"daddy" no print for me

[albrtijo]

I have an HPPSC2510 3 in 1 printer that I have used in Linux (though at times it's been hard to install -- probably my ignorance at work), but I cannot get it to work in PCLinuxOS daddy.FWIW here is something I brought up while running "kjobviewer" to erase print jobs.Kjobviewer completed the erasures so I don't know what this is about.albrtijoPassword:[root@localhost charlie]# kjobviewerDCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socketDCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socketLink points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"Error: "/root/.kde/socket-localhost" points to "/tmp/ksocket-root" instead of "/root/tmp/ksocket-root".Creating link /root/.kde/socket-localhost.Created link from "/root/.kde/socket-localhost" to "/root/tmp/ksocket-root"Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"Error: "/root/.kde/tmp-localhost" points to "/tmp/kde-root" instead of "/root/tmp/kde-root".Creating link /root/.kde/tmp-localhost.Created link from "/root/.kde/tmp-localhost" to "/root/tmp/kde-root"kbuildsycoca running...Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"kbuildsycoca: WARNING: KBuildServiceGroupFactory::addNew( /, ): menu already exists!kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Multimedia/Sound/amarok.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'audio/x-aac'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Multimedia/Sound/amarok.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'audio/x-m4a'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kontact/akregatorplugin3.2.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'Kontact/Plugin'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kontact/akregatorplugin.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'Kontact/Plugin'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '.hidden/k3b-iso.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype ''kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Networking/WWW/Opera.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/vnd.csr'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Networking/WWW/Opera.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/wml'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Networking/WWW/Opera.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/xhtml'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Wordprocessors/OpenOffice.org Math.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.stardivision.math'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Presentations/OpenOffice.org Impress.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.stardivision.impress'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kcertpart.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/binary-certificate'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Multimedia/Video/kaffeine.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype ''kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kaffeine_part.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KMediaPart'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Configuration/kfmclient_html.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype ''kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Spreadsheets/OpenOffice.org Calc.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.stardivision.calc'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Spreadsheets/OpenOffice.org Calc.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.stardivision.chart'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '.hidden/k3b-cue.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype ''kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'knotify.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KNotify'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'gstreamer_part.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KMediaPart'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Applications/Editors/kate.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-kate-project'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Drawing/OpenOffice.org Draw.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.stardivision.draw'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Wordprocessors/OpenOffice.org Writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.stardivision.writer'kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Office/Wordprocessors/OpenOffice.org Writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-doc'[root@localhost charlie]#[root@localhost charlie]# KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/2libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_154b_111_3000_-1_4_0libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.has_audio on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_4libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.is_blank on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_4libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.has_audio on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_878b252b-99cb-402a-973e-a5a71c945111libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.is_blank on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_878b252b-99cb-402a-973e-a5a71c945111libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.has_audio on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_9575bf72-2e1b-43cb-ad5d-8cd52e20ef4clibhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.is_blank on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_9575bf72-2e1b-43cb-ad5d-8cd52e20ef4clibhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.has_audio on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_e7116ef7-c3fd-4cc5-89ce-f6fb3139bcd4libhal.c 1205 : Error sending msg: No property volume.disc.is_blank on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_e7116ef7-c3fd-4cc5-89ce-f6fb3139bcd4libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.category on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/scsi_0_0_0_0

[Bruno]

Hi albrtijoYou should not run kjobviewer as root . . try it as user.Next go to the PCLos Control Center and remove the printer from there . . next go to the Kde Control Center --> Peripherals --> Printers . . . press the "administrator" button first and add your printer there. Bruno

[albrtijo]

Hi albrtijoYou should not run kjobviewer as root . . try it as user.Next go to the PCLos Control Center and remove the printer from there . . next go to the Kde Control Center --> Peripherals --> Printers . . . press the "administrator" button first and add your printer there. Bruno

Bruno,I am now printing your instructions 100 times.About kjobviewer: Only as "root' have I been able to erase root-owned-print-jobs.Thanksalbrtijo Edited September 12, 2006 by albrtijo

[albrtijo]

Hi albrtijoYou should not run kjobviewer as root . . try it as user.Next go to the PCLos Control Center and remove the printer from there . . next go to the Kde Control Center --> Peripherals --> Printers . . . press the "administrator" button first and add your printer there. Bruno

In PCLinuxOS "daddy" on my Sony desktop, I followed succesfully Bruno's printer installation instructions: (Next go to the PCLos Control Center and remove the printer from there . . next go to the Kde Control Center --> Peripherals --> Printers . . . press the "administrator" button first and add your printer there.) But going the same route on my Toshiba laptop, when I get to "You need to supply a username and a password" nothing I try works.On the Sony I used the (PCLinuxOS "daddy") name and password, but the Toshiba's name and password doesn't work for the printer install.FWIW I can print through Windows XP.albrtijo

[Bruno]

But going the same route on my Toshiba laptop, when I get to "You need to supply a username and a password" nothing I try works.

?? At what point do you get this question ?I will ask Striker to have a look . . he's an expert in solving printer problems . . . . Bruno

[striker]

Hi albrtijo,Again printer problems, must be a stubborn piece of equipment you'v e got there. Well, let's see what we can do about that, shall we ? For this one especially I'm going to install the Big Daddy myself here. I'll be back then in a few hours to see what quirks it has and to see what we can do about this little problem. Stay tuned.

[striker]

OK albrtijo, here's a step by step for ya.I' ve installed the distro,updated it, installed all other things I need in there and after that I installed two printers. If it should be really necessary, I've got an old Deskjet 840C printer on the attic which I could install also, however I don' t have any fresh inkt cartridges for it and don' t intend to buy any. So let us start.First we' re going to make the Printers menu sub item available in the KDE menu.Goto KDE > Configuration > KDE Control CenterOpen Look 'n Feel > Panels : click tab MenusIn the Optional Menus section check Print System.Hit Apply and close KDE Control Center.See that the printer is connected and powered on.Next we're going to remove the printer already on the system. (don't worry, reinstall comes below.)KDE > Print System > Print Manager.Hit Administrator button, type in your root password en click OK. Maximize the "Configure-KDE Control Module"-window.Select your HP printer in the upper half of the window, right click on it and select Remove. It should be vanished from the window now. Next, click the Add button and select Add Printer/Class.The Add Printer Wizard (Introduction) rears its ugly head on the screen:click next;In the Backend Selection window select Local Printer (parallel,serial,usb). Click next.In the Local Port Selection window select your printer model under the USB heading appropriate to your connection, assuming your using a USB connection.Otherwise adapt to your connection type.(For example you see Local System, below that you' ll see Parallel,Serial,USB; Open up the USB entry, open up USB printer #1 and there you' ll probably end up seeing your printer connected.If not, open up the other reading and search for your printer.)Click next.In the printer Model Selection window : if you have a special adapted .ppd file like I do, click Other; In all else cases select your printer manufacturer on the left and the exact model on the right.Click next.The Printer Test window shows up : click settings and set according to your wishes; Click Test :the "Test Page successfully sent to printer" dialog shows up: wait until the printer has ended printing, after that hit the OK button.Back in the Printer Test window hit Next.On the Banner Selection window : set the starting and ending banner to "no banner" and hit next;Printer Quota settings window: just hit next.(no quota and no limits)The Users Access settings window: click the drop down box to the right of Type: set for Allowed Users. In the Users field below the drop down box type "root" (without quotes) and hit the Add button; in the Users field below the drop down box type your user name and hit the Add button;click next.In the General Information window you' ll have to give the printer a name :The Description is probably already filled in like this :CANON PIXUS560i; Now copy and paste this name into the Name field, after that remove the space between CANON and PIXUS560i (!!! do not forget this !!!) and hit next. (The Canon printer here is just an example of course, adept to your printer/model please.Remember : no spaces in the Name field.)The Confirmation window opens : have a look in there...not much interesting in there, isn' t it? Just click Finish. Next:back in the "Configure-KDE Control Module"-window :select the just added printer > right click on it and select "set as local default".If after that it's still available you can also set the "set as user default" option. (the printer models name goes in Italic mode now)In the lower half of this same screen you'll see four tabs, one of them is called "instances" : click that one:See to it that in the upper half of the screen your printer is still selected, in the lower half of the screen at tab Instances you should see now a printer icon with the word Default behind it. If so, please click the Settings button at the right of the lower half portion of this window. (if not, click the Make Default button first)Now you'll see the "Configuration of <printers name>" window.(eight tabs available)(Of prime importance here are the General,Image and Driver Settings tabs. If you made any changes on one of these tabs hit the Save button now and then click the Test ... button;The "WARNING-KDE Control Module" shows up telling that you are about to print a test page. Click the Print Test Page button; Hit OK on the Test Page successfully sent to printer blah blah blah window.In the "Configure-KDE Control Module"-window you may now hit the OK button. You' re done now. You've just installed your printer.Have fun !

[albrtijo]

OK albrtijo, here's a step by step for ya.I' ve installed the distro,updated it, installed all other things I need in there and after that I installed two printers. If it should be really necessary, I've got an old Deskjet 840C printer on the attic which I could install also, however I don' t have any fresh inkt cartridges for it and don' t intend to buy any. So let us start.First we' re going to make the Printers menu sub item available in the KDE menu.Goto KDE > Configuration > KDE Control CenterOpen Look 'n Feel > Panels : click tab MenusIn the Optional Menus section check Print System.Hit Apply and close KDE Control Center.See that the printer is connected and powered on.Next we're going to remove the printer already on the system. (don't worry, reinstall comes below.)KDE > Print System > Print Manager.Hit Administrator button, type in your root password en click OK. Maximize the "Configure-KDE Control Module"-window.Select your HP printer in the upper half of the window, right click on it and select Remove. It should be vanished from the window now. Next, click the Add button and select Add Printer/Class.The Add Printer Wizard (Introduction) rears its ugly head on the screen:click next;In the Backend Selection window select Local Printer (parallel,serial,usb). Click next.In the Local Port Selection window select your printer model under the USB heading appropriate to your connection, assuming your using a USB connection.Otherwise adapt to your connection type.(For example you see Local System, below that you' ll see Parallel,Serial,USB; Open up the USB entry, open up USB printer #1 and there you' ll probably end up seeing your printer connected.If not, open up the other reading and search for your printer.)Click next.In the printer Model Selection window : if you have a special adapted .ppd file like I do, click Other; In all else cases select your printer manufacturer on the left and the exact model on the right.Click next.The Printer Test window shows up : click settings and set according to your wishes; Click Test :the "Test Page successfully sent to printer" dialog shows up: wait until the printer has ended printing, after that hit the OK button.Back in the Printer Test window hit Next.On the Banner Selection window : set the starting and ending banner to "no banner" and hit next;Printer Quota settings window: just hit next.(no quota and no limits)The Users Access settings window: click the drop down box to the right of Type: set for Allowed Users. In the Users field below the drop down box type "root" (without quotes) and hit the Add button; in the Users field below the drop down box type your user name and hit the Add button;click next.In the General Information window you' ll have to give the printer a name :The Description is probably already filled in like this :CANON PIXUS560i; Now copy and paste this name into the Name field, after that remove the space between CANON and PIXUS560i (!!! do not forget this !!!) and hit next. (The Canon printer here is just an example of course, adept to your printer/model please.Remember : no spaces in the Name field.)The Confirmation window opens : have a look in there...not much interesting in there, isn' t it? Just click Finish. Next:back in the "Configure-KDE Control Module"-window :select the just added printer > right click on it and select "set as local default".If after that it's still available you can also set the "set as user default" option. (the printer models name goes in Italic mode now)In the lower half of this same screen you'll see four tabs, one of them is called "instances" : click that one:See to it that in the upper half of the screen your printer is still selected, in the lower half of the screen at tab Instances you should see now a printer icon with the word Default behind it. If so, please click the Settings button at the right of the lower half portion of this window. (if not, click the Make Default button first)Now you'll see the "Configuration of <printers name>" window.(eight tabs available)(Of prime importance here are the General,Image and Driver Settings tabs. If you made any changes on one of these tabs hit the Save button now and then click the Test ... button;The "WARNING-KDE Control Module" shows up telling that you are about to print a test page. Click the Print Test Page button; Hit OK on the Test Page successfully sent to printer blah blah blah window.In the "Configure-KDE Control Module"-window you may now hit the OK button. You' re done now. You've just installed your printer.Have fun !

striker:This is where the printer installation hung up on me:"Test page successfully sent to printer. Wait until printing is complete, then click the OK button."I waited through two phone calls, fruitlessly, for the printer to start.As I said before, Windows XP on this laptop prints ok, so I assume I am properly connected at the cable router where the Sony desktop is also connected. The Sony does print from PCLinuxOS 93 "daddy".In the "Backend selection" window I have tried the other selections without success because I don't know how to fill in some of the required information. "Help" not only starts off on the wrong foot (it's first page window is not like the current one), but doesn't cover installation as you have in your clear instructions.I appreciate your taking so much time to help me.albrtijo Edited September 18, 2006 by albrtijo

[striker]

striker:This is where the printer installation hung up on me:"Test page successfully sent to printer. Wait until printing is complete, then click the OK button."I waited through two phone calls, fruitlessly, for the printer to start.As I said before, Windows XP on this laptop prints ok, so I assume I am properly connected at the cable router where the Sony desktop is also connected. The Sony does print from PCLinuxOS 93 "daddy".In the "Backend selection" window I have tried the other selections without success because I don't know how to fill in some of the required information. "Help" not only starts off on the wrong foot (it's first page window is not like the current one), but doesn't cover installation as you have in your clear instructions.I appreciate your taking so much time to help me.albrtijo

I'm guessing here you were trying the other options in the backend selection window?Am I right in understanding that the printer is connected to the laptop through a print server? Or is the printer connected straight to the laptop? What connection are you using, parallel,USB?I' ll try to come up with something else after reading your reply tomorrow morning.

[albrtijo]

I'm guessing here you were trying the other options in the backend selection window?Am I right in understanding that the printer is connected to the laptop through a print server? Or is the printer connected straight to the laptop? What connection are you using, parallel,USB?I' ll try to come up with something else after reading your reply tomorrow morning.

When "Local Printer" didn't work, I tried the others, but never entered all the the right info to get any of them completed..Both printers are connected to the same rinternet outer by USBs. This is my internet cable router which is also wireless. I connect to it via wireless with another laptop in the backroom, but never tried printing from there.Since the front room Toshiba can activate the printer through Windows XP, I assume I have the cable connections right.I have a feeling that I'm not getting the right address from the laptop to the printer, but what do I know?Your help when you can get to it, is welcome.albrtijo

[striker]

That's easy to find out. Just connect the laptop straight (directly) to the printer (without anything else in between) and repeat the steps I outlined above. If it wants to print then, we know we have to look elsewhere. If not however, then we may have another problem. But this way we could rule out one of them, so please try it like I described at the beginning of this reply.I'm very curious what's the outcome of this.

[albrtijo]

That's easy to find out. Just connect the laptop straight (directly) to the printer (without anything else in between) and repeat the steps I outlined above. If it wants to print then, we know we have to look elsewhere. If not however, then we may have another problem. But this way we could rule out one of them, so please try it like I described at the beginning of this reply.I'm very curious what's the outcome of this.

striker, nope, with connecting the Toshiba laptop directly to HPpsc25003-in-one I went successfully through the install, but I couldn't print.As I reported, I can print from Windows XP, and I have printed from otherLinux OS on this Toshiba laptop. On the Sony desktop beside me I can printfrom PCLinuxOS 93 "daddy" installed from the same ISO as used to install onthis laptop.FYI printing from the laptop is not as much of a necessity as it is an ego needto learn Linux. So please don't spend time you shouldn't spare. BUT, I'll acceptany ideas you have, meanwhile I'll keep pluggin' away.Thank you very much. albrtijo

[zlim]

Printer set up for mine to work (print server gizmo attached to parallel port of printer then by ethernet between gizmo and router).KDE Control Center, you can have scan the network for the printer so you have the correct address. I put in 192.168.1.* port 9100. It complained about wanting to use maybe a 127 address but I ignored the complaints. Also you will note that CUPS is on localhost port 631.I have my printer set up as NETWORK (TCP) that is the only choice that works so I can print from 2 maybe three linux installs on 3 computers (PCLos, Mephis, and maybe Vector - I don't print much from that computer so I don't remember if I have Vector set up).

Edited September 19, 2006 by zlim

[striker]

Good one Liz, thanks! albrtijo,In the PCC (PCLinuxOS Control Center) : SystemClick "Configure System Services".Check that:- CUPS is running- CUPS is starting on boot (checkmark in check box)Back In the PCC (PCLinuxOS Control Center) : HardwareClick "Configure printers, print job queues, etc".Are there any printers listed?In the KDE Control Center:Open up System, click Service Discovery.On the General tab: is Browse local network checked?Under Publishing Mode at the low portion of the same tab, is Local Network checked?When you installed PClos, during install was the printer detected and were you offered to set it up automatically? Can you remember what you did there?

[striker]

Did you see this:http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/HPPrinterScannerAlso see this:http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/CompatiblePrintersYour model is supported in PCLinuxOS !Also found something more interesting (I hope?):http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/WindowsP...ingWithoutSambaBTW: That' s a beautifull piece of equipment you have there !(saw it here: http://www.levi.cz/image/HPPSC2510.jpg)

Edited September 20, 2006 by striker

[albrtijo]

Did you see this:http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/HPPrinterScannerAlso see this:http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/CompatiblePrintersYour model is supported in PCLinuxOS !Also found something more interesting (I hope?):http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/WindowsP...ingWithoutSambaBTW: That' s a beautifull piece of equipment you have there !(saw it here: http://www.levi.cz/image/HPPSC2510.jpg)

Geez, striker, all I did was Synaptic up hplip and its 3 cronies (whether they're needed or not), popup Kwrite, run a row of zzzzzzzzzzz, click print, the HP spit the paper with the zzzzzzzzzzz on the floor.It's possible if I had been a little patient, the HP might have printed without my help.Thanks for finding: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/HPPrinterScannerA possible explanation: in the PCLos Control Center, I noticed the other day when we were scroungin' around that the printer setup window showed the HP setup and ready. All it neededwas the hplip reinstall.Now I'm off to check the scanner. The printer setup kept telling me it couldn't install the scanner.We'll see.Thanks very much.albrtijo

[striker]

You' re welcome. That wiki is a real treasure grove.

[albrtijo]

You' re welcome. That wiki is a real treasure grove.

After we had succeeded in getting my HP psc 2510 to print from my Sony desktop and my Toshiba laptop, I was off to butt my nose against the next problem Linux had for me. I could print from both machines, I thought.When time came for me to print something from the laptop, the *$^^#% wouldn't print. It would send instructions to the printer, but the printer wouldn't move.I worked for a week on it. Today I tried and retried, but no matter how I set up, the printer slept. I was sneaking a peek at some of the setup info on the desktop computer when I noticed 192.168.1.104!!!!! a number I had written down while working on the laptop.I went to the laptop and tried printing, the HP jumped at the chance. I checked the setup data on the laptop and everything was filled out including Under "Server Name" 192.168.1.104.I restarted the laptop, went to printer setup and "Server Name" had become "localhost", but it still printed. until I turned off the desktop.I suppose that problem has to do with the router connections. Which means I'll have to study up on that setup; I can't remember much about it. My memory and the leaking sieve are relatives.Is there someway to connect the laptop and desktop to the router so either can access the printer without both boxes being on.I hope that's a sensible question.albrtijo

[zlim]

What exactly has the address 192.168.1.104?I have a notebook and a desktop wired to my router and the printer is attached to another port via a parallel to ethernet connector.I have my printer set up in KDECC (not PCLCC) as a network printer TCP my printer has the static address of 192.168.1.100 port 9100 so each computer looks for it there. I do not need my desktop on to print from the notebook and I do not need my notebook on to print from the desktop.You need to use the address of the printer not the desktop or laptop to print. If the address keeps changing, assign the printer an address in your router so each computer will keep using the same address no matter what is on or off.

[albrtijo]

What exactly has the address 192.168.1.104?I have a notebook and a desktop wired to my router and the printer is attached to another port via a parallel to ethernet connector.I have my printer set up in KDECC (not PCLCC) as a network printer TCP my printer has the static address of 192.168.1.100 port 9100 so each computer looks for it there. I do not need my desktop on to print from the notebook and I do not need my notebook on to print from the desktop.You need to use the address of the printer not the desktop or laptop to print. If the address keeps changing, assign the printer an address in your router so each computer will keep using the same address no matter what is on or off.

My latest printer frolic:1. The desktop and the printer off.2. Turned on the laptop. In both PCL and KDE Control Centers, there is no printer installed.3 Turned on printer. Still no printer installed in either Control Center.4. Turned on desktop. Printer now installed on laptop.Now if I can figure how to install a printer on the laptop with the dektop off. Which I've been fumbling with for a week.In regard to liz's suggestions,The laptop, desktop and printer are wired to the router. (As I've said: the router operation became foggy to me long ago. If necessary, I'll have to undertake a refresher course.)If I recall right the router outputs through the desktop, then to the internet cable modem. And inputs from the modem to the desktop to the router.Before I say any more that might mean nothing, I'll yell:Help!albrtijo

[zlim]

Actually, you should be able to get to the router settings from any computer. (I know what you mean about foggy and router operations because this entire network/router/modem/IP table is one huge black hole to me).If you have the printer set up as a local printer - then the notebook will assume it is attached to the desktop, not the router. Turn the desktop off. Turn on the printer and the laptop. Go to KDECC and click peripherals/printer. Make sure you click administrator mode before you do anything else. Click the add and select printer/class.Put the selection at Network printer(TCP) this is because the printer is attached to the router, not local to the desktop.In the next box, towards the middle, at the network scan, click on settings and put in 192.168.1 then click scan. You'll get a warning about it not being the subnet - ignore this and scan anyway. When it is done, you will see your printer's address in the original box in the left column. Highlight it and the printer address and port will be filled in. Click next and it will build a driver database - select your model and you should now have a networked printer on your notebook - no need to keep the desktop on.

[albrtijo]

Actually, you should be able to get to the router settings from any computer. (I know what you mean about foggy and router operations because this entire network/router/modem/IP table is one huge black hole to me).If you have the printer set up as a local printer - then the notebook will assume it is attached to the desktop, not the router. Turn the desktop off. Turn on the printer and the laptop. Go to KDECC and click peripherals/printer. Make sure you click administrator mode before you do anything else. Click the add and select printer/class.Put the selection at Network printer(TCP) this is because the printer is attached to the router, not local to the desktop.In the next box, towards the middle, at the network scan, click on settings and put in 192.168.1 then click scan. You'll get a warning about it not being the subnet - ignore this and scan anyway. When it is done, you will see your printer's address in the original box in the left column. Highlight it and the printer address and port will be filled in. Click next and it will build a driver database - select your model and you should now have a networked printer on your notebook - no need to keep the desktop on.

Liz,Hey, you hit the nail on the head -- and you're a girl -- wow!I printed your directions for the ever possible future albrtijo mess-up.Thank you with kisses, girlie.albrtijo

[zlim]

I've set up my printer in so many distros in different computers that I sorta have that one figured out - not to mention all the notes I have on what to do and what not to do.I'm glad you are printing from the laptop with the desktop turned off.

[striker]

Perfect Liz !