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So,You may have heard that the RIAA is offering not to sue music filesharing users if they sign a notarised document and send it in along with a copy of some form of photo ID. Right ... like people would willingly let the RIAA put their name and picture in a database. :blink:

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LOL....I seen that a couple of days ago and laughed.....and laughed.....and laughed.....and, well I am still laughing. Talk about setting yourself up for getting arrested or sued. Anyone ignorant enough to do this deserves what ever happens to them.

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They are looking for real numbers they can put into a database (now isn't that a scary thought, another universal database) and they can take to court to make all their gestapo techniques look justified.And congress is trying to make filesharing a felony?? What is going on around here!I don't fileshare and I don't buy their CDs. We have a closet full of CDs, albums, cassettes....and if we get tired of all that, some 8-track tapes and reel-to-reel tapes to listen to.Many of our favorites we have put into digital form.

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On this topic, someone else mentioned that even though RIAA may keep it's word and not prosecute you, what's to keep them from passing your info on to someone else who will? RIAA doesn't speak for every recording artist/label out there.

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That is a good point Jeber. I hope people at least consult a lawyer before they hand them all their photos and private information. Overall - what has been accomplished - it didn't stop file sharing, they got their name tarnished big time, and now I read about CD prices being slashed to revive CD sales. They should all be working together to develope a online community for people to download music. I would gladly pay a subscription service to download what I wanted. It sure beats venturing out into a virus fill kazaa network and downloading a song that turns out to be completely different than the file name.

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this is all stupid, going after P2P because of 'file sharing'. the internet is all about information exchange / sharing. what next? shut down IRC because people use this for illegal actions? then shut down newsgroups, which are the real 'child porn' hideouts? i guess shutting down Instant Messaging and Email would have benefits too, to prevent porn/games/mp3s being sent from friend to friend. and might as well shut down FTP as well, coz its used by file traders too.file sharing has always been around and will always be around, from the days of copying a friends 3.5" Floppy Disks and using Neverlock on it, to the BBS days, to college days of people offering CD full of warez on them, then to IRC, Newgroups, Napster, gnutella, Kazaa, emule, bit torrent, etc... but what worries me is if too much laws and government muscle gets flexed on the internet to clamp down on this, it will affect EVERYONE, not just file sharing folks. i worry that in a few years, the internet will be fully regulated, with everything tracked and controlled, all in the name of stopping "child porn" or "mp3 traders" or "divx movie traders", and thats a bit too much power i feel comfortable handing over to the corrupt governments of this world. my 5 cents worth (i feel its worth more than standard 2 pennies :rolleyes: )

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Agreed Prelude. Outlawing P2P is nothing but the same old song of government making laws that cater to what Big Business wants with no regard to the individuals rights. If their agument about it being used for illegal purposes was the truth, which it is not, no one could own a gun, a car, a computer or 90% of the things we currently own because they all "CAN" be used for illegal purposes. If folks do not start paying attention we are going to lose most of our rights in the next decade or so. It has already begun.

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good points about gun, car, and anything else that can be used illegally. it made me recall one discussion i had with my dad a few months back. he mentioned that he hopes cash is banned and all transactions are to be by debit card or credit card only (and i can see the government and banks benefiting enormously from such a move). his theory? that only drug dealers and criminals use cash. and lately, in Canada (i dont know how it is in the States), we had such a HUGE flood of counterfeit bills (mostly $100 and $50 at first) and almost every gas station, fast food joint, even some major stores simply REFUSE to take 50 or 100 dollar bills, even after checking it. they REFUSE to take the bill, even though it says "this note is legal tender" on it. and now we have a huge flood of fake $20 and even fake $10 bills everywhere, that i can see an announcement soon that stores can ONLY take debit cards and such. i personally am GLAD of that great blackout of 2003 coz maybe it opened people's eyes not to relly 100% on electronic transactions, as many folks couldnt even buy bread and water at convenience stores coz all they had in their wallets were plastic cards. if you give away all your rights to privacy on the net, to privacy in all your monetary transactions, to being tracked by fbi whenever you fly around or cross a border, then it becomes more and more like a form of virtual slavery for everyone.

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It's the same here, Prelude. In fact, here in San Diego (being a tourist towm) it's really gotten out of hand, much like your situation. And many stores are refusing bills larger than $20.If we all go to plastic...the streetcorner musicians are going to starve. ;)

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It's the same here, Prelude.  In fact, here in San Diego (being a tourist towm) it's really gotten out of hand, much like your situation.  And many stores are refusing bills larger than $20.If we all go to plastic...the streetcorner musicians are going to starve.  ;)
It's inevitable that much of the developed world will switch to electronic money in the not distant future. With technology today, it is simply becoming too easy to make counterfeit money. It also costs a lot to design and print money.As to starving street musicians - there are a lot of regular working people who are suffering right now because their jobs have or are being exported overseas.
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It's the same here, Prelude.  In fact, here in San Diego (being a tourist towm) it's really gotten out of hand, much like your situation.  And many stores are refusing bills larger than $20.If we all go to plastic...the streetcorner musicians are going to starve.  ;)
It's inevitable that much of the developed world will switch to electronic money in the not distant future. With technology today, it is simply becoming too easy to make counterfeit money. It also costs a lot to design and print money.As to starving street musicians - there are a lot of regular working people who are suffering right now because their jobs have or are being exported overseas.
i would be more likely to blame the sudden flooding of counterfeit bills to a big conspiracy than on digital technology. governments and banks WANT everyone to go to plastic money transactions. i dont find plastic safer. a 4 to 6 digit pin code is fairly easy to crack, and i've read reports of people put fake covers over top of atm (or in one case, the entire ATM was fake), and it would read your bar code, your pin you enter, and then it goes and clears out your account. if everything is digital, all money is virtual, counterfeiting will evolve and ID theft will become a highly sought after commodity. so the governments will fight back by implementing mandatory human ID chips (already being developed and tested) so your Identity doesnt get stolen. welcome to 1984, big bro. :wacko: now how is someone supposed to buy a dime of weed in the future? sheesh... :wacko:
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now how is someone supposed to buy a dime of weed in the future? sheesh...
Euros, Peseos, any paper money or heck how 'bout gold. If the US dollar goes virtual then other paper money will slip in to fill the need. The nitwits in government think that elimination of paper money will somehow eliminate crime. What they don't realize is that our money is not backed up by gold or any other tangable asset. It is a complicated fiat setup. It we don't have confidence in the system we will not use it. Back in the late 70s and early 80s we tried to change from Dollar bills to coins. The coins were a bad design and rejected by the public. The way our ecomomy is setup if our money doesn't change hands our whole ecomonic system dies.(No gold to hoard and a dollar is only as valuable as we think it is.) The government quickly abandoned the move to coins(a shame as it would have saved billions of dollars spent to print one dollar bills).The only thing going "virtual cash" will do is devalue the dollar and cause even more econonic problems then we have now. Can you say deflation, depression, and world war? Gee didn't that happend the last time we made a major change in the economic system?
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If you start young with small change, littlebone, by the time you're an adult, you can wear the big money on a necklace. Gotta build up those money-muscles.

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I like the car, gun, etc. analogy. There are so many things that can be used for good or for ill in this world.I seem to recall a quote from the movie "Blazing Saddles" when they were taking the land away from the American Indians (First Nation these days), for a few boxes of ball and paddle toys, saying something like, "they are such children" ... is that what it will come to? That none of us will be allowed to have these things even though they are often used for good and clean fun, work, etc., just because they can be subverted?So can just about anything else on the planet.I say the real problem lies in the sue-happy societies we all seem to be locked in to these days where lawyers can make ordinary citizens and companies feel they have rights and they should go after everyone they can, and who cares about anyone else or their rights.... :wacko:

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12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading
The music industry has turned its big legal guns on Internet music-swappers — including a 12-year-old New York City girl who thought downloading songs was fun.
"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?"
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CNNMoney: Music industry sues swappers - RIAA says 261 cases pursued for illegal distribution of copyrighted music; amnesty program offered
The industry probably isn't risking alienating its customers with these lawsuits since many consumers already have such bitter feelings toward the major labels, he added, noting nearly 25 percent of the survey's participants cited high prices for CDs as a reason for their downloads. "People hate the music labels so much now that I don't think this can make things any worse," said Bernoff. Even if the major labels shut down all the peer-to-peer file-swapping sites, he said, that wouldn't save the industry, since it appears many consumers are more interested in buying individual songs online rather than whole albums. Another analyst, Michael Goodman of the Yankee Group, said the key is for the record labels to come up with a system that would allow music buyers to share files for a reasonable fee. But he's not optimistic the industry will consent to that soon. For that reason, he thinks the record labels will continue to see declining sales. "Ultimately the system has to blow up from top to bottom," Goodman said. "The industry is going to get a lot worse and see a lot more pain before it gets better." The RIAA's actions have also raised privacy concerns. "Stepping into the spotlight to admit your guilt is probably not a sensible course for most people sharing music files online," Wendy Seltzer, staff attorney for Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital privacy group, said in a statement.
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12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading
The music industry has turned its big legal guns on Internet music-swappers — including a 12-year-old New York City girl who thought downloading songs was fun.
"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?"
this is sickening. hopefully the RIAA's attempt to sue P2P out of existence will backfire horribly.next, we need a story of a grandfather sued because his 10 year old niece who came to visit loaded kazaa. i'm sure there's lots of cases like this too.shame on RIAA. boycott them, people. only buy CDs from artist websites directly, or support indie groups, or even hold off on CD purchasing for the next while.oh, and i love how all this money the RIAA is trying to sue out of ordinary folks isnt even going to the "poor starving artists". instead, the money will go to fund further campaigns at stopping piracy (i.e. - more lawsuits).
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PreludeThey say they have no personal info..yet they know enough to sue.....me thinks they are as lousy at researching their legal issues as they are at producing music.....I really have to agree with you..stop supporting "artist that support RIAA......Umm...I wonder if that means RIAA is responsible for music content then...

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since it appears many consumers are more interested in buying individual songs online rather than whole albums.
They just don't get the hint. I know this would generate money for them. I've been boycotting cd purchases since this whole thing started.
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There are 2 things in this thread that make me absolutely sick:The fact that...1.Many people will even admit to stealing or distributing pirated copies of music, software, etc. This is theft, and theft is WRONG (Duh!!!). Period. How hard would it be able to go into a music store walk out the door after slipping a CD into your jacket? Not very. It's not that much less work to search for a file and download it onto your hard drive.Of course, there's nothing wrong with copying or duplicating an audio CD for personal and/or archival purposes (eg.: you wan't a digital copy on your computer, and a CD for in your car).2.We have to worry about counterfiet cash enough to say that such an extreme step of going completely digital with money has to be taken. If the morons making and using conterfiet would actually get off of their lazy cans and earn a legitimate living, we probably wouldn't have this problem so severely.

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12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."
Boo hoo, yes they were. And if she [the 12-year-old girl] didn't know it (which is understandable), her parents certainly should have -- and should have told her.Then again, being "an honor student" -- which her parents stated she is -- she should know to do the math..."hmmm...I know I can buy these songs on a CD for about $20, but I can download them for free with KaZaA...I wonder if this is OK?" Duh...Any fee you pay for P2P file sharing Apps is most certainly NOT for the music/files you are sharing. All your paying for is an ad-less version of the same program.
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A couple of users here have made and concurred on a good point (as will I): that anything can be used for good or evil. Even a bicycle can be used for good if you use it for leisure, newspaper deliveries, running errands, etc. It can also be used for evil, if you use it to run into people or scare little kids, or tresspass on areas where you're not supposed to.But as far as fixing such a problem, I don't see any complete remedy other than to target the source or tool...If a school finds that some of their students are abusing their Internet prevelidges (like looking up porn), the school is likely not going to try to find the students who are commiting the act at first. They're going to remove EVERYONE's internet priveledges until they find the perpetrators. (trust me, I've seen it done before)If RIAA finds that the only way to stop illegal P2P filesharing is to target the companies like KaZaA, it will have to be done until they get it back under control. I know, it sucks for the rest of us, using it legitimately, but that is usally what has to be done.Obviously, there's no way that the RIAA is going to find every single illegal file swapper out there, but I commend them on their efforts to target solely the perpetators, so that they can leave the legal users alone. (Although I don't see any problem with targetting companies like KaZaA, as I see KaZaA making NO efforts to say that swapping copyrighted music is illegal)

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How do you sue a 10 or 12 year old??? - almost makes senseIn today's world it is a known fact that kids no more about computers than the parents, does a 10 or 12 year old know all the legal laws - no. Most adults don't even know the laws and how they work for internet usage.

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epp_b,Uh were you not the one in another thread that was complaining about having to install Windows on more then one machine? You apprantly support software piracy yet have a problem with music piracy. Isn't both just as bad? Not being a critic just trying to follow what is your viewpoint on this.I don't support either. I don't use P2P services and I generaly don't pirate software. I also don't delude myself into thinking that I doing something right. When I do so I am a thief. My problem with the RIAA is more of a issue with IP rights in general. I'm not a Richard Stallman type that thinks there should be no IP rights at all. But I do think that the general intent of our founding fathers has been abused and distorted and that our corporations have in many ways taken over at the common man's expense.

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