abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 26 (edited) My pc running Arch has been working perfectly normally for quite some time now and has no problems that I know of. I have spent the last three days messing around with external drives and Luckybackup, grsync and rsync. Found all sorts of weird and wonderful glitches and problems and had quite a bit of fun sorting and learning about the inner workings of linux. I use a Star Tech external usb3 dock that allows me to slot in two sata drives. My Arch set up finds these drives and automounts them to /run/media/me/whatever the drive is called. The external drives have all been wiped and formated to GPT with one ext4 partition. Puzzle one. Yesterday I made a backup of my /home to an external drive using rsync. Everything seemed to be ok.The backup folder contents were as expected. My xterm terminal worked as normal. I shut down the external drive after unmounting it. I left the pc running as I crunch for the World Community Grid. Opened up a terminal this morning and got this, This appeared at the beginning of the terminal. I wanted to do, source ~/.bashrc but got this and keep on getting the same message every time I try to use it. >source ~/.bashrc -bash: This: command not found I tried out several other commands and they all seem to work ok as you can see from the screenshot. All new terminal show that same "-bash: This: command not found" and every time I try the "source ~/.bashrc" command I get the warning. "source ~/.bashrc" worked perfectly last night as I made a new alias and tried it out and all worked as normal. What is going on ? Edited May 26 by abarbarian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 26 I think there is simply an error in your ~/.bashrc. Can you post your ~/.bashrc here? You have the word "This" uncommented or added. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 27 11 hours ago, securitybreach said: I think there is simply an error in your ~/.bashrc. Can you post your ~/.bashrc here? You have the word "This" uncommented or added. Apart from the new alias for rsync my .bashrc has not changed, unless I have inadvertantly hit a key and printed a stray character somewhere, but it all looks ok to me. Quote # # ~/.bashrc # # If not running interactively, don't do anything [[ $- != *i* ]] && return export EDITOR='nano' export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache/bin/:$PATH" export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin #this is the place for all my own scripts. export HISTCONTROL=$HISTCONTROL:ignorespace:ignoredups #PS1='[\h@\t \W]\$ ' export PS1="\[\033[38;5;75m\]\t\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[$(tput bold)\]\[\033[38;5;21m\]-->\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;75m\]\d\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[$(tput bold)\]\[\033[38;5;21m\]-->\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;2m\]\W\[$(tput sgr0)\]\n\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[$(tput bold)\]\[\033[38;5;21m\]-->\[$(tput sgr0)\]" # remember the last 1000 commands in history HISTSIZE=1000 # Limit the size of the ~/.bash_history file HISTFILESIZE=2000 # append to the history file, don't overwrite it shopt -s histappend # Avoid duplicate entries export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:erasedups #ALIAS ###### ###after creating an alias you need to ###reboot or $ source ~/.bashrc alias sudo="sudo " #Create an alias for sudo with a space at the end then all other aliases will work with sudo without the need for a password. #alias w7="sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt" #alias w7u="sudo umount /dev/nvme0n1p3" #alias ls="ls --color=auto" alias x="startx" alias pacu="pacaur -Syu" alias paci="pacaur -S" alias pacr="pacaur -Rns" alias pacq="pacaur -Q" alias pacor="pacaur -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)" #recursively removing orphans and their configuration files alias rbs="firejail --private --dns=8.8.8.8 --dns=8.8.4.4 firefox -no-remote" alias transmission-gtk="firejail transmission-gtk" alias gf="grim-fandango" alias ha="hangman" alias ss="scrot -s" alias handbrake="ghb" This rsync will backup my /home and provide a date stamp in the folder name. #alias homeback="rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/HOME$(date +\\%d-\\%m-\\%Y)" alias homeback="rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/HOME$(date +\\%26-\\%05-\\%2020)" #alias kss="ksnip" uninstalled #alias boa="flatpak run com.realm667.WolfenDoom_Blade_of_Agony" #alias santas="echo MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE | boxes -d santas -p a3l4" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 27 Note the bottom: Quote alias ss="scrot -s" alias handbrake="ghb" This rsync will backup my /home and provide a date stamp in the folder name. #alias homeback="rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/HOME$(date +\\%d-\\%m-\\%Y)" alias homeback="rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/HOME$(date +\\%26-\\%05-\\%2020)" #alias kss="ksnip" uninstalled #alias boa="flatpak run com.realm667.WolfenDoom_Blade_of_Agony" #alias santas="echo MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE | boxes -d santas -p a3l4" That part is not commented out. It should say: Quote # This rsync will backup my /home and provide a date stamp in the folder name. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 27 7 hours ago, securitybreach said: That part is not commented out. It should say: Quote # This rsync will backup my /home and provide a date stamp in the folder name. Bravo I spent over an hour searching for a solution and kept getting all sorts of complicated results but nothing relevant. I would never have spotted the missing #. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 27 Ok another puzzle. This one is not critical I just would like to know why. I made a command, rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/bloodaxe$(date +\\%d-\\%m-\\%Y) this gives me a folder called bloodaxe\25-\05-\2020 however when I make a alias with the same command and use the alias I get a folder called, bloodaxe25-05-2020 Should not my alias output the same folder name ? I thought alias's simply duplicated the given command wheras my example seems to alter the original command. Answers on a pin head please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 27 37 minutes ago, abarbarian said: Bravo I spent over an hour searching for a solution and kept getting all sorts of complicated results but nothing relevant. I would never have spotted the missing #. I only knew as I've done something similar in the past Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 27 45 minutes ago, abarbarian said: Should not my alias output the same folder name ? I thought alias's simply duplicated the given command wheras my example seems to alter the original command. That is exactly what it does and the output depends on your command/switches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 27 23 minutes ago, securitybreach said: That is exactly what it does and the output depends on your command/switches. I do not understand yer answer. rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/bloodaxe$(date +\\%d-\\%m-\\%Y) alias homebackup="rsync -vaHAXShix --delete --exclude=slots --exclude=tempfile --exclude=.local/share/Trash --exclude=projects --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata --exclude=/home/*/.gvfs --exclude=.local/share/gvfs-metadata /home/bloodaxe/ /run/media/bloodaxe/HISTORY/bloodaxe$(date +\\%d-\\%m-\\%Y)" Why do the two commands give different output ? Surely they should give the same output ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hedon James 887 Posted May 27 a little above my paygrade AB, but is it possible the different commands are being run in different terminals/shells, with differing syntax treatments? I saw above your aliases are in "bourne again shell" (BASH) profile, but I think you said you're running Xterm for CLI commands. Would the different outputs be due to Xterm and Bash treating the command differently? Just a theory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 27 40 minutes ago, Hedon James said: a little above my paygrade AB, but is it possible the different commands are being run in different terminals/shells, with differing syntax treatments? I saw above your aliases are in "bourne again shell" (BASH) profile, but I think you said you're running Xterm for CLI commands. Would the different outputs be due to Xterm and Bash treating the command differently? Just a theory. Xterm uses bash by default. Bash, Zsh(zshell), Fsh and others are simply various Unix shells. Xterm, gnome-terminal, konsole, etc. are terminal emulators. Think of bash, zsh, fsh, etc as environments and xterm, konsole, etc as programs that lets you interact with that environment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 27 Quote "A terminal emulator is a program that emulates the functionalities of the traditional computer terminals" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_emulator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hedon James 887 Posted May 28 13 hours ago, securitybreach said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_emulator You anticipated my question! Thanks for the link. Would it be safe to say that a terminal runs outside of X (or Wayland), while terminal emulators run on top of, or within, X? Other than that distinction, I don't really see a difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 28 On 5/27/2020 at 12:14 PM, securitybreach said: That is exactly what it does and the output depends on your command/switches. I am guessing that your reply relates to this section of the Bash Reference Manual,(which would take a lifetime of study to understand never mind allow me to use it with any expertise) https://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bashref.html#Modifying-Shell-Behavior I have made some changes to the way bash acts in .bashrc. So far though every alias I have made acts exactly as the original cli would. I can not see that any changes made in .bashrc that would alter the output of an alias. So am still puzzled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 28 2 hours ago, Hedon James said: You anticipated my question! Thanks for the link. Would it be safe to say that a terminal runs outside of X (or Wayland), while terminal emulators run on top of, or within, X? Other than that distinction, I don't really see a difference. I see Josh gave you a link but this may help even more, or not, lol. Computer terminal Quote A computer terminal is an electronic or electromechanical hardware device that can be used for entering data into, and displaying or printing data from, a computer or a computing system.[1] The teletype was an example of an early day hardcopy terminal,[2] and predated the use of a computer screen by decades.[3] 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 28 1 hour ago, abarbarian said: I am guessing that your reply relates to this section of the Bash Reference Manual,(which would take a lifetime of study to understand never mind allow me to use it with any expertise) https://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bashref.html#Modifying-Shell-Behavior I have made some changes to the way bash acts in .bashrc. So far though every alias I have made acts exactly as the original cli would. I can not see that any changes made in .bashrc that would alter the output of an alias. So am still puzzled. No, I simply meant it would depend on the switches that you used. That was before you posted the two commands. By switches, I meant the options that you used. Like ls -la -la is the switches for ls Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 28 3 hours ago, securitybreach said: No, I simply meant it would depend on the switches that you used. That was before you posted the two commands. By switches, I meant the options that you used. Like ls -la -la is the switches for ls Ok I see what you meant. However I still do not know why I have a different output. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 28 2 hours ago, abarbarian said: Ok I see what you meant. However I still do not know why I have a different output. Yeah, me neither Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 29 11 hours ago, securitybreach said: Yeah, me neither I'll ask over at the Arch forums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 29 10 hours ago, abarbarian said: I'll ask over at the Arch forums. Ha, good luck with that. You better do due diligence and search first 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 30 13 hours ago, securitybreach said: Ha, good luck with that. You better do due diligence and search first I posted, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1907592#p1907592 Will I get grilled ? It is barbecue season after all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abarbarian 3,295 Posted May 30 By gum the world must be ending as I not only got a reply over at the Arch forums, it was a very kind and useful reply. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1907592#p1907592 Well done them friendly helpful folk at the Arch Forums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
securitybreach 10,943 Posted May 30 2 hours ago, abarbarian said: By gum the world must be ending as I not only got a reply over at the Arch forums, it was a very kind and useful reply. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1907592#p1907592 Well done them friendly helpful folk at the Arch Forums Well that was because they felt bad for you having to run Windowmaker. There were some good info in the comments 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
