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#76 OFFLINE   sunrat

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 07:25 PM

View Postraymac46, on 29 January 2019 - 06:51 PM, said:

Well, I still have Sparky running in VirtualBox without any further problems although it is pretty hi maintenance for an on-the-rails distro. Last update was close to 450 packages. :teehee:
That seems normal for a Debian Testing system. Testing is in freeze phase now so the updates should slow a little for the next few months. When current Testing becomes the new stable Buster, the flood will start again.
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:25 AM

When I first installed Debian on my Thinkpad I was running Testing, but this was during the final freeze before Stretch so things got a bit weird. I switched over to Sid but then I seemed to be updating like a madman. After Stretch was the new stable. I reinstalled and pointed my sources.list to Stretch. I'll change to Buster when it is stable.
Call me boring but I'd rather update 10 packages than 450.
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:58 PM

Agreed on the number of updates.  I don't really have a wide base of experience to draw upon with rolling releases, but Sparky seems to have a LOT of updates, especially compared to Arch and Manjaro.  Siduction has a lot too, but I'd expect that in a "still in development" repo.  Perhaps this is a Debian family thing?

With complaints registered regarding the number of updates, and frequency, both Sparky and Siduction seem remarkably stable.  As stable as my LTS Lubuntu, FWIW!  But even though I've often expressed my desire for a rolling release distro, I'm finding that the frequency and number of updates is a bit of a turn off.  Maybe I'm not realistic, but wishing there was a middle road option.  Rolling release, but to a lesser degree.  Perhaps I've just described Arch and Manjaro?  LOL!  Or maybe just sticking with Lubuntu LTS, as long as the root OS and the /home partitions are installed separately, even on separate drives (which is actually what I do) is the right fit for me.

I'm just gonna keep maintaining Sparky, Arch and Manjaro as guest VMs on my Lubuntu host, until the correct path reveals itself to me...

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 06:52 PM

View PostHedon James, on 30 January 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

Agreed on the number of updates.  I don't really have a wide base of experience to draw upon with rolling releases, but Sparky seems to have a LOT of updates, especially compared to Arch and Manjaro.  Siduction has a lot too, but I'd expect that in a "still in development" repo.  Perhaps this is a Debian family thing?

It's the way Debian development works. Package upgrades hit Sid first often after a stint in experimental. I think the main criteria for Sid is that they actually build. After a short time in Sid to allow some use to determine if there are major bugs they get pushed to Testing. So Testing actually gets a similar number of upgrades as Sid.
Personally I prefer to use Sid as problem packages get fixed much more quickly than Testing. If a bad package makes it through to Testing it can take many days or even weeks before it gets fixed. Of course there's the other side to that argument that some buggy packages won't make it through Sid but they often get fixed in days or even hours.
With both much care is needed to read the list of packages proposed to be upgraded and abort if many are to be removed. It's usually just a transitional phase and will sort itself out if you wait and try again later. Sometimes this takes only hours but very occasionally it may take weeks.
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Posted 31 January 2019 - 10:29 AM

^ good info sunrat!  makes sense.

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 07:16 PM

I agree that Sparky does seem quite stable in spite of the updates. And I'm running in a VM where my experience has been that updates can be problematic. I run Arch on the rails and it's been stable for a year or more. Arch has lots of updates too but more like 100 or so, not 450.
I'm on the leading edge with VBox too. I'm using 6.0 right now without incident. Since the guest additions were baked into the kernel, a VBox update isn't nearly as big a deal.
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 10:33 AM

I just updated my rolling release VMs and Sparky had zero updates for the month!  I'm guessing because testing repo is in freeze now?

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 06:40 PM

View PostHedon James, on 02 February 2019 - 10:33 AM, said:

I just updated my rolling release VMs and Sparky had zero updates for the month!  I'm guessing because testing repo is in freeze now?
I have no idea as I don't run Testing. Usually there will still be bugfix and security updates afaik.
My search-fu failed trying to find somewhere that lists upgraded packages for Buster.
These pages may interest you:
https://release.debi...eze_policy.html
https://udd.debian.org/bugs/
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:07 PM

I just did a Sparky update. About 90 packages upgraded.
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