screen annoyance in RH 8.0

[striker]

Hi friends,Need your assistance with a little annoyance :I'm currently using RH8.0 w/ all updates. No problems, stable, just doing its things.Just Love it.Now the problem / annoyance : the whole screen seems to be outlined for about 70 pixels (estimated) to the right,it has been this way from the beginning. I noticed this too with my former 2nd installed distro, Mandrake 9.0 ,which I have replaced for 9.1 (in 9.1 the problem isn't present)Now there is a little utility called xvidtune which you can run from the commandline, either as user or as root, doesn't matter. So I ran it and was able to correct the screen to my wishes. After a day hunting down the forums (it's addicting, isn't it?) you go out, power down your rig.Then, next session after powering up, you'll discover to your disgrace the screen went back to its former annoying misalignment.So I'll just have to run the xvidtune utility again each time after a boot up. I tried to use the "show" command in xvidtune and copied the resulting "modeline" to my /etc/x11/XF86Config file, as below : (showing the appropriate part, not all of the file...)Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Packard Bell" ModelName "A720" DisplaySize 320 242 HorizSync 31.5 - 69.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 90.0 Modeline 94.50 1024 1088 1184 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync Option "dpms"EndSectionI then edited the /etc/inittab file from a id:5 to a id:3 to get me a textmode after a failure starting x, you'll never know. Man, was I glad I did that...I rebooted and tried a "startx" after login, well...to be honest, I had to pull up my sleeves : no x found !So I had to fire up pico to correct things, as a matter of fact I tried this and that, but always the same result.So at last I corrected back to original format the XF86Config file and rebooted a couple of times, just to be sure I could "come in" into the GUI. No problems, so I changed back from a id:3 to a id:5 the inittab file.So finally I'm back where I started.I'm sure the advanced RH users will have a good time laughing (me too, now...afterwards ) and will immediately reply with a correct answer how to accomplish this task. At least I've learned something, but I do miss something here, what is needed to get these things going the way I like it to go? Does anybody know?BTW : I'm out for Sunday, so don't expect any reply before monday.

[Bruno]

Hi Striker I don´t know if we´re talking about the same issue here, but what I do in those cases is fiddle the buttons on my monitor . . . . the funny thing is that even on a multiboot system it effects only the monitor settings for the distro you are in at that time, and not the monitor settings for the other distro´s. RedHat 9 was slightly out of focus on my monitor too and adapting the buttons on the monitor did put the image nicely in the middle . . . . booting into Mandrake after that I saw that my drake was still as it had been before. ( the same story goes for SuSE that had a screen even more out of balance then RH ) Clever thing to change the inittab before venturing on these kind of experiments . . hope you made a copy of your old XF86Config file so it was easy to replace the ( new ) corrupt one with the old one. Bruno

[striker]

QUOTE:...but what I do in those cases is fiddle the buttons on my monitor . . . . QUOTE ENDYes, that's exactly what I was doing everytime I fired up RH; But I know there's got to be a solution with some entries in a modeline, which will accomplish the same automatically without the users need to "fiddle the buttons" everytime he's starting up the distro.That's where a modeline can be used for.QUOTE:the funny thing is that even on a multiboot system it effects only the monitor settings for the distro you are in at that time, and not the monitor settings for the other distro´s.QUOTE ENDThat's exactly what I see over here at my systems. The only distro affected here is RH, the other one (Mandrake 9.1) doesn't show this annoyance.(Mandrake 9.0 did ! )QUOTE:( the same story goes for SuSE that had a screen even more out of balance then RH ) QUOTE ENDHe, that's funny : I had Suse 8.2 on this rig as well, before I decided to trade it in for "good ol' " RH. Indeed, Suse's screen went even way out of balance, just like the old Mandrake 9.0 : but Suse has this "screen correction feature" which is just accomplishing that what I'm looking for.Once adjusted and saved, it stays where it is, so the screen keeps adjusted to your likings, whether you reboot or not ;I've got another rig over here at which I have installed Suse 8.2 . On that machine the screen was also way out of balance.I'll have a look in there to see what Suse did put in the XF86Config file, maybe I can use that as an example , you'll never know.QUOTE:Clever thing to change the inittab before venturing on these kind of experiments . . QUOTE ENDThanks for the compliment. I did realize that Windows (never thought I could type that word without typos...) is a Fisher Price toy when you compare it to Linux. So I had to be prepared, especially while I know my way around in all kinds of flavours in that Bill's system, but I'm not that advanced kind of user in Linux yet.QUOTE:...hope you made a copy of your old XF86Config file so it was easy to replace the ( new ) corrupt one with the old one. QUOTE ENDThat's what I did before I took the challenge to try to beat this one of annoyance.

[striker]

Well, I did some comparing between the Suse XF86Config from which I was talking in the above reply ; I compared it with the RH one, I'll list them both below :RH's file :-------------Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Packard Bell" ModelName "A720" DisplaySize 320 242 HorizSync 31.5 - 69.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 90.0 Option "dpms"EndSectionSection "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "NVIDIA GeForce 2 GTS (generic)" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSectionEndSectionSuse's file : (from my 2nd pc)---------------------------------------Section "Monitor" DisplaySize 290 210 HorizSync 28-69 Identifier "Monitor[0]" ModelName "P50" Option "DPMS" VendorName "IBM" VertRefresh 50-120 UseModes "Modes[0]"EndSectionSection "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" Modeline "1280x1024" 102.24 1280 1328 1584 1632 1024 1024 1034 1054 Modeline "1024x768" 84.65 1024 1056 1232 1296 768 768 778 786 Modeline "800x600" 37.44 800 816 928 1040 600 600 605 626 Modeline "800x600" 45.55 800 816 928 1040 600 600 606 626 Modeline "800x600" 51.79 800 816 928 1040 600 600 607 626 Modeline "800x600" 58.03 800 816 928 1040 600 600 608 626 Modeline "800x600" 64.27 800 816 928 1040 600 600 609 626 Modeline "800x600" 70.51 800 816 928 1040 600 600 610 626 Modeline "640x480" 23.96 640 656 720 832 480 480 484 501 Modeline "640x480" 29.15 640 656 720 832 480 480 485 501 Modeline "640x480" 33.15 640 656 720 832 480 480 486 501 Modeline "640x480" 37.14 640 656 720 832 480 480 486 501 Modeline "640x480" 41.13 640 656 720 832 480 480 487 501 Modeline "640x480" 45.13 640 656 720 832 480 480 488 501 Modeline "640x480" 49.12 640 656 720 832 480 480 489 501 Modeline "1024x768" 84.65 1024 1056 1232 1296 768 768 778 786 Modeline "800x600" 37.44 800 816 928 1040 600 600 605 626 Modeline "800x600" 45.55 800 816 928 1040 600 600 606 626 Modeline "800x600" 51.79 800 816 928 1040 600 600 607 626 Modeline "800x600" 58.03 800 816 928 1040 600 600 608 626 Modeline "800x600" 64.27 800 816 928 1040 600 600 609 626 Modeline "800x600" 70.51 800 816 928 1040 600 600 610 626 Modeline "640x480" 23.96 640 656 720 832 480 480 484 501 Modeline "640x480" 29.15 640 656 720 832 480 480 485 501 Modeline "640x480" 33.15 640 656 720 832 480 480 486 501 Modeline "640x480" 37.14 640 656 720 832 480 480 486 501 Modeline "640x480" 41.13 640 656 720 832 480 480 487 501 Modeline "640x480" 45.13 640 656 720 832 480 480 488 501 Modeline "640x480" 49.12 640 656 720 832 480 480 489 501EndSectionSection "Screen" DefaultDepth 16 SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSectionDevice "Device[0]" Identifier "Screen[0]" Monitor "Monitor[0]"EndSectionFrom this I managed to distillate a "trial" config file for RH as below :Section "Monitor" DisplaySize 332 242 HorizSync 31.50-69.00 Identifier "Monitor[0]" ModelName "A720" Option "DPMS" VendorName "Packard Bell" VertRefresh 50.00-90.00 UseModes "Modes[0]"EndSectionSection "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1088 1184 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsyncEndSectionOnce RH was configured to be able to start with this config file, it just plain started without problems into a text login, after that I was able to login into a GUI with a startx command ;So I readjusted the inittab file to id:5 and rebooted, no problems : RH started as expected right into GUI mode. BUT ... : I'm still looking at that misaligned screen in front of me, so obviously the modeline I created above does nothing to prevent RH from starting the right way, but it doesn't correct the screen's misalignment either. In Suse it does ! ! So what the heck am I overseeing here, again I'm going to dig up the man pages and read them again, and again...

[Bruno]

Man, Striker . . you have been hacking a serious tweak . . . sorry it did not work . . but the way you go about it there sure will come a time you will have success . . . I guess the two distro´s use a different kernel, maybe that´s where the real cause is. Bruno

[striker]

I guess the two distro´s use a different kernel, maybe that´s where the real cause is.

yep, I know the RH updates did a kernel renewal / update. It really flies on my rig though, I' ve had many hours to tweak and adjust the old one to trick it into accepting the RH's new certificate, in order to be able to update itself. Just this little last annoyance really ticks me off, all I' m doing just doesn' t " take" , sorry to say but that' s just the way it is.

[Owyn]

That's exactly what I see over here at my systems. The only distro affected here is RH, the other one (Mandrake 9.1) doesn't show this annoyance.(Mandrake 9.0 did ! )

What does the config look like for Mandrake 9.1?

[striker]

# File generated by XFdrake.# **********************************************************************# Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of# this file.# **********************************************************************Section "Files" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. FontPath "unix/:-1"EndSectionSection "ServerFlags" #DontZap # disable <Crtl><Alt><BS> (server abort) AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse doesn't work #DontZoom # disable <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching)EndSectionSection "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" XkbModel "pc105" XkbLayout "us" XkbCompat "" XkbOptions ""EndSectionSection "Pointer" Protocol "IMPS/2" Device "/dev/psaux" ZAxisMapping 4 5EndSectionSection "Monitor" Identifier "monitor1" HorizSync 31.5-79.0 VertRefresh 50-90 # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)? # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x480" 65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344 480 488 494 563 -hsync -vsync # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 # This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec # are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and # VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to # delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your # monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor # and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically # used. # 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450 # 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 # 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 35.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 # 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # 640x400 @ 85 Hz, 37.86 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -HSync +VSync # 640x480 @ 75 Hz, 37.50 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # 640x480 @ 85 Hz, 43.27 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 36 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 89 Hz interlaced, 44 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 65 1152 1168 1384 1480 864 865 875 985 Interlace # 800x600 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 640x480 @ 100 Hz, 53.01 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 45.8 640 672 768 864 480 488 494 530 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 60 Hz, 53.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 89.9 1152 1216 1472 1680 864 868 876 892 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 85 Hz, 55.84 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -HSync -VSync # 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1280x1024 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 51 kHz hsync ModeLine "1280x1024" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace # 800x600 @ 100 Hz, 64.02 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 69.65 800 864 928 1088 600 604 610 640 -HSync -VSync # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 # 1152x864 @ 70 Hz, 62.4 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 92 1152 1208 1368 1474 864 865 875 895 # 1280x1024 @ 61 Hz, 64.2 kHz hsync ModeLine "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 # 1400x1050 @ 60 Hz, 65.5 kHz ModeLine "1400x1050" 122.0 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1052 1064 1082 +HSync +VSync # 1024x768 @ 85 Hz, 70.24 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x768" 98.9 1024 1056 1216 1408 768 782 788 822 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 78 Hz, 70.8 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 110 1152 1240 1324 1552 864 864 876 908 # 1280x1024 @ 70 Hz, 74.59 kHz hsync ModeLine "1280x1024" 126.5 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1032 1040 1068 -HSync -VSync # 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 75.00 kHz hsync ModeLine "1600x1200" 162 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1152x864 @ 84 Hz, 76.0 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 135 1152 1464 1592 1776 864 864 876 908 # 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz, 79.98 kHz hsync ModeLine "1280x1024" 135 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +HSync +VSync # 1024x768 @ 100Hz, 80.21 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x768" 115.5 1024 1056 1248 1440 768 771 781 802 -HSync -VSync # 1400x1050 @ 75 Hz, 82.2 kHz hsync ModeLine "1400x1050" 155.8 1400 1464 1784 1912 1050 1052 1064 1090 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 70 Hz, 87.50 kHz hsync ModeLine "1600x1200" 189 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 100 Hz, 89.62 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 137.65 1152 1184 1312 1536 864 866 885 902 -HSync -VSync # 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz, 91.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz, 93.75 kHz hsync ModeLine "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, 105.77 kHz hsync ModeLine "1600x1200" 220 1600 1616 1808 2080 1200 1204 1207 1244 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, 106.3 kHz hsync ModeLine "1600x1200" 229.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz, 107.16 kHz hsync ModeLine "1280x1024" 181.75 1280 1312 1440 1696 1024 1031 1046 1072 -HSync -VSync # 1800x1440 @ 64Hz, 96.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "1800X1440" 230 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # 1800x1440 @ 70Hz, 104.52 kHz hsync ModeLine "1800X1440" 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # 1920x1440 @ 60 Hz, 90.0 kHz hsync ModeLine "1920x1440" 234.0 1920 2048 2256 2600 1440 1441 1444 1500 -HSync +VSync # 1920x1440 @ 75 Hz, 112.5kHz hsync ModeLine "1920x1440" 297.0 1920 2064 2288 2640 1440 1441 1444 1500 -HSync +VSync # 512x384 @ 78 Hz, 31.50 kHz hsync ModeLine "512x384" 20.160 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404 -HSync -VSync # 512x384 @ 85 Hz, 34.38 kHz hsync ModeLine "512x384" 22 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404 -HSync -VSync # Low-res Doublescan modes # If your chipset does not support doublescan, you get a 'squashed' # resolution like 320x400. # 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio ModeLine "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan # 320x240 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio ModeLine "320x240" 12.588 320 336 384 400 240 245 246 262 Doublescan # 320x240 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "320x240" 15.750 320 336 384 400 240 244 246 262 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio ModeLine "400x300" 18 400 416 448 512 300 301 302 312 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync ModeLine "400x300" 20 400 416 480 528 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync ModeLine "400x300" 25 400 424 488 520 300 319 322 333 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio ModeLine "480x300" 21.656 480 496 536 616 300 301 302 312 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync ModeLine "480x300" 23.890 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 63 Hz, 39.6 kHz hsync ModeLine "480x300" 25 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync ModeLine "480x300" 29.952 480 504 584 624 300 319 322 333 DoublescanEndSectionSection "Device" Identifier "device1" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic)" Chipset "GeForce DDR" Option "power_saver"EndSectionSection "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "device1" Monitor "monitor1" DefaultColorDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsectionEndSection

[Owyn]

From Mandrake

Section "Screen"Driver "svga"Device "device1"Monitor "monitor1"DefaultColorDepth 24

From Old RedHat

Section "Screen"Identifier "Screen0"Device "NVIDIA GeForce 2 GTS (generic)"Monitor "Monitor0"DefaultDepth 24

Note change in key word.Also, is your default still 24 in the "distillate" file?

[striker]

is your default still 24 in the "distillate" file?

yes, it is.

[striker]

Changed DefaultDepth 24 in RH config file to DefaultColorDepth 24.Tested and retested.Didn't make any difference.Added "Group "video" to section DRI in RH config.Tested and retested.Didn't make any difference.

[Owyn]

Aaargh. Just guessing but there may be a bug in the RH8/X11 software which has been fixed in the later releases. The fact that the problem also existed with Mandrake 9.0 but does not with Mandrake 9.1 lends a bit more weight to the theory.Checking DistroWatch for Mandrake and RedHat shows the following for XFree86.Mandrake 9.0 = 4.21Mandrake 9.1 = 4.30RedHat 8.0 = Unknown (DistroWatch is broken for RedHat - No package details)Suse 8.2 = 4.30Got it. This shows RedHat 8 = 4.21

[teacher]

OwynYou are becoming quite the sleuth around here. Glad you are keeping us straight. Your posts tend to show a determination to keep at it until you find the root of the cause. Between you and Bruno I think we are in pretty good hands around here!

[striker]

OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.18-14 (bhcompile@astest.test.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7)) #1 Wed Sep 4 12:13:11 EDT 2002Was updated with the latest up2date to Red Hat Linux release: 4.2.1-21Thanks Owyn. You´ re right about the versions.Seems this one would be better of in the ¨ tough questions¨ section for linux, if it would exist ... I´ve searched a lot of other forums today.Guess what : all what´s available is what I already tried in the above scenarios.Well we all know by now that didn´ t work. So I quess I´ ll put this one on lower priority for the time being Thanks for your persistence !

[striker]

Good evening friends,It's a few weeks ago I struggled with the modeline circus in RedHat 8.0 ; A few weeks went by and a few other things happened, I dumped my second distro Mandrake 9.1 for "unstability" reasons amongst others, and replaced it by Suse 8.2 at a temporary base.Well, I'm not that fond of Suse but it's behaving better on this machine than its predecessor.On my second machine I' m struggling with Slackware 9.1 : did a lot of reading work and after that I did a full install and I must admit "wow ! I like it very much, indeed ." On this machine I had to fight with the modeline circus too, but over here it worked like a charme...So I'm in the middle of investigating some other things with Slack on this old rig (AMD k2-500 / 10 gB HD / 512 mB RAM),but I'm considering now to replace the Suse distro on my main machine by Slack too. I thought let you all know where the problem of that modeline thing stands at the moment, and as Bruno stated I'm not going to let loosse this thing. As a matter of fact I really believe the statement of a bug in RedHats kernel becomes true, regarding the subject of this thread. You see, Slack's kernel is of a later version than RedHat's, so it could be indeed true what a member of the forum said about the bug in the kernel version.The whole thing on the old machine just works...(w/ Slack of course)All in all, as it stands now, Slack is asking to take place nr.1 on my main rig, setting RedHat on 2nd place. Will replace Suse to try out things this coming weekend. If all goes well - and I hope so - it's bye bye Suse, RedHat as second distro and Slack becoming the first and main distro.

[Owyn]

Slackware has been using XFree86 4.3.0 since Slackware 9.0.Working in SW9.1 is consistent with theory of bug in older X.

[striker]

You were right from the beginning ..

[quint]

W-a-a-a-y Up!!

[Bruno]

Good thinking Striker !! Slack is my second all time favorite . . . . . I really like to boot in Slack, makes my day . . . . . Mandrake has so many programs I need that is why It´s my work-horse . . but Slack is pure fun-computing ! Bruno

[teacher]

I think we almost have as many fans of Slack as we do of Drake. Now if I could just slide one on daughter's computer instead of what she thinks she needs.

[striker]

Talk her in to the forums and we´ ll see what can be done ...

[teacher]

I went to look up her class for next quarter - "Introduction to Visual Effects Programming" and saw a description:

students are introduced to workstation text editing, LINUX/UNIX file management, the LINUX/UNIX environment, LINUX/UNIX shell scripting and basic object oriented programming."

When I quizzed her about what distro she said "Red Hat" she thought since that is what is in the labs. I think she was just waiting for me to ask. I suggested the forums and she said she did not need them because she has Mom. I tried to explain I am not a Red Hat expert but she seems to think I will be. I guess I need to dust off those disks.

[Bruno]

Talk her in to the forums and we´ ll see what can be done ...

That´s what I said Striker . . . good move ! Bruno

[teacher]

The question is, will she sneak on never let us know who she is or will she use a name that we can tell it's her? If so, will I have to clean up my act?

[striker]

Hmmm , good question ! The first one who' s asking a question about RedHat would be prime suspect ... ... provided its a " she" of course.

[teacher]

And you will know it is a she because?????

[Owyn]

And you will know it is a she because?????

Good question. My bridge nickname (when I have time for it) is MadOwyn.I was frequently referred to as she or Madeline. Didn't have the heart to tell them it was for the "occasional psyches" on my bidding card.

[striker]

Nobody is asking questions about RedHat ... ????

[teacher]

Let's just watch starting the first of January for a new poster with RH questions. If it starts off with how to change a computer from a dual boot 2000/XP to a RH/XP that will be a big clue.

[striker]

That would probably a definite Red Alert phase Alpha !