crp Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 The Nightmare on Connected Home Street I don't have anything to add. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 So glad someone knows my concerns about this mess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I don't even leave vampire electronics powered up in my home. It'll be a long, cold day in H3LL (probably not in my lifetime) before my house becomes the Internet connected nightmare described in this article. I like being a Luddite. I even have a stupid phone. There's no computer controlling my truck. There are days when I seriously consider canceling my Internet service and getting rid of these boxes sitting on my desk in here and out in my shop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) I don't even leave vampire electronics powered up in my home. house becomes the Internet connected nightmare described in this article. I like being a Luddite . . . It's not being a Luddite, it's that I can't stand the implied loss of control. I don't want my house to "learn" when I want the temperature changed, like some of the thermostats I've seen recently, I want to decide myself, and tell the thermostat. Sure, I program the thermostat, but I do it myself and not infrequently change it manually for various reasons. I HATE the idea of a "connected" house "learning" my habits because it's "connected" and there's all sorts of privacy issues and because I'm in charge, not the darned house. Edited June 16, 2014 by ebrke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 They’re rustic, and don’t even have high energy automobile docks. But the idea of getting off the grid really appeals to me, even if it’s just a fantasy. Ha ha I always thought my life was like living a fantasy but it seems it is true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I have to absolutely have self-control. No way will there be any outside interference with my shack . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 A man's (or woman's) home is his (or her) castle, not some data snarfing operation for some "do no evil" mega corporation that wants to make GIGABILLIONS of $$$ off you and your habits and then use that money to become rulers of the galaxy (think of that Death Star thing in Star Wars). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Daggone right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Idiotic crap carp! http://youtu.be/wo9Q-1VVfko Coming to a vending machine and your home eventually... Edited June 17, 2014 by LilBambi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Hmm... you posted "crap." I've been typing "carp" for years here because I could have sword that crap was a banned word. You learn new carp every day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 There ya go. All fixie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 HAHAHA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Idiotic crap carp! [...] Hmm... you posted "crap." I've been typing "carp" for years here because I could have sword that crap was a banned word. You learn new carp every day. That was my 1st reaction too! crap is now accepted, though D*** is still not.and evidently one can't swear in the past tense either Edited June 17, 2014 by crp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Crap never was a curse word. It means of very poor quality OR excrement. I only fixed it to be funny. As far as curse words go, it might be considered about as much a curse word as darn, or h3ll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Shucks. Jeepers, Wally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Well, in the true sense of the word, what that machine's selling is crap. As far as the vendors "swaying" me is concerned, I'm here to say it would "sway" me right on by to be presented with ads at the machine. I'm glad I'm as old as I am--I'm definitely not ready for this brave new world that's acomin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I'm glad I'm as old as I am--I'm definitely not ready for this brave new world that's acomin'. Me too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 " Brave New World " It's blinkin well here already. 10$ java. 100$ tank fill. Humungous taxes. Homeless families on every corner.Leaky Nuclear plants. I'm not dead yet. Polluted tap water. The list is eeeeeennnnnnnnnnndddddddddlllllleeeeeeeeessssssssss. Better Times Are Coming :hysterical: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 You're such an optimist, Cap'n. Have the rats been leaping out of the scuppers yet? Should I check the hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 10$ java??? java is free. buggy and far,far,far,far from its roots but still free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 10$ java??? java is free. buggy and far,far,far,far from its roots but still free. java=coffee. Really you old timers need to get with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 You're such an optimist, Cap'n. Have the rats been leaping out of the scuppers yet? Should I check the hold? The Rum bottle broke and they are leaving with big hangovers .Burnt paws . and the ships cat is laughing her head off. She is off watch for the foreseeable future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's not being a Luddite, it's that I can't stand the implied loss of control. I don't want my house to "learn" when I want the temperature changed, like some of the thermostats I've seen recently, I want to decide myself, and tell the thermostat. Sure, I program the thermostat, but I do it myself and not infrequently change it manually for various reasons. I HATE the idea of a "connected" house "learning" my habits because it's "connected" and there's all sorts of privacy issues and because I'm in charge, not the darned house. This is a huge concern with these types of products. When the Nest thermostat came out, it was not known to be "phoning home" as it is known to do now. Perhaps that was added with the recent software update. In any case it was originally designed to monitor the activity in the house and optimize the heating/cooling to match the activity. Naturally, it could be overridden. The reason this was a novel idea is that many do not know how to properly program their programmable thermostat, and as such, waste a lot of energy heating/cooling the house when it was not necessary. The thermostat was supposed to use local weather data from the internet and its activity sensors to learn the patterns in the house, and then use that information to optimize the heating/cooling schedule. The schedule is also editable. I am in no way advocating for the collection of data gleaned from the thermostats. It was not known at the beginning that this collection was taking place, and that is unfortunate. The thermostat was supposed to be connected only enough to accomplish its tasks. Adam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 There is an anti burglar system called " phone watch." That's one reason I dumped the land line I'm not keen on outsider I don't know . Looking in on my activities. Might be OK for superstars . But not for lidl-ol-me. Nuttin wurt steelyn aniway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 http://betanews.com/2014/06/23/googles-nest-thermostat-hacked-with-linux-backdoor-enabled-on-device/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The site further explains, "our attack on the Nest thermostat is simple, we use the device's recovery mode to run our own modified boot-loader (stage one and two). We then use our loaded boot-loaders to initiate a Linux kernel that is used to modify the file system on the Nest. We then add a SSH server running as root as well as functionality to create a reverse SSH tunnel to a specified host using the Nest's virtual drive". Note that this hack requires physical access to the Nest itself. This is not something that could be done over the internet. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hello, I have a webinar (talk) coming up that will be discussing IoT threats tomorrow. URL is https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/1718/110971. Anyone is welcome to attend. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) This is a huge concern with these types of products. When the Nest thermostat came out, it was not known to be "phoning home" as it is known to do now. Perhaps that was added with the recent software update. In any case it was originally designed to monitor the activity in the house and optimize the heating/cooling to match the activity. Naturally, it could be overridden. The reason this was a novel idea is that many do not know how to properly program their programmable thermostat, and as such, waste a lot of energy heating/cooling the house when it was not necessary. The thermostat was supposed to use local weather data from the internet and its activity sensors to learn the patterns in the house, and then use that information to optimize the heating/cooling schedule. The schedule is also editable. I am in no way advocating for the collection of data gleaned from the thermostats. It was not known at the beginning that this collection was taking place, and that is unfortunate. The thermostat was supposed to be connected only enough to accomplish its tasks. Adam Yep, it wasn't known that TiVo was watching your clicks, habits, etc. when it first came out too. And of course, once it came out, many who had it had put good money out and didn't want to lose the value. So they said they didn't care about that. I like this quote from crp's posted betanews article (actually the whole article, but this one in particular): I am not scared of the technology, but of the hackers. You see, anything connected to the internet has the capability of being hacked or exploited. This makes me hesitant to embrace the connected home. Think I'm crazy? Think again. Today, popular Google TV hacking site GTV Hacker, announces it has hacked the device to enable the booting of unsigned code. If you own a Nest, hackers could have a backdoor into your home. Any product that can spy on you in one way or another, can also be hacked and abused by criminal hackers or government entities. Edited June 25, 2014 by LilBambi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 As I posted above, this hack is not one that could be exploited from the internet, but when you have physical access to the device. It also requires you to put it into DFU (Device Firmware Update) mode. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Sure but that's not true of every hack out there for connected hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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