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Done a dist-upgrade and now my graphics card is not working right. I have traced the problem to the kernel 3.12.3 and 3.12.4. When I boot up the screen print is so large I can't login. I can login by going to advanced and using the 3.9.3 kernel then everything is back to normal. Is there a way I can use the new kernels? the ATI radeon 4200 is no longer supported by amd for Linux. It appears that the new kernels have left something out or this graphics card is no longer supported in some linux distro's with the newer kernels..

Mel

 

Problem is solved.

Installed package: "firmware-linux-nonfree and that solved the problem thanks to sunrat who in one of the first postings asked if I had it installed. There are packages like that for other Debian distros including Ubuntu.

Mel

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V.T. Eric Layton

Almost any time that you upgrade a kernel in a Linux distribution, you also have to upgrade the graphics drivers. Check to see how you initially installed drivers for that vid card and then check to see if there are any updates.

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Almost any time that you upgrade a kernel in a Linux distribution, you also have to upgrade the graphics drivers. Check to see how you initially installed drivers for that vid card and then check to see if there are any updates.

I am aware of that, but the original install chose the driver not me. It was using the linux native driver not the ati driver AFAIK. The radeon 4200 is no longer supported by amd and no linux driver is available from amd / ati. it works fine with the older kernel 3.9.3 But I would like to use the newer kernel 3.12.4

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I know nothing about AMD graphics, but I suggest you post this at the siduction forum. (I see you already have :) ) Someone else may have solved this problem and the developers are very active on the forum. Even better, try their IRC channel.

A quick search reveals that this chip should be supported by open source drivers. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/

Also, do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?

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I know nothing about AMD graphics, but I suggest you post this at the siduction forum. (I see you already have :) ) Someone else may have solved this problem and the developers are very active on the forum. Even better, try their IRC channel.

A quick search reveals that this chip should be supported by open source drivers. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/

Also, do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?

Not sure about firmware non free. I do know that some of the repos are non free. is the firmware-nonfree a repo?

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I found it about 3/4th of the way down the list it was under the following:

 

IGP (HD 4xxx)

 

Main article: AMD 700 chipset series

  • All Radeon HD 4xxx IGP models include DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.3

 

 

Ah ha so it is a HD 4200 then !

 

I seriously doubt that a chip made in 2006 does not have linux support. I'm guessing that you have some set up glitches.

 

http://manual.siduction.org/gpu

 

the above may be of use. :fish:

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Hedon James

Is your video card/chip integrated? I recently built a frankenstein to be my main machine and am running Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS. I believed I was runnning the ATI 42** series and sure enough, "lspci" in the terminal shows me:

 

01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4250]

 

If your chip is integrated, it would appear we are both running a video chip from the same family. And all I have to offer is that I am running the proprietary AMD/ATI proprietary FGLRX driver on the 3.2.0-57 kernel for a desktop, with a confirmation that I have no issues whatsoever, and never have.

 

Obviously, our kernels are different, and you have identified a difference between 3.9 & 3.12 kernels, so that is a suspect. Alternatively, perhaps your driver is a suspect. However, I have read recently that AMD has released a new Catalyst 13.12 driver for Radeon devices.

 

http://www.linuxcompatible.org/news/story/amd_catalyst_13_12_for_linux_released.html

 

I don't know if you are using this driver, or plan to use this driver, but I note in the "system requirements" that supported kernels are 2.6-3.11. So, I'm inclined to believe that your kernel is indeed the issue, FWIW.

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Honestly, unless you are a serious Linux gamer, the open source ati or radeon driver will do the job. It has good stability, excellent 2D performance and 3D is good enough for desktops that need the eye candy. I have a Trinity A8 APU and I never bothered to install the fglrx Catalyst driver at all. Linux Mint 16 has kernel 3.11 and it works just fine with the FOSS video stack.

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Honestly, unless you are a serious Linux gamer, the open source ati or radeon driver will do the job. It has good stability, excellent 2D performance and 3D is good enough for desktops that need the eye candy. I have a Trinity A8 APU and I never bothered to install the fglrx Catalyst driver at all. Linux Mint 16 has kernel 3.11 and it works just fine with the FOSS video stack.

 

I actually get better performance on my Radeon 6790 with the open source, xf86-video-ati, driver than the closed Catalyst driver.

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Just to Clarify a few things. The video card in question is a ATI Radeon HD 4200 and is integrated on the motherboard. I never installed AFAIK any proprietary driver for it although I do have some non free repos in siduction. Everything worked fine using kernel 3.9.3, that was installed at the first installation of siduction with the open source driver. Since a couple of dist upgrades with new kernels 3.12.4 and 3.12.3 The text has gotten so big on the screen that I can't login or read anything. I would think that since I was not using proprietary drivers that it would keep the same linux driver when a upgrade in siduction was done. I believe that some of the newer kernels for certain distro's have left out some of the older drivers. Anyway I need a fix for the newer kernels. I can still use siduction but only if I revert back to the older 3.9.3 kernel.

Mel

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raymac46

What do you get if you boot in safe mode and:

sudo lshw -c video | grep configuration

Should tell you which video driver is in use.

Normally something like dkms takes care of the modules needed when the kernel is upgraded.

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sudo lspci -k works as well. But you'll get a list of stuff then.

This is for the original kernel 3.9.3 can't login with kernels 3.12.3 and 3.12.4

the first command did not work.

 

mhbell@siduction:~$ sudo lshw -c video | grep configuration

[sudo] password for mhxxxx

sudo: lshw: command not found

mhbell@siduction~$

 

 

lspci: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]

Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Device d000

Kernel driver in use: radeon

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OK lshw I guess isn't available with Debian siduction. But you are using the FOSS driver.

Are you getting these huge fonts in the console before the desktop shows up or in the desktop itself?

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OK lshw I guess isn't available with Debian siduction. But you are using the FOSS driver.

Are you getting these huge fonts in the console before the desktop shows up or in the desktop itself?

 

When I boot up the screen print is so large I can't login.

 

From the original post if it helps. :shifty:

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Here is part of the /var/log/Xorg.log file for the 3.12.3 kernel

Mel

 

[ 20.984]

X.Org X Server 1.14.5

Release Date: 2013-12-12

[ 20.984] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0

[ 20.984] Build Operating System: Linux 3.13.0-rc2-patser+ x86_64 Debian

[ 20.984] Current Operating System: Linux siductionbox 3.12-3.towo.2-siduction-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Dec 5 16:51:08 UTC 2013 x86_64

[ 20.984] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.12-3.towo.2-siduction-amd64 root=UUID=70925e69-2483-4c5e-8f74-4e9d756644de ro quiet

[ 20.984] Build Date: 13 December 2013 10:12:53AM

[ 20.984] xorg-server 2:1.14.5-1 (Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@ubuntu.com>)

[ 20.984] Current version of pixman: 0.32.4

[ 20.984] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org

to make sure that you have the latest version.

[ 20.984] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,

(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,

(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.

[ 20.984] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Dec 20 16:32:46 2013

[ 21.014] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"

[ 21.051] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section.

[ 21.051] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.

[ 21.051] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)

[ 21.051] (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"

[ 21.051] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".

Using a default monitor configuration.

[ 21.051] (==) Automatically adding devices

[ 21.051] (==) Automatically enabling devices

[ 21.051] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices

[ 21.093] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.

[ 21.093] Entry deleted from font path.

[ 21.108] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1" does not exist.

[ 21.108] Entry deleted from font path.

[ 21.108] (==) FontPath set to:

/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,

built-ins

[ 21.108] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"

[ 21.108] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.

If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.

[ 21.108] (II) Loader magic: 0x7f3dd3644d00

[ 21.108] (II) Module ABI versions:

[ 21.108] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4

[ 21.108] X.Org Video Driver: 14.1

[ 21.108] X.Org XInput driver : 19.1

[ 21.108] X.Org Server Extension : 7.0

[ 21.111] (--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:9710:1458:d000 rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xfdfe0000/65536, 0xfde00000/1048576, I/O @ 0x0000ee00/256

[ 21.111] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension SHAPE

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XTEST

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension SYNC

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension SECURITY

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XFIXES

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension RENDER

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension RANDR

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension DOUBLE-BUFFER

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension RECORD

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension DPMS

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension X-Resource

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XVideo

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XVideo-MotionCompensation

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension SELinux

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-VidModeExtension

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-DGA

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-DRI

[ 21.113] Initializing built-in extension DRI2

[ 21.113] (II) LoadModule: "glx"

[ 21.114] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so

[ 21.132] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 21.132] compiled for 1.14.5, module version = 1.0.0

[ 21.132] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 7.0

[ 21.132] (==) AIGLX enabled

[ 21.133] Loading extension GLX

[ 21.133] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0

[ 21.133] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 1

[ 21.133] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 2

[ 21.133] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 3

[ 21.133] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout

[ 21.133] (II) LoadModule: "ati"

[ 21.133] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so

[ 21.146] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 21.146] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 7.2.0

[ 21.146] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 21.146] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 21.146] (II) LoadModule: "radeon"

[ 21.146] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so

[ 21.180] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 21.180] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 7.2.0

[ 21.180] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 21.180] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 21.180] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"

[ 21.180] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so

[ 21.185] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 21.185] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 2.3.3

[ 21.185] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 21.185] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 21.185] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"

[ 21.187] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module modesetting

[ 21.187] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"

[ 21.187] (II) Unloading modesetting

[ 21.187] (EE) Failed to load module "modesetting" (module does not exist, 0)

[ 21.187] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev"

[ 21.187] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so

[ 21.194] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 21.194] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 0.4.4

[ 21.194] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 21.194] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 21.194] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:

 

here is the same file above for the 3.9.3 kernel

 

[ 21.936]

X.Org X Server 1.14.5

Release Date: 2013-12-12

[ 21.936] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0

[ 21.936] Build Operating System: Linux 3.13.0-rc2-patser+ x86_64 Debian

[ 21.936] Current Operating System: Linux siductionbox 3.9-3.towo-siduction-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 20 09:02:12 UTC 2013 x86_64

[ 21.936] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.9-3.towo-siduction-amd64 root=UUID=70925e69-2483-4c5e-8f74-4e9d756644de ro quiet

[ 21.936] Build Date: 13 December 2013 10:12:53AM

[ 21.936] xorg-server 2:1.14.5-1 (Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@ubuntu.com>)

[ 21.936] Current version of pixman: 0.32.4

[ 21.936] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org

to make sure that you have the latest version.

[ 21.936] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,

(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,

(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.

[ 21.936] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Dec 20 08:57:01 2013

[ 21.977] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"

[ 22.015] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section.

[ 22.016] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.

[ 22.016] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)

[ 22.016] (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"

[ 22.016] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".

Using a default monitor configuration.

[ 22.016] (==) Automatically adding devices

[ 22.016] (==) Automatically enabling devices

[ 22.016] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices

[ 22.075] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.

[ 22.075] Entry deleted from font path.

[ 22.099] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1" does not exist.

[ 22.099] Entry deleted from font path.

[ 22.099] (==) FontPath set to:

/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,

/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,

built-ins

[ 22.099] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"

[ 22.099] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.

If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.

[ 22.099] (II) Loader magic: 0x7f3311428d00

[ 22.099] (II) Module ABI versions:

[ 22.099] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4

[ 22.099] X.Org Video Driver: 14.1

[ 22.099] X.Org XInput driver : 19.1

[ 22.099] X.Org Server Extension : 7.0

[ 22.099] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)

[ 22.103] (--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:9710:1458:d000 rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xfdfe0000/65536, 0xfde00000/1048576, I/O @ 0x0000ee00/256

[ 22.103] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension SHAPE

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension XTEST

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension SYNC

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension SECURITY

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension XFIXES

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension RENDER

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension RANDR

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE

[ 22.104] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension DOUBLE-BUFFER

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension RECORD

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension DPMS

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension X-Resource

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension XVideo

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension XVideo-MotionCompensation

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension SELinux

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-VidModeExtension

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-DGA

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-DRI

[ 22.105] Initializing built-in extension DRI2

[ 22.105] (II) LoadModule: "glx"

[ 22.118] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so

[ 22.139] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 22.139] compiled for 1.14.5, module version = 1.0.0

[ 22.139] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 7.0

[ 22.139] (==) AIGLX enabled

[ 22.140] Loading extension GLX

[ 22.140] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0

[ 22.140] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 1

[ 22.140] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 2

[ 22.140] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 3

[ 22.140] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 4

[ 22.140] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout

[ 22.140] (II) LoadModule: "ati"

[ 22.140] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so

[ 22.153] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 22.153] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 7.2.0

[ 22.153] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 22.153] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 22.153] (II) LoadModule: "radeon"

[ 22.153] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so

[ 22.261] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 22.261] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 7.2.0

[ 22.261] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 22.261] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 22.261] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"

[ 22.261] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so

[ 22.267] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 22.267] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 2.3.3

[ 22.267] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 22.267] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 22.267] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"

[ 22.268] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module modesetting

[ 22.268] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"

[ 22.268] (II) Unloading modesetting

[ 22.269] (EE) Failed to load module "modesetting" (module does not exist, 0)

[ 22.269] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev"

[ 22.269] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so

[ 22.275] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

[ 22.275] compiled for 1.14.3, module version = 0.4.4

[ 22.275] Module class: X.Org Video Driver

[ 22.275] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 14.1

[ 22.275] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:

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[quote name='raymac46' timestamp='1387558128' post='386566']
OK lshw I guess isn't available with Debian siduction. But you are using the FOSS driver.
Are you getting these huge fonts in the console before the desktop shows up or in the desktop itself?
[/quote]both I was able to login in the blind and ctrl + alt + f1 and copied the Xorg log file for the 3.12.3 kernel
I can read the print when it is booting up it is bigger than the print in the 3.9.3 kernel I can't read the desktop at
all when it is finished booting.
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So just so I'm not confused:

(1) Do you see a grub screen OK with the various kernels and recovery mode options on it?

(2) Is this grub screen graphical or a console type?

(3) Do you get huge fonts at this point or do they only show up when you get to the login screen?

 

From what you described so far I assume you can see grub and the text when booting OK. It sounds to me like you may have a GDM/KDM problem before the desktop even launches. I'm not an expert with Debian though.

 

Don't know if it's something like this or not:

 

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1385593

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So just so I'm not confused:

(1) Do you see a grub screen OK with the various kernels and recovery mode options on it?

(2) Is this grub screen graphical or a console type?

(3) Do you get huge fonts at this point or do they only show up when you get to the login screen?

 

From what you described so far I assume you can see grub and the text when booting OK. It sounds to me like you may have a GDM/KDM problem before the desktop even launches. I'm not an expert with Debian though.

 

Don't know if it's something like this or not:

 

http://ubuntuforums....d.php?t=1385593

I can see Grub and the text OK I am booting 3 distros and 1 winbloz. When I select the 3.9.3 kernal the print when booting up is about a 16 size font and about the halfway mark after dev probagating blah blah the print gets smaller about a 10 Then I get a normal login screen and desktop.

 

when I boot the 3.12.3 kernel I get during bootup about a 16 size font all the way to the desktop and login. everything is so big that it is unreadable login and desktop.

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I think at this point all I can suggest is - if you can boot to the console, log in as root and do the update and dist-upgrade again and reboot.

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Problem is now solved thanks to sunrat. he asked in a previous post if I had installed a Package called "firmware-linux-nonfree" When I checked a few minutes ago I found it was not installed. Even though My graphics card was not shown in the driver package it still solved the problem and it worked.

Thanks sunrat

Mel

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Glad it worked for you. I do have that package listed but it hasn't been needed so far in any Linux Mint installs I've done.

Mint is my Main OS and distro. I use mint 16 64 bit version on a computer I built in 2006. I also run Debian and siduction. I have several swapable hard drives and do a lot of experimenting with various Linux distro's. I really like siduction But KDE is fairly new for me as I have always used gnome. I use cinnamon with mint.

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