Frank Golden Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Linked from the Win 7 forumhttp://windows7forums.com/windows-7-discus....html#post34922Many thanks to the EU Quote
Webb Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 How do you download Firefox without IE?Link internet explorer A simple Windows XP tool which allows the user to browse to Mozilla.com and download Firefox, a web browser. Quote
lewmur Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 How do you download Firefox without IE?Link I get it!! If Win7 can't download, you use the XP tool to install FF. Quote
Webb Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 I should have read the whole story. I'd put the installer on a flash drive before installing the OS. Or there is the Microsoft way: To start FTP, click on the Start menu, then "Run..." and enter:ftp (or go sttraight to the Command prompt, run as Admistartor, and type ftp)Then click "OK."When the ftp> prompt appears, type:open releases.mozilla.orgThen press Enter. You will be connected to the Mozilla Firefox FTP download site.Note that you will need to press Enter after every command that follows.When prompted for your username enter: anonymous As your password enter: your email addressWhen the ftp> prompt reappears enter these commands, one at a time, pressing enter after each one and waiting for a response from the server:cd pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releasescd latest-2.0cd win32Now, to see a list of languages and countries that Firefox is available for, type:lsIf you live in the United States or you prefer your interface in U.S. English, your next command is:cd en-USIf you prefer another language, cd to that directory instead.Next, to find out the name of the current version of the Firefox installer, use one more "ls" command:lsThis last "ls" command will show you the exact name of the installer for the current version of Firefox 2.0, among other files. You are looking for the filename that ends with .exe. AS OF THIS WRITING, it is:Firefox Setup 2.0.0.20.exeBut you need to use the ls command to see what the current version is instead of relying on this.Next, type the command:binaryTo make sure the file is moved as a program and not as a text file, which would ruin it.Now we need to get it to go to your desktop.'Fortunately, the desktop "lives" right inside your home folder, so we can use the lcd (Local Change Directory) command to go there:lcd DesktopType:get "Firefox Setup 2.0.0.20.exe" (If that is the setup program name you found with the ls command. )(The quotation marks are important!)The file will take a while to download. On a dialup modem a little longer. When and if the ftp prompt comes back without an error message, type:quitYou should now finf the install on your desktop. Quote
lewmur Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 I should have read the whole story. I'd put the installer on a flash drive before installing the OS. Or there is the Microsoft way:So, MS offers a version of Win7 without IE, in order to circumvent the EU. But at the same time, for no additional cost, they offer one with IE. You, instead of using the version with IE, would choose to pre-download FF onto removable media, and use the Win7 version without IE. Just how many others do you think are going to choose that option?No one is saying that it can't be done. What I'm saying is that almost no one will and that MS's intention is nothing more than to maintain whatever monopoly advantage they can while pretending to do their best to meet the EU's objections. Quote
Webb Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 I live in the US so this doesn't affect me.I'll be using XP until it wears out so this doesn't affect me.The EU has defecated on MS and this is MS's way of defecating on the EU.As much as I dislike MS I think the EU has it coming. Happy computing, Europe!(PS, Windows 7 will cost more in Europe than in the US because MS has factored the cost of the EU fines into the price of the OS. Once again, happy computing, Europe!) Quote
lewmur Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 The EU has defecated on MS and this is MS's way of defecating on the EU.As much as I dislike MS I think the EU has it coming. Happy computing, Europe!It truly amazes me that someone who claims to dislike MS can still claim that an entity that has granted MS a license to steal is somehow being unfair when that they want to place some restrictions on the license. Quote
Frank Golden Posted June 14, 2009 Author Posted June 14, 2009 Something I just thought of. Windows Update uses IE 7-8's Active X. Firefox doesn't support Active X so how do you do Windows Update. Quote
Webb Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 It truly amazes me that someone who claims to dislike MS can still claim that an entity that has granted MS a license to steal is somehow being unfair when that they want to place some restrictions on the license.Governments don't "grant" anyone the license to do anything.Governments take away the freedom to do something and sell back a license to do what they have taken away. Quote
lewmur Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Governments don't "grant" anyone the license to do anything.Governments take away the freedom to do something and sell back a license to do what they have taken away.Believe what you choose. I find the current state of affairs re patents and copyrights to be abhorrent. They are nothing more than govt granted monopolies. The whole basis for govts granting these protections is that they are supposed to "serve the public good." In the case of MS, that is laughable. It is even more laughable to claim that the govt applying a few restrictions on the use of these patents and copyrights, amounts to "defecating" the holders.It is in the granting of patents and copyrights that the govts are removing freedoms. Edited June 14, 2009 by lewmur Quote
Webb Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 Of course I'm going to believe what I choose, don't you?In some ways economics is pretty simple.If it costs me more to make a product I will charge more for it, won't I?If I have pay a tax on a product I'll pass it on to the consumer, won't I? Quote
lewmur Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 Of course I'm going to believe what I choose, don't you?In some ways economics is pretty simple.If it costs me more to make a product I will charge more for it, won't I?If I have pay a tax on a product I'll pass it on to the consumer, won't I?Sorry. The economics are not that simple. The price is determined by supply and demand. If you raise the price to pass along the cost, you reduce the demand. Quote
lewmur Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Something I just thought of. Windows Update uses IE 7-8's Active X. Firefox doesn't support Active X so how do you do Windows Update.There is an ActiveX plugin for FF. But MS would still have to open WU up to other browsers. You can spoof your browser ID but I doubt you'd fool MS that way. Edited June 14, 2009 by lewmur Quote
throktar Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) This is so simple-- MS does not build machines. Vendors stick 4 CDs with Chrome, FF, Safari and IE in the box. All clearly marked. EU consumer chooses on the spot with browser to install. The "E" version machine has the 4 disks included--The question then becomes -- does the EU have the right and authority to force MS in preinstalling what it believes to be in the best interests of the EU consumer. Would you want the EU governmental body telling you what your company can and can not do with your product?The US is toying with this very concept-- Obama has put US companies on notice... We are coming for your offshore assets... We want those billions-- The problem with that is when government pushes and squeezes on big business--- they push and squeeze back on the unlucky consumers. None of the suits in DC have figured this simple truth out. Edited June 14, 2009 by throktar Quote
Frank Golden Posted June 14, 2009 Author Posted June 14, 2009 I should have read the whole story. I'd put the installer on a flash drive before installing the OS. Or there is the Microsoft way:Here is the problem, as I see it. We, all of us here would find a way to D/L an alternative browser etc.But what about the little old lady computer user or my non technical sister for example. They would be expecting a browser and wouldn't wan't to have to mess with the stuff we take for granted. There are a lot of non technical users out there.Maybe Microsoft could satisfy the EU by including Firefox in their bundle. :hysterical: Quote
lewmur Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 Here is the problem, as I see it. We, all of us here would find a way to D/L an alternative browser etc.But what about the little old lady computer user or my non technical sister for example. They would be expecting a browser and wouldn't wan't to have to mess with the stuff we take for granted. There are a lot of non technical users out there.Maybe Microsoft could satisfy the EU by including Firefox in their bundle. :hysterical: What the EU is demanding is that MS offer a list of browsers the first time Win7 is booted. This does not mean MS would include them on the CD/DVD but rather that they include a link to the browsers d/l sites. The fact that no browser is in operation does not mean that an Internet connection isn't available. The Win activation takes place without invoking a browser. And the download/installation of the browser the user chooses could also be automated very easily.What MS is offering as an alternative is the "availability" of a Win7 install that has no browser and no automated way of obtaining one. Notice the word "availability." IOW, this would be something the end user would have to choose. Not something that would be universal in the EU or even something the end user would have to "opt out" of. The end user would have to "opt in" to the choice. No one is going to do that so it is an obvious ploy on MS's part to wiggle out of compliance. Quote
Peachy Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 If you install Microsoft .NET 3.5 SP1 it will automatically install an ActiveX plugin for Mozilla. Whether that will work for downloading Windows Update files remains to be seen. Alternatively you can download the Windows Update files directly from the KB page for each update. A little tedious but it would work. Quote
lewmur Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 If you install Microsoft .NET 3.5 SP1 it will automatically install an ActiveX plugin for Mozilla. Whether that will work for downloading Windows Update files remains to be seen. Alternatively you can download the Windows Update files directly from the KB page for each update. A little tedious but it would work.Peachy;If MS succeeds with this stunt, they will obviously have to provide a means of updating. But that's not the point. The point is that it is a stunt. Just like the one they pulled with Media Player. They know ****** well no one is going to opt for the browser free version. Quote
lewmur Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 windows updates on ffor? would windows server update services (wsus) running on a pc require ie on the win7 pc to receive the files from the wsus pc?note_______________personally i gave up caring if ms win has ie on it or no.if in ms win, i browse w/ ff or sometimes opera, and rarely with ie.if i want the non-ms option, i run pclinuxos, ubuntu and debian (pc and laptop, laptop, respectively.)in which case it's back to ff anyway.I don't really care what MS does either. I do care about what govts do to slap them down. Quote
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