Marsden11 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The Explorer destroyer campaign has taken upon itself to promote the destruction of Internet Explorer and promote Firefox instead. In the UK such actions are illegal, as they could be deemed an incitement to cause harm to a pillar of the community and therefore terrorist in nature. "Google," says the campaign's online headquarters, "is paying $1 for each new Firefox user you refer. Now you can advance your ideals, save people from popups and spyware ****, and make some serious money." Organisers of the campaign have produced a software tool that detects Internet Explorer users visting your website. You set this tool to give your users different levels of harassment for using Voleware. These range for a gentle nudge get Firefox to barring IE users from your site. What a nice move by the FF zealots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Don't equate all FF users with the actions of some...I advocate choice...anyone can use whatever they want ... it's their OS they have to consider when making that decision ... and it's a very personal choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epp_b Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 In the UK such actions are illegal, as they could be deemed an incitement to cause harm to a pillar of the community and therefore terrorist in nature.A "pillar to the community"? Is that some kind of bad joke? And, what's more, terrorist? I don't recall reading about them killing off IE users.These range for a gentle nudge get Firefox to barring IE users from your site.Oh, right, because no website has ever been made that works only IE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Now, epp_b ... you might just have a point there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewmur Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) Oh, right, because no website has ever been made that works only IE... Hmmm!!!! I wonder if this will bar FF users, who have their browser set to report they are using IE, from getting to the sites? And if some sites weren't already demanding you run IE, why is that feature there?edit: I really love it when Marsden11 gets indignant when someone uses M$'s own tactics against them!!! Edited April 28, 2006 by lewmur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 Zealots, regardless of cause, have a tendency to treat very poorly those who don't share their beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) So ExplorerDestroyer.com does not exist?http://www.udrogoth.com/images/ie-destroyer.pngDown load their program get busyEDIT:The overly large image has been changed to text link to be compliant with the Forum Rules. Please either make the image 480 in width or less, or use the thumbnail procedure shown here: here. Thanks -- Bambi Images in Posts8. Scot’s Newsletter Forums does not permit uploading of images with posted messages. The best way to show other members something is to link to it. To do that, paste a Web URL (or hyperlink) into your message. No encoding is required. By handling images in this way, you let people choose whether to click or not.It is also possible to display a screen shot hosted on another server by using the forum software's image tag and placing a URL in it. It should be done only when showing a picture is necessary to getting your important point across. Be considerate of people who have slower Internet connections. An image displayed within a message on Scot’s Newsletter Forums should be no wider than 480 pixels. And if you can make the image smaller, please do.Either one of these approaches requires your image to be hosted on another Web server. If you do not have access to another Web server but would like to link to or display an image in a post, please contact a forum moderator for help. While we can't promise to make this possible in all cases, we are working on ways to make it easier. Edited May 2, 2006 by LilBambi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epp_b Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) Hmmm!!!! I wonder if this will bar FF users, who have their browser set to report they are using IE, from getting to the sites? And if some sites weren't already demanding you run IE, why is that feature there?It depends. If the website simply relies on the user agent variable the browser sends for every request, such a system is easily fooled. Other means, however, may include using ActiveX controls (which only work in IE). In this case, it can be very difficult to beat. There is an ActiveX extension for Firefox, but it doesn't work well enough to fool sites like Windows Updates. Some may also test certain elements of the document object model that only exist in IE (eg.: document.all vs. document.getElementById) to test what the browser it is. This method could be overriden, I'm sure, but I'm not aware of any tool with that capability.this is a joke.post the link to google.com, itself, that shows google paying money to me to spread ff. No joke ...# Firefox plus Google Toolbar: When a user you've referred to Firefox plus Google Toolbar runs Firefox for the first time, you'll receive up to US$1 in your account, depending on the user's location. A Firefox referral is counted when a Windows user, who has not previously installed Firefox, downloads and runs the program for the first time.Zealots, regardless of cause, have a tendency to treat very poorly those who don't share their beliefs.Hmmm...I tend to agree.... Edited April 28, 2006 by epp_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Amazing, you can have affilliates for just about anything these days ... And I guess, when you get right down to it, it's really not so different than the "incentives" given to OEMs to use specific OSes and other software, over other OSes and software. ;)epp_b, thanks for the link ... I was wondering about it since the website Marsden11 posted is owned by an individual not Google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yeah, but I bet they won't do it for 1/2 if you don't want the Google Toolbar ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Zealots, regardless of cause, have a tendency to treat very poorly those who don't share their beliefs.It took a lawsuit to force Microsoft to not bundle IE with their OS. Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted April 29, 2006 Author Share Posted April 29, 2006 Are we living in the past or in the present?I always thought it was a personal choice to run junk on your machine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Are we living in the past or in the present?I always thought it was a personal choice to run junk on your machine... ExplorerDestroyer.com is not affiliated with Mozilla. And yes we do have a choice to run junk on our machines. That is why I do not use IE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epp_b Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 (edited) I always thought it was a personal choice to run junk on your machine...You over-estimate the savvy-ness of the common Dell/HP/Compaq/Big Box computer user.Most of them don't know that Firefox exists, let alone what a "web browser" is. All they know MSIE as is "the internet". Somehow, "email" and "msn" are magically completely separated from "the internet'. Edited April 29, 2006 by epp_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2cm Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 What is junk to one may be gold for others. Vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rons Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Interesting concept. Could explain why MS shares dipped 11% on Friday. They are having to throw a lot of bucks at fighting Google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2cm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Most of them don't know that Firefox exists, let alone what a "web browser" is. All they know MSIE as is "the internet".That's true. And they think they know enough for their needs. Question or criticize their level of computing awareness and choice of browser, and defensiveness will isolate your from these users. You also create or deepen in them an emotional loyalty to what you have identified them with. When they run into problems with IE and get frustrated they will make the switch. But if they already don't like you (for your manners) and what you stand for (your browser of choice included), they will switch to another alternative browser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted April 30, 2006 Author Share Posted April 30, 2006 Could explain why MS shares dipped 11% on Friday.Their shares dropped because their numbers were less than Wall Street expected. That is the norm for any company that posts numbers not in line with WS estimates. Profits still grew at a 16% rate over last years 1st quarter. I'm sure their nearly ready to tank... Keep dreaming folks... A drop of 11% is a buying opportunity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rons Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Their shares dropped because their numbers were less than Wall Street expected. That is the norm for any company that posts numbers not in line with WS estimates. Profits still grew at a 16% rate over last years 1st quarter. I'm sure their nearly ready to tank... Keep dreaming folks... A drop of 11% is a buying opportunity! True, but the delay in releasing Vista + money being spent to counter Google also added fuel to the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 (edited) Microsoft was gracious enough to release XP in Africa, just the other day. I guess Vista will not make it there until the year 2525. Edited April 30, 2006 by Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Yes...sans home networking entirely and limits on the number of simultaneously opened programs ... Microsoft is bringing its Windows XP Starter Edition operating system to Africa, the company announced Thursday. The lower-priced version of XP drops home networking and limits the number of programs that can be opened simultaneously. Low-Cost Windows XP Comes to AfricaBut according to the article, even this will still only be available to the very rich in Africa since most live on less than one dollar a day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted April 30, 2006 Author Share Posted April 30, 2006 True, but the delay in releasing Vista + money being spent to counter Google also added fuel to the fire.The delay in shipping Vista is nothing. Slipping into another fiscal year would have been a different story. It will still ship in the coming fiscal year (July to June 31st). The biggest drain was the shortage of Xbox 360s. Overall their costs went higher. But then so did the number of products they sell on the market. Basically, they are not offering less products nor are they selling less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rons Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Yes...sans home networking entirely and limits on the number of simultaneously opened programs ... Low-Cost Windows XP Comes to AfricaBut according to the article, even this will still only be available to the very rich in Africa since most live on less than one dollar a day...MS should just give it to those poor people at no charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 MS should just give it to those poor people at no charge.Along with PC's to run it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2cm Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) True, but the delay in releasing Vista + money being spent to counter Google also added fuel to the fire.That MS vs Google thing is really about MS trying to get at Google's dominant hold on the $10B online advertising market. It isn't defensive but 'predatory'. Battlelines will be drawn as MSN vs Google, and the default engine for IE and Firefox search boxes. Edited May 2, 2006 by b2cm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 And now Google is whining to the Justice Department and the EU about MSN Search even though they dominate the search market by a wide margin.So MS adds a search pane IE7 similar to FF and now MS is cheating in the market place. Google fails to mention that the user can specify any search engine they like. My copies of IE7 have Google as the default search engine...As to the EU... personally, I would like MS to completely withdraw from that market and let the Europeans pound salt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsden11 Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 Dean Hachamovitch, head of the Internet Explorer team responds: "the search box in IE7 is not Microsoft’s. It belongs to the user. Our guiding principle for the search box in IE7 is that the user is in control." Nicholas Carr makes an even more interesting point: "If Google wants to fully live up to its ideals - to really give primacy to the goal of user choice in search - it should open up its home page to other search engines." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2cm Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Naturally, when you're the weaker player you champion user choice and an open field. When you are dominant and want to keep your position you do the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epp_b Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Actually, I have to agree with Microsoft on this one. Google's complaint is a bit ridiculous.IE has defaulted it's built-in search form to MSN for years (hit CTRL+E in MSIE 5 or 6). The only difference here is the placement of the search bar within the UI. Hardly a fact worthy of complaint.Incidentally, CTRL+E is also the search shortcut in FF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Yep.But then, it's not like Microsoft has ever tried anything anti-competitive ... b2cm is right...it's always like that and it's not right when either of them do anti-competitive stuff.You also see this all the time between Intel and AMD as well and so many others it's very discouraging actually that what the one on top thinks they should be able to get away with, if the "foot's on the other hand," they scream foul about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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