teacher Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Our favorite penguin has been guilty of avoiding Gentoo. He has snubbed it without ever trying it. What do you think he should do at this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I think we should sentence him to a stage 1 install! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted October 31, 2004 Author Share Posted October 31, 2004 Of course. No self-respecting master penguin would start with a stage 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paracelsus Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Can't We All, Just...Get Along??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted October 31, 2004 Author Share Posted October 31, 2004 Of course. When are you going to get along and start your first install? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozgeek Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I, too, am running a bit scared. I'd like to learn along with Bruno. PLEASE Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 NEVER !!!Gentoo is for snobs ! . . Gentoo users behave as snobs, they only run it because they want to be different from "regular" Linux users . . . they made Gentoo into a status-symbol and that makes them feel better. ( Have a good look around on the Gentoo forums and you will see what I mean )Gentoo is not a normal distribution where you learn things you can use in other linux distro's too: The things you learn with Gentoo are only applicable on Gentoo. Gentoo users like that because that makes them feel different and it adds to the snob-status: look at us, we emerge . . . :PSo: No way I will ever run Gentoo ! :'( Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozgeek Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I guess that means I'll have to dine alone Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Gentoo is not a normal distribution where you learn things you can use in other linux distro's too: The things you learn with Gentoo are only applicable on Gentoo. Gentoo users like that because that makes them feel different and it adds to the snob-status: look at us, we emerge . . . :PSo: No way I will ever run Gentoo ! :'( BrunoThat is where you are wrong Bruno.I take what I learn in gentoo and apply it to other distros as well. I have learned what different files do and how to edit them. I am very comfortable with the /etc/*.conf files now. I have looked in my different distros and you know what? They are there in all of them and pretty much the same.As far as emerging is concerned, it is the same as using apt-get, synaptic, or any command line download tool. It just means that instead of using apt-get something you use emerge something. I think you will be surprised if you ever give it a try. I would compare it more to Linux From Scratch than anything else. Except it is not that hard. A simple -k allows it to take care of dependenices just like apt-get or synaptic takes care of dependencies. I do enjoy being able to compare the updates in the /etc files and seeing what is different and making my own decision on installs whether to accept or decline. I am not a snob!!! I just think you can not judge something until you try it for yourself. Besides you mentioned it first today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 It is a challange , still have problems but is worth it A learning experinceThink about it Bruno Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Well, maybe I was in a bashing mood yesterday, on one thing you folks are right: the Gentoo people on the All Things Linux are no snobs. . . . . But still: no Gentoo for me ;) BrunoPS: Jan, you do not have to dine alone, Teach is an expert on fine foods . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jar92380 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 i just think that hes scared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trigggl Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I veto'ed the poll.Surely, Linux From Scratch is just as difficult and as much of a learning tool as Gentoo. (Not that I would know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Linux From Scratch is harder! You have to run the individual commands of make ./configure etc. and know what order to install things. Gentoo takes care of dependencies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozgeek Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 PS: Jan, you do not have to dine alone, Teach is an expert on fine foods . . Thanks, Bruno, I am sure I'll get plenty of support here from Julia. I will take the plunge if only to satisfy my curiosity about Gentoo.Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg4 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 NEVER !!!Gentoo is for snobs ! . . Gentoo users behave as snobs, they only run it because they want to be different from "regular" Linux users . . . they made Gentoo into a status-symbol and that makes them feel better. ( Have a good look around on the Gentoo forums and you will see what I mean )Gentoo is not a normal distribution where you learn things you can use in other linux distro's too: The things you learn with Gentoo are only applicable on Gentoo.Gentoo users like that because that makes them feel different and it adds to the snob-status: look at us, we emerge . . .So: No way I will ever run Gentoo !Bruno WTG BRUNO I didnt even vote in this one sided poll since there was no options for bruno to make up his own mind on the subject so my vote is ! Bruno for president Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 One sided????What fun would it have been to give him the "I don't like it and I'm not going to try it option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 That is where you are wrong Bruno.I take what I learn in gentoo and apply it to other distros as well. I have learned what different files do and how to edit them. I am very comfortable with the /etc/*.conf files now. I have looked in my different distros and you know what? They are there in all of them and pretty much the same.As far as emerging is concerned, it is the same as using apt-get, synaptic, or any command line download tool. It just means that instead of using apt-get something you use emerge something. I think you will be surprised if you ever give it a try. I would compare it more to Linux From Scratch than anything else. Except it is not that hard. A simple -k allows it to take care of dependenices just like apt-get or synaptic takes care of dependencies. I do enjoy being able to compare the updates in the /etc files and seeing what is different and making my own decision on installs whether to accept or decline. I am not a snob!!! I just think you can not judge something until you try it for yourself. Besides you mentioned it first today. I agree - have learned about editing those files. I have also learned more about modules and learned more about my hardware. I'm learning more about the kernel. The other distros do all that work for you - yes it is nice to boot into a distro that just makes everything work, but learning how to make those things work is a huge benefit. I imagin Bruno already knows how all that works, but it's all a learning experience for me. I like to learn and the more I learn the more I can understand and fix my breakages or even avoid breakage.I still want to do a 64bit system tho, once things are more stable I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg4 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 One sided????What fun would it have been to give him the "I don't like it and I'm not going to try it option?you are orobably right teacher ( about the fun part ) but i still say it is one sided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinultima Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Try it first, then complain about it. That's how my experiences have always gone with miserable operating systems like Windows and Red Hat (I'm eventually planning to try Debian and Gentoo and all those others... just don't have the time and hard disk space at the moment!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodef Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Linux From Scratch is harder! You have to run the individual commands of make ./configure etc. and know what order to install things. Gentoo takes care of dependencies!You've never tried LFS have yuh teach tell the truth The LFS manual tells you exactly what order to install pkgs and I have done it three times and never ever had to worry about dependencies. LFS manual guides you step by step so dependencies aren't a problem. LFS is not hard no way. Lenghty yes hard no. I agree - have learned about editing those files. I have also learned more about modules and learned more about my hardware. I'm learning more about the kernel.The other distros do all that work for you - yes it is nice to boot into a distro that just makes everything work, but learning how to make those things work is a huge benefit. I imagin Bruno already knows how all that works, but it's all a learning experience for me. I like to learn and the more I learn the more I can understand and fix my breakages or even avoid breakage.Agree with the sentiment but again LFS is the way to go for the ultimate experience when it comes to learning Linux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted November 4, 2004 Author Share Posted November 4, 2004 Yes I have tried Linux From Scratch. I got to about page 80 and quit. I think Bruno was getting tired of my e-mails with questions of things I should have already known. I was not ready for it at the time. I know the directions tell you the order to do it. I figure the two are proably pretty close to each other. I know my boot times and everything with Gentoo are about what Bruno was getting with his LFS install. It leaves my other half dozen distros in the dust there. I have it really loaded down at the moment and am still experimenting. I am waiting for the next LFS version to come out before I play with it again. I am in a bit better shape to try it now than when I tried a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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