saturnian Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 None of what follows is meant to knock any particular distro. Different Linux users have different needs, and we don't all see things in the same ways (obviously)... When one distro gets all or most of their packages directly from a "parent" distro's repos, I definitely tend to prefer to use the "parent" distro. Same thing if most of the documentation is coming from the "parent" distro. I guess this has a lot to do with why I eventually quit running Linux Mint, and why, even though I like Antergos, I don't like it (or other Arch-derivatives I've used) as much as Arch. I enjoy running Ubuntu, but I wouldn't replace Debian with Ubuntu. Some distros like BunsenLabs, MX, antiX, I think they're awesome but I don't prefer them over Debian. BunsenLabs, for example, is actually one of my favorites, a very special distro for those who like Openbox, but I ended up replacing that with a Debian netinstall (with Openbox), which I feel has turned out better for me than BunsenLabs. For me, the derivatives can be useful and I'm glad they're out there. But a lot of times, I'll run them in live sessions, or even install to the hard drive, then figure out how to get what I want (after seeing something in the derivative) from the "parent" distro. Too often, the derivative ships with a lot of stuff that I don't really want or need. In some cases, I'll go with the derivative because it might work better on a particular computer, but then it seems like I can usually figure out how to do it with the "parent" later. I do like having something like MX around for live sessions. Very useful, at times. The derivatives are often quicker and easier to install, but it isn't like I'm needing to do an installation every other week or whatever. Seems to me that I have fewer hassles over the long term with the "parent" distros than with the derivatives. Maybe it takes a little longer, for example, to get Debian installed and set up than something else (seems a lot quicker and easier these days than it used to be, though), but after that it's good for a few years. Seems like I put myself in a better situation if I've learned to use the "parent" distro well. With the derivative, I end up feeling like I need to know how the parent distro works anyway. And I am not installing for other people, only for myself. What a distro looks like out-of-the-box isn't of much concern to me; it's about what I end up with (for this reason, most distro reviews I see are kinda useless to me -- seems like they're usually done by someone who has looked at the installation for a few weeks, at most, not by somebody who's been using it for the past couple of years). Lately, I kinda feel like one distro is as good as the next, but I guess that depends on what the user is looking for. Other considerations for me: The dev teams, and how long the distro has been around. Seen too many nice one-man distros come and go (one I kinda miss: SalineOS). Maybe I should just install Slackware and quit screwing around. Or not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Maybe I should just install Slackware and quit screwing around. FINALLY! Some sensible postings around this place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) In some ways installing and using a Linux distro is like visiting London or Paris. Your first experience will likely be just the highlights and if that is all you ever get it'll still be a pretty cool one. But you'll be more satisfied if you spend some more time in the cities, get off the tourist track and discover some of the more subtle attractions. When it comes to a new visitor you'd want to recommend they start with the highlights too. Nobody should miss Westminster Abbey to visit Hampstead or Camden Town. All in good time. The derivative distros offer a more simplified install, a polished look and feel generally. But in the long run a "parent" will teach you more. That's my view anyway. My first visit to London. My most recent visit to London. Edited April 30, 2017 by raymac46 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Would Slackware continue without Patrick Volkerding? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I believe yes. Eric Hameleers and/or Robby Workman would take it over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Thank you. That's good to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 In some ways installing and using a Linux distro is like visiting London or Paris. Your first experience will likely be just the highlights and if that is all you ever get it'll still be a pretty cool one. But you'll be more satisfied if you spend some more time in the cities, get off the tourist track and discover some of the more subtle attractions. You're probably right. I stayed with the first distro I installed, SuSE 8.x at that time. But then I've never been much of a traveler! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I would think SuSE is a parent distro in its own right - like starting out in Linux with Debian. So you got off the beaten path right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Looking at a Linux timeline. SLS -> Slackware -> S.u.S.E. -> SuSE -> SUSE -> openSUSE. But I think now SUSE Linux Enterprise is based on openSUSE (according to DistroWatch, anyway). Hm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions SuSE was bulit upon Jurix (now defunct) after 1996. Before that it was a German translation of Slackware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurix But at one point it was released as a "sort of" parent distro. I think. Well maybe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 And while we're on the subject of Tradition. This is one of my favorite blog posts. I'm sure it's been brought up here before. http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/12/metaphor-for-the-day.html#more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 And while we're on the subject of Tradition. This is one of my favorite blog posts. I'm sure it's been brought up here before. http://www.antipope....e-day.html#more Awesome! Enjoyed that very much! Wow: Multics (Multiplexed Information and Computing Service) is an influential early time-sharing operating system, based around the concept of a single-level memory. Virtually all modern operating systems are heavily influenced by Multics; often through Unix, either directly (Linux, macOS) or indirectly (Microsoft Windows). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I would think SuSE is a parent distro in its own right - like starting out in Linux with Debian. So you got off the beaten path right away. FWIW, I went with SuSE back in 2004(?) because it was supposed to be one of the friendlier distros to new users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Posted this on the Slackware G+ Community: https://plus.google.com/+VTEricLayton/posts/2i2pisSMn55 For those of you with Google accounts, you can read the replies there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Interesting :thumbsip: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Interesting :thumbsip: Like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Interesting :thumbsip: Like this? Pretty much hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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