securitybreach Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I do not know if this has been suggested but I think ATL needs an irc channel for users to chat back and forth. I know we do this on the forum sometimes but I think it would be nice to have an IRC channel also, maybe on freenode.net or something. Most websites, especially Linux support sites, have one. So I was thinking, ATL is definetly one of the better Linux support forums out there, so why not? I usually stay on atleast 4 channels all the time myself, so I could help mod the channel if needed. I do not presently know how to set up an IRC channel but I could look into if anyone is interested. I think it would be fairly easy to set up. I searched and did not see any other requests for one, so I thought I would make a suggestion. Just an ideal.....Thanks Edited October 23, 2009 by securitybreach Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 This has been discussed before and it comes back to the fact that with a forum, or text oriented situation, the topics and posts can help people far into the future.IRC is great for real time communication, and in fact, I use it all the time, but the forums are not just for each of us today, but also for each of us and others tomorrow.The things that are posted here not only help the person asking the questions or hashing out the answers with fellow members, but those who may also have the same issues down line or something similar. That is something you can't trade ... it has great value.If you move a lot of this dialogue to IRC, the communication is a one-time thing that helps just those that are there real time, not those who may come after.They each have their place, but if you want to continue to help others learn about Linux, then ATL should remain as a forum of communication that is available to posterity as a learning tool.That's my two cents...your mileage may vary. Quote
Bruno Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 This has been discussed before and it comes back to the fact that with a forum, or text oriented situation, the topics and posts can help people far into the future. I fully agree with Fran here . . . . the forum is a real goldmine of info that many people use also those that never ever will post a message or question. Bruno Quote
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 I rarely ever use any form of chat. I probably haven't logged into my Pidgin IM accounts in more than a year. It's useful, yes. However, soooo much information in those conversations would be lost in the ether and not be searchable or viewable again. Quote
securitybreach Posted October 23, 2009 Author Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Yes those are valid points. I did not think about the references that ATL provides. I have looked back at things numerous times. Although, it does help to have one in conjuction with a forum. But I see the point that Fran makes. Eric: I rarely chat using any messenger but I do use IRC all the time. Thanks Edited October 23, 2009 by securitybreach Quote
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Funny that we're talking about ATL as a reference. There is something in Gnome that annoys me... you can't get Gnome (Metacity) to remember the placement/size of windows after you've shut them down. They pop back up wherever they want the next time. I was searching for a solution to this the other day and ran across an old thread here talking about just that issue. Neat, huh? Sadly, the thread wasn't too helpful. Seems there isn't a solution. Ah well, can't have everything be perfect. Edited October 23, 2009 by V.T. Eric Layton Quote
Urmas Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 @Fran : you know what I know? Epistemology is an examination of how the theorist studies the chosen phenomena. In studying epistemology, particularly from a positivist perspective, objective knowledge is said to be the result of a systematic look at the causal relationships of phenomena. This knowledge is usually attained through use of the scientific method. Scholars often think that empirical evidence collected in an objective manner is most likely to reflect truth in the findings. Theories of this ilk are usually created to predict a phenomenon. Subjective theory holds that understanding is based on situated knowledge, typically found using interpretative methodology such as ethnography and also interviews. Subjective theories are typically developed to explain or understand phenomena in the social world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_theory Quote
striker Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 epis what, say again? My tongue broke three times in a row while trying to pronounce that term. Try it a couple of times one after another without pausing. Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 Very interesting word there Urmas.Now Epistemology word is definitely an interesting word. Epistemology (from Greek ἐπιστήμη - episteme-, "knowledge, science" + λόγος, "logos") or theory of knowledge is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope (limitations) of knowledge. It addresses the questions: * What is knowledge? * How is knowledge acquired? * What do people know? * How do we know what we know?Much of the debate in this field has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to similar notions such as truth, belief, and justification. It also deals with the means of production of knowledge, as well as skepticism about different knowledge claims.The term was introduced into English by the Scottish philosopher James Frederick Ferrier (1808–1864).And taking a page from Delivering an Oral Presentation:Fielding Questions * Don't feel obliged to answer a question that you do not understand. Politely ask the person to clarify the question until you know what the person is asking. (I'm not sure that I understand your question. Could you restate it please?" * To keep the rest of the audience involved, it's good to restate the question as you understand it before beginning to answer. In addition, answer to the entire audience, not just to the person who asked the question. * Even experts don't have all of the answers. If you don't know the answer to a question, you have two options. 1) Simply acknowledge that importance of the question (if it is) but that you don't know the answer. 2) Speculate as to a possible answer but be clear to the audience that you are speculating and that this may not be the "real" answer. Bold emphasis mine.So, I think the real question in regard to striker's question to me would be: Could you restate that as a question, please? Quote
striker Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 I can't do that Fran. I sent you a PM, then you'll know why. Quote
zlim Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 I'd like to buy a few vowels and some more brain cells while I'm at it! Quote
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Huh? Wha? Did I miss something? Quote
Urmas Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Huh? Wha? Did I miss something? Paradoxes and Quirks in Human Communications Behavior 101. Worry not, here comes lesson #2:( http://xkcd.com/ -as usual.) Quote
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 anyone ever swapped the motor/trans out of a 1960 jaguar "e" type? Nope. Never worked on any Jag before. Quote
Cluttermagnet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Very interesting word there Urmas.So, I think the real question in regard to striker's question to me would be: Could you restate that as a question, please? Yes, Doctor Memory:"Who are the Firesign Theatre, and what makes them so quotable" Youth wants to know...I think IRC is great for 2-party chats- yet I rarely use it these days. OTOH I have had some excellent help sessions where Urmas, Bruno, striker, and others got me straightened out on the finer points of Ubuntu or generic Linux. Those 'chats' are preserved here in the Linux Forum. I do occasionally refer back to them when I need to remember some forgotten bit of knowledge. So, by accepting a little delay in a sequence of postings, the Forum becomes useful as a sort of 'chat'. It works, and often the pace of the conversation is 'just right'. Ask question, try something, comment back, ask another question. By suggesting an ad hoc IRC session, one may help oneself by greatly increasing the 'data rate' of a conversation, but OTOH conversations started in the Forums then go 'invisible' to anyone reading in a thread. Food for thought...So, then, what is the etymology of the word "etymology" Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Hey Clutter! Great to see ya!! Enjoying your birthday month? Very funny stuff ... Firesign Theatre ... and it is great when a fellow Firesonian? comes in and recognizes the silly quotes! Here! Here! I couldn't agree more! Quote
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Temmu,What's up? Are you playing a round of the "How Far Off Topic Can You Get" game? Quote
Urmas Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him.- Sun Tzu Quote
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. ~Sun Tzu Quote
Urmas Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.- W. C. Fields Quote
Cluttermagnet Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 This thread is confusing- "yet strangely compelling..."(quoting Bart Simpson) Quote
Guest LilBambi Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 LOL!A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and art into pedantry. Hence University education.~George Bernard Shaw Quote
Urmas Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 ... my fav from mad magazine!Here's mine: Quote
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