Cluttermagnet Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) Hi, All This may or may not belong in the Linux forum. Moderators, please feel free to move it if it's inappropriate here. I recently saw one little 'oops' on my personal website and investigated. Still not clear why this happened, but the site is largely intact, so far- it's just one missing graphic and bunches of other graphics are still there and loading correctly. So I thought to use the Wayback Machine to try to fetch a copy of the graphic, only to be confronted by being told in effect that there are no records of my site (my wording here). I tried all sorts of little permutations in the url but nada. BTW I have all sorts of satellite pages and have not yet tried any other than my main landing page on the Wayback. I'll do that. Has anyone here seen news of any changes overall in how that site is supposedly archiving the net? My page has been up continuously since 1999. It's there, I can access it and other related site pages. What is going on? Could my website ISP have been blacklisted for harboring too much bad stuff? I have run into that on occasion. (Will supply particulars via PM if anyone wants more details, just trying to maintain a shred, at least, of anonymity here). Thanks, Clutter P.S It is a current topic that the Wayback Machine has been under revision with all sorts of stuff being redacted due to the current heavily political climate world wide. I have personally seen undeniable evidence of this happening to controversial info, formerly on line, getting scrubbed. BUT there just is not any controversial material on my personal site, and never has been. It is just a technical site for electronics hobbyists, and more hobby level than academic level stuff. P.P.S. This is a case of a single graphic on my site going missing. And I was having trouble as I played with their online editor substituting another graphic as a test. The ISP wraps some of their carp around my own html code- so they may have been fiddling recently. Looks like I am going to have to struggle a little to relearn their online webpage software interface. I think there must be some subtle changes somewhere. Edited January 30, 2022 by Cluttermagnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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securitybreach Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Well since it has nothing to do with Linux, it should not be posted here. Moving to Social Media: Quote Social Media Social Media will cover all topics related to Social Media, Web 2.0, browsers and web applications, email, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 I haven't the slightest clue how The Wayback Machine website works or what factors they use to determine what gets archived. I seriously doubt they have the ability to archive every site on the Internet since its beginning, so... who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, V.T. Eric Layton said: I haven't the slightest clue how The Wayback Machine website works or what factors they use to determine what gets archived. I seriously doubt they have the ability to archive every site on the Internet since its beginning, so... who knows? they don't archive every page of every site. iirc, they try to get to every site in the top one million as ranked by Alexa (no relation to Amazon). and they just do the HTML pages so if a page with a script, that is most probably not going to get archived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) FWIW I can report that 'something' is gradually consuming individual web pages in my overall site. They have simply gone missing. I didn't do it. Poof! Disappeared off the servers of the free website I have been using since ~1999. So it's more than just a random graphic now, it is entire pages of HTML4. And FWIW I know for a fact that *the Wayback used to archive my pages*. Long ago I put META statements in all my page headers to *allow* web crawlers for find this stuff. Anyway, appears at this point most of my extended pages do still exist on that server. It's true, I really have no idea if the Wayback archived every single page- that would be a hundred or so individual pages. But I do seem to have a strong recollection of the Wayback capturing multiple pages, not just my "...index.html" landing page. I have seen enough online to have formed the very strong impression that the Wayback also fell subject to the whims of 'them' (whoever/ whatever) Material is being heavily modified, even redacted, all over the net, especially as regards the current, ah, 'cooties' going around. Contradict the official narrative at your own peril... My level of certainty as regards this reality as being 'gospel truth' rises to the level of 'stake my life certain'. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's real, it's happening. Notice my own careful wording in these paragraphs. There is a heck of of a lot of *self censoring* going on today as well. Remember, folks, none of this should be in the least bit controversial material. It's pretty much all dry technical stuff that would only be of interest to fellow electronics hobbyist geeks. So it's hard at this point to attribute this to malice, 'being on someone's list'. But neither can I entirely rule that out. These are strange times we live in... Clutter Edited January 31, 2022 by Cluttermagnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 1:52 PM, crp said: they don't archive every page of every site. iirc, they try to get to every site in the top one million as ranked by Alexa (no relation to Amazon). and they just do the HTML pages so if a page with a script, that is most probably not going to get archived. It is entirely possible my site isn't 'top one million'. Good suggestion, actually. But OTOH I definitely used to be 'reachable' on the Wayback site, with plenty, plenty of archives... Thanks, Clutter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I learned a bitter lesson about hosting graphics on "free" websites. A few years ago I kept all my pics on Photobucket - paid a small fee to avoid watermarks. Then Photobucket changed its terms of service and charged an obscene amount to serve the images up to 3rd party sites like this one. By then I had set up my own domain for a blog at a Web provider. I had a massive job to edit years of blog posts after I transferred all my graphics to my own site. Now I keep everything on my own site and serve up images from there. It's expensive and requires some tech savvy - mostly Linux related. But it is worth it as I know that I have control of my own stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Yes, PhotoSucket went to H3LL and took most of our images with it. Fortunately, I have copies of ALL my images on my computer. There was a previous image server that crashed and burned, too... ImageShack. I'm currently using Imgur and have been for quite a few years. I have no complaints whatsoever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 I, too, made the move to imgur, on the advice of you guys. I have therefore not lost any more photos with them; they have been solid and reliable. Did lose things with the other two you mentioned. But yes, it turns out I have lost way more than just a single photo, I have lost at least one complete page worth of html, probably gone forever. Don't have the time to either research the extent of the damage to my website, or to recreate any of it. Oh, I might as well say it. Back in 1999 or so, I created a free web page with Angelfire. They have long since been gobbled up by Lycos. But amazingly, my site was pretty much rock solid for some 20 years or so. It appears the nibbling of termites commenced some time recently- and I can't shake a strong hunch that it connects, somehow, with the politics of censorship so rampant today. Don't know what exactly I might have done. Maybe nothing. Who knows? Nobody has ever made a cent off of my site other than, perhaps, the ISP. Nor did I ever have to pay a cent to have it- and I can build another elsewhere if I ever feel the need. Like I have the time... Maybe Wordpress? Clutter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Nothing is forever; not even on the Internet. I have many, many images on my blog posts that are no longer visible or have that damned "PhotoSucket" watermark over them. I usually replace them with images from Imgur when I come across them, but there are just too many on those blog posts. I have other priorities in life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) I have one of those legacy sites that I keep on the Delphi Forums platform but it takes a lot of HTML and FTP savvy. It's also ugly and most of the links predate actual digital photography. Many of them are dead. WordPress is a much better idea if you want to make your site a blog format. I decided to get my own domain and install the software rather than use WordPress's canned solution. But the regular wordpress.com is quite OK. I have my own theme which I quite like and it isn't one everybody else is using. https://104vaughan.ca/wp If you want a more traditional site you could look into SquareSpace. Note you don't get this stuff for free but did you ever? If you don't know who's paying for the product, you ARE the product. Edited February 9, 2022 by raymac46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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