Guest LilBambi Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Yep, if you aren't learning something new every day ... Great fun to learn new things. Wish I had a computer to actually play with some of the other distros. The ones I have are needed just as they are unfortunately. I don't want to mess with them.I need a new play toy! LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 Josh, concerning xemacs: while I wanted xemacs21-nomule, I would have settled for standard xemacs. Using # pacman -S xemacs, I did locate xemacs21.5.29-2, as a look at my notebook reminds me. It also tells me that, before trying a download, I looked up its dependencies (reported by Debian's aptitude) and found four that seemed vital and did not show up when I looked in the Arch repos (core, extra, and community): emacsen-common, xemacs21-basesupport, xemacs21-bin, and xemacs21-support. That led me to give up on xemacs in Arch, which seemed reasonable at the time but was probably hasty. I confess that these days I walk away immediately if I suspect I'm facing another snipe hunt. Looking for dependencies that won't ever turn up is not for me. Once burned, twice shy.So is it the case that while the main package is listed in the Arch repo, the programs whose only function is to satisfy the dependencies of fully-fledged packages are not listed?Regarding this command "yaourt -Ss", I'm fascinated. I looked at the man page for pacman again, and still don't understand. Please tell me more!Finally, that list of files in AUR strikes me as a project that used xemacs; I wonder whether there are any files there that someone who wants the xemacs app needs. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Yaourt is a pacman wrapper for installing packages from AUR. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Yaourt The syntax for yaourt is the same as pacman but you can update the AUR packages you have installed using: yaourt -Syu --aur As far as xemacs, Archlinux uses the unmodified upstream source for packages and does not patch or modify the original source. That said, just because it is a dependency for debian does not mean it is a dependency for Archlinux. I just installed xemacs: ╔═ root@Venus 10:15 AM ╚═══ /home/comhack-> pacman -Qi xemacsName : xemacsVersion : 21.5.29-2URL : http://www.xemacs.org/Licenses : GPLGroups : NoneProvides : NoneDepends On : db>=4.8 libpng libtiff gpm>=1.20.4 bash ncurses>=5.6-7 desktop-file-utils libxaw libjpegOptional Deps : xorg-fonts-75dpi: X bitmap fonts needed for the interface xorg-fonts-100dpi: X bitmap fonts needed for the interfaceRequired By : NoneConflicts With : NoneReplaces : NoneInstalled Size : 36620.00 KPackager : Pierre Schmitz Architecture : x86_64Build Date : Mon 18 Jan 2010 09:28:43 AM ESTInstall Date : Sun 25 Jul 2010 10:15:44 AM EDTInstall Reason : Explicitly installedInstall Script : YesDescription : highly customizable open source text editor and application development system forked from GNU Emacs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Yep, if you aren't learning something new every day ... Great fun to learn new things. Wish I had a computer to actually play with some of the other distros. The ones I have are needed just as they are unfortunately. I don't want to mess with them.I need a new play toy! LOL!Why not try out new, fun stuff in VirtualBox or one of the other virtual machines? That's what I do. If you screw it up, you just wipe it out and start again. No problem for anything else on your physical machine.My VirtualBox contains virtual drives of Windows XP (for walking customers thru specific tasks), Windows 7 (for familiarization and customer support), Qimo linux (for my 2 1/2 year old), TinyCore linux (it's just too cool to live without knowing about), Fedora 13 (cause I'm traditionally a Debian guy and need to know the rpm/yum side of life), Slitaz linux (kind of the same reason as TinyCore), Supreme Gamer linux (just for fun), Linux Mint (for support of The HeliOS Project installs/clients), sidux (so I can keep up with my favorite Debian based distro), FreeBSD (sounded interesting). That's just this week. It's easy to setup new .vdi's so you can jump in and out of anything you want anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 --Eventually I'll want to know what magic can you work for wodim and genisoimage. I don't see them in Arch, either.Both commands are part of the cdrkit package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Regarding this command "yaourt -Ss", I'm fascinated. I looked at the man page for pacman again, and still don't understand. Please tell me more!yaourt is a pacman front end that extends it's functions a lot and lets you access an additional repository of packages.http://archlinux.fr/yaourt-enIt's not hard to install following thishttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/YaourtLet us know if you run into problems, I know I did the first time, and someone will jump to your assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Why not try out new, fun stuff in VirtualBox or one of the other virtual machines? That's what I do. If you screw it up, you just wipe it out and start again. No problem for anything else on your physical machine.My VirtualBox contains virtual drives of Windows XP (for walking customers thru specific tasks), Windows 7 (for familiarization and customer support), Qimo linux (for my 2 1/2 year old), TinyCore linux (it's just too cool to live without knowing about), Fedora 13 (cause I'm traditionally a Debian guy and need to know the rpm/yum side of life), Slitaz linux (kind of the same reason as TinyCore), Supreme Gamer linux (just for fun), Linux Mint (for support of The HeliOS Project installs/clients), sidux (so I can keep up with my favorite Debian based distro), FreeBSD (sounded interesting). That's just this week. It's easy to setup new .vdi's so you can jump in and out of anything you want anytime.Yep, I use VirtualBox for several OSes now, but have run out of drive space and drive bays LOL!Thanks amenditman for mentioning this. I might be able to get an external drive (as I mentioned, no more bays left) to try some new distros on and that would certainly be less expensive than a new computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 ... and that would certainly be less expensive than a new computer.And a whole lot less messy. You can't believe how 4 or 5 computers in a small space can become overwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Heard that! Have two physical computers on a KVM and various OSes between them and it's interesting enough! :hysterical:And that's just at my desk, I have another downstairs with windows/linux dual boot and my laptop dual boot windows/linux as well.Just need another external hard drive and I will be be cookin' with more experiments in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 I'm surprised and fascinated. In Debian, wodim and genisoimage are not commands, but genuine packages. Yaourt is a surprise, as well. But the biggest surprise of all to me is that what's a dependency in Debian is not necessarily a dependency in Arch Linux! That's a fundamental concept, so I do thank you for setting me straight. When in Rome, eat spaghetti.... This all validates my feeling that I needed a new environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Well thats odd considering: Major components include: * wodim (an acronym for write optical disk media), which was forked from the cdrecord program in cdrtools. * icedax (an acronym for incredible digital audio extractor), which was forked from the cdda2wav program in cdrtools. * genisoimage (short for generate ISO image), which was forked from the mkisofs program in cdrtools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrkit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 Yeah, I recall a tiny bit about this now...but the details are dim in my memory because there was, IIRC, some silly fussin' and feudin'...my eyes glazed over. I think the Debian developers decided to settle the issue, for Debian users at any rate, so they made distinct packages out of a larger pre-existing toolkit. Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Ah that explains it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 Arch Linux specialists, please provide a diagnosis....It took some serious amateur sleuthing to figure out why I am having catastrophic failures of Arch Linux, but eventually it became clearthat it is just a failed network connection. Here are the tail ends of two dmesgs, the first from a successful session, and the second fromone in which no # pacman -Syy or similar command works:kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 secondsEXT3-fs (sdb2): using internal journalEXT3-fs (sdb2): mounted filesystem with writeback data moder8169 0000:02:00.0: eth0: link upr8169 0000:02:00.0: eth0: link upkjournald starting. Commit interval 5 secondsEXT3-fs (sdb2): using internal journalEXT3-fs (sdb2): mounted filesystem with writeback data modeeth0: link downNow, why is this happening? All my network settings in /etc/rc.config and /etc/resolv.conf are unchanged, but about half the time I can'tconnect to my ISP. Yes, I see the big red FAIL on boot, and no, Debian does not suffer from this occasionally very stubborn problem.Further, when the problem hits Arch Linux, it always attacks the boot process -- the connection never dies once it has been established.I'm convinced that the problem is not hardware, not at my ISP, and lurks somewhere in the Arch Linux boot process. If you want to seethe entire dmesg files -- that's not to suggest I expect that would help -- you should send me a message, because they are long long long.I've put my gmail address in my profile and made it available to everyone.Any suggestions as to how to stabilize things will be sincerely appreciated, so TIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Just a wild guess: could be it needs a little more time to get an IP. In other words, maybe the DHCP settings need a bit of tinkering regarding timing out. Just my 0.01 ct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 Striker -- Hmmm, I wonder. That had crossed my mind, but several times as I sat here, staring at the BUSY indicator that showed that Arch was trying to establish a connection, I had the feeling that it had plenty of time. I'll check and see whether I can find a setting that will give it even more time. It can't hurt. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Maybe this will solve your problem: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Config...P_fails_at_boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 Thanks, Josh -- I'll spend the time with this considerable resource that's necessary to take full advantage of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Well it may not be that involved but then again I have never witnessed your issues on any of my machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Also, could you either upload your dmesg to http://pastebin.com/ or email it to me. My address is in the signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Time for a final report. Mission accomplished, and I'm very impressed by Arch Linux. It's a learning opportunity, sure, but a lot more than that. Tip: if you give this slick distro a try, use the Arch Wiki for current information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Time for a final report. Mission accomplished, and I'm very impressed by Arch Linux. It's a learning opportunity, sure, but a lot more than that. Tip: if you give this slick distro a try, use the Arch Wiki for current information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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