raymac46 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 The last Debian Testing update I did had about 900 packages being held back. After waiting a week or so I tried an apt full-upgrade which wiped out gnome-desktop and bluetooth. Reinstalled what was previously removed and rebooted and everything seems OK. Running Debian Testing is not for sissies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Hehe, that is pretty wild that it removed gnome and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon James Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 it's good that you knew what was removed! Thanks to Arch adventures in a VM, I try to pay attention to removed packages before hitting the "y" in the terminal. if you don't know what was removed, good luck getting it (or its replacement) re-installed. in those instances, it's often better to just "apt full re-install" (for any new linux users lurking about...i'm joking....there is no such command!). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sunrat Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 This t64 transition is the biggest upheaval of Testing/Sid in living memory. Apparently it is necessary to ensure the future of Linux after 2038 when the current 32-bit time runs out. I guess every other Linux will have to do it in the next 14 years too, probably sooner than later. I'm glad to be on Debian Stable currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 43 minutes ago, sunrat said: This t64 transition is the biggest upheaval of Testing/Sid in living memory. Apparently it is necessary to ensure the future of Linux after 2038 when the current 32-bit time runs out. I guess every other Linux will have to do it in the next 14 years too, probably sooner than later. I'm glad to be on Debian Stable currently. Who the h3ll is running 32bit any thing nowadays??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 As Eric used to say try the "Big Hammer" - nuke and repave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 4 hours ago, securitybreach said: Who the h3ll is running 32bit any thing nowadays??? Audio files are usually 16 bit, 24 bit for hi-res, and 32 bit float for professional production. Has Arch transitioned its packages to 64 bit time? Or does Arch not offer any 32 bit support? Obviously most home and business computers will be 64 bit by 2038 so they are not affected. But Debian supports a variety of architectures, some of which, embedded systems and IoT etc, will remain 32 bit. A good article at LWN - Debian looks forward to 2038 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 10 hours ago, securitybreach said: Who the h3ll is running 32bit any thing nowadays??? The person I just sold a old DELL pc to. I installed MX-23 on it and it had a small ssd with 4 GB ram, perfect for him to mess around with linux on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 8 hours ago, sunrat said: Audio files are usually 16 bit, 24 bit for hi-res, and 32 bit float for professional production. Has Arch transitioned its packages to 64 bit time? Or does Arch not offer any 32 bit support? Obviously most home and business computers will be 64 bit by 2038 so they are not affected. But Debian supports a variety of architectures, some of which, embedded systems and IoT etc, will remain 32 bit. A good article at LWN - Debian looks forward to 2038 Arch hasnt supported 32 bit since November 2017 https://archlinux.org/news/the-end-of-i686-support/ That said, there are some lib32 libraries still around for compatibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 hours ago, abarbarian said: The person I just sold a old DELL pc to. I installed MX-23 on it and it had a small ssd with 4 GB ram, perfect for him to mess around with linux on. So it could only use 3.5gb of the ram, why other with 32bit then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 Probably that old Dell had a 32 bit CPU and couldn't run a 64 bit OS. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 10 hours ago, securitybreach said: So it could only use 3.5gb of the ram, why other with 32bit then? Well the guy wanted a cheap way to play with linux. So I sold him a old square flat screen 4x3 , a 32 bit DELL with a 128 GB ssd for £20. He got a bargain and I cleared some old kit out and made some loot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 7 minutes ago, abarbarian said: Well the guy wanted a cheap way to play with linux. So I sold him a old square flat screen 4x3 , a 32 bit DELL with a 128 GB ssd for £20. He got a bargain and I cleared some old kit out and made some loot. That's cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 12 hours ago, securitybreach said: That's cool. Yeah , that 4x3 was my first monitor, bought way back in 2006. An the Dell was from around that time too. Old kit still useful and showing that you do not need loads of loot to enjoy playing with pc's. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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