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#26 OFFLINE   jong357

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 12:46 AM

Hey... Cool... I think you'll be happy with Mandrake if your just coming off of Windoze... I'll throw my two cents in..... I'll warn everyone right now.... I have a tendency to post REALLY long... When I first started on Linux, people would post a reply assuming I was a rocket scientist or something.... "Hey, guy.... I just got off of windows... What the **** are you talking about?" People just blow hot air when they do that....Anyway......If you have "unallocated space" (not assigned to a partition) on your hard drive, it makes it MUCH easier.... If not, you can do a good defrag or TWO and then use FIPS, which is on your 1st Mandrake disk I believe.... There are 2 folders with FIPS. One is for FAT32(fips15?) and the Other is for NTFS(fips20?).... FIPS will steal free space from a Windows partition and make a new, seperate partition from it... Using Windoze for years got me accustomed to formatting all the time. I prefer to just wipe the entire hard drive and start fresh... I'm a backup freak and it doesn't bother me..... Install Windows first, whatever you do. Makes life easier all around... Linux will see Windows and want to play nice, but Windows..... Eh..... You'll corrupt your MBR and Linux will no longer boot if you install Linux first without backing up your MBR ( Master Boot Record )... The install process for Drake is really straight forward.... Has great hardware support.... I prefer to "Manually partition with Disk Druid"..... If you have it automattically do it, It will eat up your entire hard drive..... Here's what I do.... I use 98se for games..... Xp for all my trial software that I'm too cheap to buy.... I format Xp every 30 days and then reinstall Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Blindwrite, ect.......... And a shared partiton for "programs". Then I use Red Hat for my every day to day OS.... Web, Email, Office apps, what have you..... Once you install your Windows(or already have free space available that's not on your windows partition....) Boot up with your Mandrake CD.... Pick the "Manually partiton with disk druid"... Make a " / " partition with "atleast 2 gb." of space on the default etc3 file system. Mandrake uses 1.7 gb on a "personal desktop" install.... By the way... 2k uses under 1gb of space, not including your swap. 2 gb. of 2k is PLENTY if you install all your programs to another "shared" partition". If your not going to maunally install tarballs (.tar.gz) and throw them on your "shared partition", ie- use rpms to install, you'll want to have atleast 3 gb. for your root partition ( "/").... Hope I'm not loosing you.... you have 40 gb. hard drive? Just use 3-4 gb. for " / ".... and a few hundred Mb. for swap, which can be found under the "file system" drop down menu........ Don't really need a " /boot" partition...... If Disk Druid whines about it, just allocate 10-20 Mb. for " /boot".... You don't need one tho.....  This is getting really long... Sorry.... I'm thinking back to my days when I just quit suckling from bill and felt like a babe in the woods. That feeling kept me from going to Linux for almost a year.... IT'S NOT THAT HARD!!!!! No matter what Uncle Bill may have you believe.... Once you have your " / " and your " swap " partitions set, plow forward..... Once you hit your boot loader screen, select "lilo" or "grub". I think Lilo is default for Drake.... I kinda' like Grub better, but they are both good.... Install Grub or Lilo on your MBR....You should see "DOS" and "Linux something or other" listed as OS's...... Take this oppurtunity to "EDIT" the "DOS" to "Windows" or whatever you want to call Windows... Pick your default OS (indicated by the check mark).... If you turn on your computer and then walk away, this is the one that will be loaded when you return..... If you have more than 2 Windows OS's, don't worry... They are both there..... Once you start your computer, you'll hit the boot loader screen and as soon as you pick "Windows" or "DOS", it will load the MS boot loader and you can pick which MS OS from there..... Whew....... I told you guy's, I post REALLY long..... I never assume that someone knows about Linux until they say so, or give me the impression that they know......... As for the shared partition, I ussually do that in windows Xp or 2K thru Control Panel/Administrative Tools/ Computer Management/Disk Management...... It's a good idea to format in "FAT32", Otherwise, boot up with a DOS floppy and FDISK... Create your "shared" partition there..... O.k.... Done.... Sorry...... Lot's of people here who will walk you thru it.... Good luck..... I'll try to tone it down in the future.... I get carried away sometimes..... ;) Jon

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:11 AM

Wow you weren't kidding when you said you like to post long post.  Glad to have ya aboard and hope you keep on posting.

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 01:50 AM

jong357 ----  WOW!!!!!!  I'll have to read all that after I sleep.  I'm finished with mid shift in 15 min and all my brain cares about is the pillow!!!but on a sad note, I was not able to get the images burned this morning.   ;) Everyone, Thanks for all the advice so far.  I'll be dreaming about it today....  ZZZZZZzzzzz

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:23 AM

Errr..... O.k...... You are using Xp???? I forget whether or not you mentioned... 2k? I use Roxio Easy Cd Creator...... It comes with Xp......  Every image I've downloaded has been an Easy Cd Creator image, or just a recognizable extension that Roxio tags an icon to.......... Has a picture of a hard drive with a disk overlapping it?????? It's just an image file that most burning software will recognize... If your using Roxio, all you have to do is double click on the image file and off you go...... Nero..... You have to...um....... Bruno knows about nero more than I do, but it's easy thru that as well..... I used it for about 2 seconds....Geez...... Not too much help here... What burning software are you using, by the way? Jon

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 07:18 AM

the box I'm installing on has win2k.  but I downloaded at work and burned there.  with nero.  no problem there, I believe.  I've been using nero for a few years.  I should have the disks this evening if I can count on 2 other people.  I think I can.  B)  Only probelm is that I couldn't verify the download with the md5 (or whatever it is).  so if I got lucky, I'll be a Linux fool by midnight!!  B) I'm going to get my puter ready now.  Decided against a new install of windows....leave well enough alone, and all that.So, just to confirm.  I will "unallocate" what is now my E: (14.6 GB) drive for Mandrake.  So my hard drive will look like:C:  win2k   NTFS  11.9 gbD:  DATA    FAT32 (for both wind2k and Mandrake)  11.7 gbE:  Mandrake    14.6  gbdoes anyone see a problem with this??

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:05 AM

Looks good to me beeTee !As for the 14.6 for Mandrake; let Mandrake devide that in 3G ¨ / ¨ and the rest ¨ /home ¨ !Chosing packages; do ALL on the left side and leave the default ones in the right colum ! ( that is if you do not want to run a mail- or webserver !B) Bruno

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:23 AM

Good news!!!  I just got off the phone with a computer guru (and friend of mine) and he will bring me a complete new and latest version of SuSE (original DVD set) this afternoon.  SO I should have a both. Mandrake 9.1 (although I don't yet know if the images were "good" or not).I'm backing up now.  Should be ready to start NLT 2100 L (1900z) or 3:00 PM East Coast. B)  B) It's unbelievable how many Views a new linux install generates!!  153 to date!!  I feel like I'm on display.  Better don my shades. B) Where can I go to find me a penguin avatar??

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:26 AM

NOOO!!!! NO MORE PENGUINS!!!!  B)  B)  B)  B)

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:29 AM

Google for tux gif or:http://gererstorfer....ent/tux/tux.htmWarning: Avatars over 20K not allowed !B) Bruno

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:37 AM

Looks good. When you partition, choose to do it manually so you have more control over your partitions. My recommendations for partitions and mount points would be the following (although Bruno may have a different opinion) is this:/boot         100MB /                500MB /usr           3GB /usr/local   4GB/home         5GB/var            1.5GB/tmp            500MBswap           250-521MB depending on how much RAM you have

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:37 AM

with SuSE's install, there is no "Disk Druid", but at one stage of the install, it asks to confirm SuSE's default partition setup, so either choose OK if it looks good, or click Edit or Advanced or something like that to split up the free space into /  /swap /usr /home.  I also had 14gb, and i think i went 1gb for /, 500mb for swap, 3gb for /usr and rest for /home, if i remember correctly.also, just so you dont get confused, SuSE's default is Reiser file system instead of the usual ext3 FS (maybe its a german preferrence), and GRUB is the default one.  LiLo is available too,  but I havent tried it and Grub did a nice job detecting my dual boot win98se/winXP.for install packages, i just went with default, and after i had it all runing, starting add a few and trying them out. actually, with all the stuff on the DVD, it will take me til christmas to go thru all the programs.  :lol: also note, to get nicer looking fonts, install MS Fonts in the package.  I didnt realize it was there, so i downloaded an RPM from the net, but it also worked fine.  I dont know why its not selected by default.  could be licensing issues.

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:40 AM

Peachy, on May 16 2003, 07:37 AM, said:

Looks good. When you partition, choose to do it manually so you have more control over your partitions. My recommendations for partitions and mount points would be the following (although Bruno may have a different opinion) is this:/boot         100MB /                500MB /usr           3GB /usr/local   4GB/home         5GB/var            1.5GB/tmp            500MBswap           250-521MB depending on how much RAM you have
I followed Papa Penguin's advice, but i'm just curious.what is /var partition?/boot is just if you will have several distros, right?whats dif between having /usr and /usr/local?and last question, I thought /swap was same as /temp. difference?

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 09:03 AM

My advive: If this is your very first Linux install, and you have not used Linux before; KEEP IT SIMPLE ! You will be installing an other version or distro soon anyway, then at that time, as you have learned a bit, a more compley lay-out is preferable ! But take little steps at a time.Just 2 cents ( maybe a bit more ):lol: Bruno

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 09:55 AM

Prelude76, on May 16 2003, 08:40 AM, said:

what is /var partition?/boot is just if you will have several distros, right?whats dif between having /usr and /usr/local?and last question, I thought /swap was same as /temp. difference?
/var is where the log files from running processes are kept. The idea to put it in a separate partition is for security and backup. If you wipe out your distro and reinstall, you can leave /var intact to keep all the old logs. Seperating /usr/local out from /usr means that if you reinstall, you can keep all your apps you previously downloaded and installed without having to re-download them. When you compile most apps from source, they tend to install in /usr/local. I also keep all my .tar.gz source files in /usr/local/src. swap is the swap partition which is quite different from a /tmp or /temp partition. Again separating /tmp into its own partition is a preference. But logically, this makes good filesystem practice because it's easier to do backups of the partitions with the critical data and exclude the non-critical stuff. If you had everything in / then you'd either backup the whole / partition or individual directories. By seperating them out into different partitions you can specify the exact partition. This is analogous to having c:\ for Windows system files, d:\ for apps, and e:\ for data.

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 10:06 AM

D***, Peachy.  you gave me $10 worth.  Do you need $9.98 change or can I just keep it all?   :lol: my IQ jumps up each time i read this forum

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 03:06 PM

Hi Everyone,I'm running late.  Mainly my daughter mustered up a little more energy than expected.Prelude, Your comments are helping very much.  I "watched" your installation, so any questions you put our are helping me.Peachy, thanks for the partition/mount point (does mount points translate into directory structure in windows, i doubt it) advice.  Do I do this on install??  can it be done later with little to no pain??Bruno, If the breakdown as Peachy laid out is not to painful, then I'd like to give it a try.I've got here in my greedy little hands SuSE Linux Pro 8.2  Should I use the 1 cd DVD install, or the 6 CD set install.Thanks in advance.  I'm looking at another hour.  Do I need to format my D:drive first to fat32, or will the installation offer this (like windows does)???

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 03:11 PM

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Do I need to format my D:drive first to fat32
No linux will take care of that and format it in ext3 or reiserfs !

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Bruno, If the breakdown as Peachy laid out is not to painful, then I'd like to give it a try.
Sure, go ahaid !

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Should I use the 1 cd DVD install, or the 6 CD set install.
Use the DVD, saves you changing the CD´s all the time !Good LuckB) Bruno

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 03:15 PM

Bruno, on May 16 2003, 09:11 PM, said:

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Do I need to format my D:drive first to fat32
No linux will take care of that and format it in ext3 or reiserfs !Good Luck
OK, but will my windows be able to read/write to this drive.  I gotta get better at asking my questions!!!!  :ph34r:

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 03:17 PM

You've got C: Windows/D: Data/E: linux right?  then yes you'd want your D: drive as Fat32...If you're just using C: Windows/D: linux then windows won't be able to read the Linux partition no matter what, so you don't need to format it :)

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 03:50 PM

beeTee, on May 16 2003, 03:06 PM, said:

Peachy, thanks for the partition/mount point (does mount points translate into directory structure in windows, i doubt it) advice.  Do I do this on install??  can it be done later with little to no pain??
Actually, yes and no. The idea is analogous but not in 1:1 sort of way. Windows 2000 and XP can do mount points ala Linux. It's called reparse points. Basically you can mount a partition or disk into a folder in NTFS. For example, I could have a second partition or disk called d:\ . I could create a folder called c:\apps and then mount the d:\ into c:\apps. Thus I can write data on my d:\ but use c:\apps as the place to put them.

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 03:59 PM

beeTee, on May 16 2003, 02:06 PM, said:

Prelude, Your comments are helping very much.  I "watched" your installation, so any questions you put our are helping me.I've got here in my greedy little hands SuSE Linux Pro 8.2  Should I use the 1 cd DVD install, or the 6 CD set install.Thanks in advance.  I'm looking at another hour.  Do I need to format my D:drive first to fat32, or will the installation offer this (like windows does)???
"watched?"  :)   I feel like i'm in Truman Show.  :)   too much exposure from Scott  :) i wont be back til monday night, unfortunately..  we have a long weekend up here in canadaCD or DVD dont matter, just a few programs load by default...installation does it all.. very helpful... good luck!

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 04:05 PM

THis is going to clarify how much I understood Peachys last post.  When I tried to delete the partition in disk management, it told me that I would have to change my boot.ini file.  I searched for it to see what I was getting into, and I DIDN'T find one!!

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 06:47 PM

beeTee, on May 16 2003, 04:05 PM, said:

THis is going to clarify how much I understood Peachys last post.  When I tried to delete the partition in disk management, it told me that I would have to change my boot.ini file.  I searched for it to see what I was getting into, and I DIDN'T find one!!
Which partition would that be, again?

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 06:48 PM

hello???  HELLO!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!I am writing this from my NEW SuSE Linux OS.   :D  :D What I am actually doing with it, only time will tell, but my ISDN card workded the first time, much more painlessly than in windows.   B) now to look around a little bit!! :blink:  :unsure:  :blink:  :unsure:

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 06:51 PM

Congratulations beeTee !Good job !Come on beeTee tell us about it. The full story, how does it look, how does it feel etc.etc. ! :unsure: Bruno




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