists uncovered corruption. now journalists neither investigate nor uncover. they just pass on the propaganda - kinda like most flotsam seen on the, um, internet... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Well, before the Internet, news was such a worthwhile financial venture that CNN actually did an entire channel on Cable for news. News has always been financially lucrative (via advertisers). And the more catastrophic the news the better for making money.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 What's the old saw? "There's no news like bad news." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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