striker Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 I happen to see more messages stating Hardy is buggy, GG was better, and more of this statements. Personally I have had a couple of problems with Hardy too when I had it installed, but I don't have any experience with Gutsy. (my last experience with Ubuntu goes way back to Dapper) Anyway, what's your opinion on this : was GG indeed better than HH ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) For me, Feisty Fawn 7.04 has been a 'sweet spot'. Starting with Gutsy, I saw the distro lose some of its cherished features. For example, it was less good at detecting and setting up a machine's Ethernet. For you networking gurus, that may not be a big deal, but it is to me! At least twice now, I recall intending to install Gutsy but instead installing Feisty due to this issue. In fairness, I do not always see this, it is only on a minority of machines. I only wish that Feisty was an LTS (long time support) release like Dapper, however.OTOH printer detection has gotten a little better in later releases. But the overall impression of the live CD environment has consistently taken a hit with newer releases. Feisty just 'feels' better.I just did a small update to Feisty on this machine. For one thing, they are pushing out the patch for the SSL security 'oops'. After that was done, the package manager informed me of a new version 7.10, not 8.04. Interesting. I don't know the full significance of this, however, but why isn't it offering Hardy? Oh, well- I'd clean install in any case... Edited May 21, 2008 by Cluttermagnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Hardy is the first distro with support for my laptop's ACPI...... so I'd say that it is pretty good...... ;)Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porthugh Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Here's a review/comparison of Gutsy and Hardy with other users comments and criticisms at the end.I'm waiting for my free Ubuntu and Kubuntu disks to arrive. I nearly always try a Ubuntu release but after a while I get fed up and return willingly to PcLinuxOS - and it isn't because I have to do more work with Ubuntu, because I am using MiniMe 2008 at present and have had a moment or two of frustration when I try to do something that was present in the full release.We really are spoiled rotten with PCLinuxOs. There is much that we take for granted.Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryFCM Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I've been trying Ubuntu (amongst many other distro's) since 4.10, and am finding them getting more and more bloated with each release (installed 8.04 on my laptop, and it nicked 10GB out of my 17GB free space :evil: ).On the plus side however, 8.04 seems to load considerably faster than the 6.x and 7.x releases (currently have 7.10 running as a server, but am planning to upgrade it (or switch to an alternative) once I get more RAM for the server (only has 256MB Ram)).Which reminds me, got a post to do myself for a major problem I've got with the one on my lappy ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhbell Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I happen to see more messages stating Hardy is buggy, GG was better, and more of this statements. Personally I have had a couple of problems with Hardy too when I had it installed, but I don't have any experience with Gutsy. (my last experience with Ubuntu goes way back to Dapper) Anyway, what's your opinion on this : was GG indeed better than HH ?Well Like any new release there are bound to be bugs. I am running both GG and HH I find that many of the firefox extensions that I use will not work with the firefox version installed in HH. The version installed in HH is FF 3.0b5. many of the older extensions will not work. I tried to install a older version of FF. But it would not work. Don't know why. So I had to keep GG. HH is faster than GG and has a few newer features and is more secure. In time I am sure that they will iron out the bugs. If what you have is working don't fix it..Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Golden Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 "and am finding them getting more and more bloated with each release (installed 8.04 on my laptop, and it nicked 10GB out of my 17GB free space :evil: )."That's odd. A new install on my notebook only needed 2.5GB or so (par for the course with Ubuntu I've found). After installing all the additional software I needed and updating I still only use 3.75GB. I have been using Ubuntu since Breezy Badger. Each new flavor has been better than than the last IMHO. I did have a few minor problems with Hardy at first but they were easily fixed. Having said that I also experienced minor issues with the other versions of Ubuntu when they were released, again easily fixed. The big issue I have with Hardy is the decision to make FireFox 3 beta the default web browser. I like to use lot of different extensions in Firefox and there aren't many available for FF3. I know I can uninstall FF3 and install FF2 instead but doing so breaks some of the multi-media functionality of FF3.FF3 will be final released soon and I'd be willing to bet there will be many more extensions available at that time.I do like Hardy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I do like Hardy.Me three. Firefox 3 RC1 is out... a couple of days, and it's gonna hit the repos. But... when it comes to freezing - Firefox or otherwise - the first thing to ask is "do you use Compiz"? I played with it for a while - it's a nifty toy all right - but when I turned it off, occasional [FF] freezings, mouse "thumb button" troubles etc. went away as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 19, 2008 Author Share Posted May 19, 2008 Thank you for taking a minute to reply.I have had it many times installed, uninstalled and tried something else and that sort of things on the notebook, HH that is. I wouldn't bother to even try and install FF2 on it, like one poster mentioned above it'll likely break some MM functionality: I've seen this with Fedora 9 which I happen to run now, but that doesn't imply of course that HH is in the same league. Regarding the extensions compatible with FF 3.0.5b, I made a little list from those who are running on it (and in fact were updated to be compatible to the latest release of FF) and I'm running them without any problems whatsoever. Here's the list (extensions only) : Application: Firefox 3.0b5 (2008042509)Operating System: Linux (x86-gcc3)- Abduction! 2.019- Adblock Plus 0.7.5.4- Adblock Plus: Element Hiding Helper 1.0.4- CacheViewer 0.4.7- CustomizeGoogle 0.72- Extension List Dumper 1.13.1- Fission 0.9.7.1- Flashblock 1.5.6- No-Referer 1.3.1- Server Spy 0.1.5- ShowIP 0.8.07build0249- Throbber Button 1.0- User Agent Switcher 0.6.11- View Dependencies 0.3.3.0(the list above was in fact made with Extension List Dumper, great little gizmo whch offers a lot of possibilities, see for your self once installed, great!)There are a couple of other extensions, but you have to take a look at them your self. The list above contains the one I use on a daily basis and I'm on the look out for the ones still missing, but I'm sure they will get updated once the final FF gets released.Forget the themes for FF 3.0.5b: I've seen three or four but I don't want to even mention them, better have a look your self if in need for one of those.The biggest blunder the Ubuntu folks have made with HH is the fact the fonts are alright, until you either install msttcorefonts: then all of a sudden they get blurry system wide and there's nothing you can do about it. They have confirmed it to be bug, but unfortunately they put it as confirmed only and not as a 'to be fixed´ one. That's a shame, because without these the fonts in FF look horrible, with these fonts you get horrible fonts system wide. Go figure. For me that's the show stopper. Another big mess is the wireless and Network Manager, I've spent countless hours with this piece of junk to no avail. So I've switched to Fedora 9 albeit in 32bits version: this one is also not without its bugs and glitches Seems lately they tend to send out half baken distros, rushed out of the door to just get the six months release date in time; that's a very bad thing happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 ... without these the fonts in FF look horrible,Eh... nope. Well... matter of taste and all that, but see the following screenie:Bottom line: FF 3 with DEFAULT font settings looks awful in Ubuntu, but you don't need msttcorefonts... DejaVu Sans - for example - makes things legible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 If I were running Hardy without the msttfcorefonts, isn't it true that gLabels would stop working? (fail to print out) I recall that I had this trouble with gLabels back in Dapper, and perhaps also true for Feisty. Adding the msttf stuff was a necessary fix back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryFCM Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 hehe, can't stand FF myself, so the first thing I did when it installed, was install Opera (didn't know about Epiphany at the time (looks nice n simple)).All I need to do now is figure out how to convert the extension pack I wrote for Avant/IE, to work on Opera/Epiphany (gonna install the latter when I get some free time, and have a play with it).@Frank Golden,Could it be because I installed it with Wubi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Clutter,Here's what I just did: instead of installing the REALLY OLD version from the repos, I installed from getdeb (with gdebi, first glabels-data , then glabels... even though they are "Gutsy packages", they install and work purrfectly - and nope, I don't have msttcorefonts installed).http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 It's a relief to hear that, because I like gLabels a lot. I'll look into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Golden Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 @Frank Golden,Could it be because I installed it with Wubi?I bet that's why you used so much disc space. Try installing from the LiveCD or alternate CD. As a side note earlier versions of Ubuntu LiveCD gave errors for me (failed to install type errors) when installing from the LiveCD. I was forced to the alternate CD. Ever since Gutsy that is not an issue anymore. Install from the LiveCD is a breeze now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmas Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 not only that, but it seems to translate dialog boxes to Finnish! What's the cliché... ah, yes: it's not a bug, it's a feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank Golden Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Me three. Firefox 3 RC1 is out... a couple of days, and it's gonna hit the repos. But... when it comes to freezing - Firefox or otherwise - the first thing to ask is "do you use Compiz"? I played with it for a while - it's a nifty toy all right - but when I turned it off, occasional [FF] freezings, mouse "thumb button" troubles etc. went away as well. Hi Urmas, Thanks for the heads-up about FF3 RC1. I have the portable version installed on my XP partition and on a flash drive, just updated them to the RC. Looking forward to seeing it in the Hardy repos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I happen to see more messages stating Hardy is buggy, GG was better, and more of this statements. Personally I have had a couple of problems with Hardy too when I had it installed, but I don't have any experience with Gutsy. (my last experience with Ubuntu goes way back to Dapper) Anyway, what's your opinion on this : was GG indeed better than HH ?Well I have only one decent system here (the rest are turn of the century crashboxes), so I want to give my best system the latest version - and that's Hardy.Having done that I do like it better than Gutsy. Hardy is the first version of Ubuntu I've used where the fglrx ATI diver really works. You can have eyecandy or not and it all runs just fine with my Radeon X1250 IGP.Also I really like Firefox 3.0. It's stable and very fast. Most of the multimedia stuff worked great without any futzing around with command line Flash installation.I manage my wireless manually so I haven't had any troubles with Network Manager - but as far as I know that app has always sucked as far back as I have used Ubuntu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 (edited) One of my friends who I do computer support for had an 'incident' where his 5 year old grandson did some minor damage, intentionally dropping power during the earliest stages of Ubuntu Gutsy booting up. It sounds like perhaps he damaged the grub bootloader. Anyway, he says it now hangs at the grub window with an error message. I will look at it later this week. But one revelation during our phone discussion is that he liked Feisty better than he likes Gutsy. I'm going to reinstall Feisty for him. I'll get details later. This a beginner level user who is pretty experienced and does show a lot of common sense and knowledge about his computers, OS's, and applications. He is also security conscious and does a good job securing his machines. I'll be interested to get those details about Gutsy.Personally, I plan to stick with Ubuntu and learn my way past any tough spots with Hardy. But I do regret some of the ramifications of the changes Canonical has made. It makes it harder for me to 'sell' Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular to potential users via a live CD audition. :(Frankly, I'd use the Feisty CD every time. I like my odds of the OS finding all the hardware best with that release.BTW in a separate but related matter, we had the disappointment of seeing a Feisty install turn out to have not found Ethernet on a new Dell Inspiron 530 just recently. A live CD session of Mandriva One Gnome 2008 found the internet just fine. You just never know... Edited May 21, 2008 by Cluttermagnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 I've just loaded GG this morning, experimenting now and see what it does with the fonts and the wifi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Can anyone point me to the cheat codes for Ubuntu?As expected the live CD of HH worked on my desktop, where I don't need it, and hated my laptop where I would consider installing it.The "best" screen resolution supported on the notebook is 800 x 600 (hey I have an eeepc if I wanted small). I have to remove the USB mouse and plug in a PS/2 wired (even an adapter hasn't worked in the past) or it freezes and won't load. I didn't bother seeing if the ethernet worked because I didn't want to stare at a screen with thick black borders around four sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryFCM Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 My desktop machine has that resolution issue too ......... no other distro does, so am ditching it on the machine and considering keeping it on the lappy :)Only cheat codes (I presume you mean terminal commands?) I know of are;http://fosswire.com/2008/04/22/ubuntu-cheat-sheet/http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/refcard-en-a4.pdfI'm sure the seasoned users will know more (and probably better ones) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 I've just loaded GG this morning, experimenting now and see what it does with the fonts and the wifi. Fonts are good. Wifi = useless. GG dumped. End of F9 + Ubuntu+Kubuntu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 No not terminal commands. I have the fosswire and the original printed out and I do look them over.I actually mean cheat codes at bootup. I suspect I have to tell HH to use Vesa and not Xsomething because I don't have anything fancy for graphics. I have notes somewhere, probably in one of the many CD cases with the older Ubuntu CDs. I may have some things written down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhbell Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Can anyone point me to the cheat codes for Ubuntu?As expected the live CD of HH worked on my desktop, where I don't need it, and hated my laptop where I would consider installing it.The "best" screen resolution supported on the notebook is 800 x 600 (hey I have an eeepc if I wanted small). I have to remove the USB mouse and plug in a PS/2 wired (even an adapter hasn't worked in the past) or it freezes and won't load. I didn't bother seeing if the ethernet worked because I didn't want to stare at a screen with thick black borders around four sides.Go to the following link or else boot in safe graphics mode. F-4 should let you choose resolutionMel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyBootloaderReview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) Have there been enough changes to Hardy that the CD release has changed since the first week after release? In other words, would it be worth downloading Hardy once again? Could I expect to see the changes described in the link above on the live CD bootloader splash screen?My version already says Try Ubuntu without any change to your computer Edited May 22, 2008 by Cluttermagnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 I just re-installed it a few hours ago and did not see any difference with the previous installs. (I used a real CD send to me from ShipIt, took only three weeks to be delivered at no cost, AMD 64 bit version)I' m reinstalling a base system to see what I can do with wifi again, now that I found a possible link to two solutions, using an rt61 chip on a DLink AirPLus G DWL-G 630 PCCard.Meanwhile I'm ironing out the quirks I had previously and see where it gets me this time. (no msttcorefonts, no fglrx driver, enable the SWAP file which Hardy forgets to do so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 The release will stay as is. The ony time I have seen an ubuntu re-released is with the recent refresh of Dapper. Other than that, new ISOs are not created until the next version comes out.Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 recent refresh of DapperYou can still download Dapper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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