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#51 OFFLINE   amenditman

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:16 PM

View Postcrp, on 12 June 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

the File Explorer changes are going to drive you nuts. as well as the pathetic search. else, you'll come to appreciate the lack of crashing and how the vast majority of OS things can get done quicker.
That is exactly the thing that drives me nuts about Win7. I am so entrenched in 10 years+ of XP that the changes are near intolerable. I want an XP Pro desktop mode!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:56 AM

Valve Boss Gabe Newell Says ''Windows 8 is a Catastrophe''
Looks like game developers are pessimistic about Windows8 too. Blizzard (Diablo 3) have also expressed the same opinion.
Maybe that's why Valve are actively developing their Steam client for Linux, and are also working on a Linux port of Left 4 Dead 2.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:52 AM

View Postsunrat, on 30 July 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:


Me thinks that Gabe is worried about the MS app store that will be in direct competition with Gabe's Steam store, and he wants WIN8 to fail.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 04:01 PM

Actually, many gaming companies are leery of Windows 8 from what i am reading. It's not just Gabe's Steam store.

Blizzard and Valve Pan Windows 8 - PC Mag

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Spurred on by Newell's statements, Blizzard's executive vice president of game design, Rob Pardo, went on Twitter to confirm that Windows 8 isn't presenting much of a wonderful experience for his company.
"Nice interview with Gabe Newell – 'I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space' - not awesome for Blizzard either," Pardo wrote.

And this could be a lot of it!

Valve: OpenGL outpaces DirectX, even under Windows - IT ProPortal (reprint with permission from ZDNet)

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In a scary twist that reinforces Valve’s distaste for Windows 8, it turns out that the Source engine – the 3D engine that powers Half Life 2, Left 4 Dead, and Dota 2 – runs faster on Ubuntu 12.04 and OpenGL than Windows 7 and DirectX/Direct3D.
The Valve Linux Team breaks it down on their shiny new blog: With an Nvidia GTX 680, Intel i7-3930k, and 32GB of RAM, Windows 7 and DirectX, Left 4 Dead 2 maxes out at 270.6 fps (frames per second). With the same hardware, but different software – Ubuntu 12.04 and OpenGL – Left 4 Dead 2 (L4D2) scores 315 fps, almost 20 per cent faster than Windows.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:53 AM

I don't like it. But it looks like Microsoft is making the right step with Windows 8.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:40 AM

Leo Laporte has been using it extensively, and he reports that he has gotten used to the Metro style interface. He notes however, that it really shines on a touch screen.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:16 PM

Microsoft is making a MAJOR mistake forcing folks to boot into the UI formerly known as Metro, and then booting to Windows 8 Desktop UI from there. That sucks, big time.

Didn't they learn anything from eeePC where folks installed their own OS on it instead of using the 'OOTB' OS because they hated having to do that.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:36 PM

View PostLilBambi, on 07 August 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Didn't they learn anything from eeePC where folks installed their own OS on it instead of using the 'OOTB' OS because they hated having to do that.
I think they learned that if they threw enough money at OEMs and advertising, they could crush the competition even when the competition had a better product.

No wait, they learned that one a long time ago when they smashed Netscape into powder.

No, maybe it was when they wiped Word Perfect from the face of the Earth.

Oh well, maybe they learned nothing.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

i, as many of you, used to laugh-out-loud when borland ran its ads (correctly) touting program superiority against ms's products.
but the ms juggernaut steamed along to victory.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:00 PM

Superior financing, inferior products. The key to success?

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:06 PM

Carpy products, great marketing. That's the key to success, it would seem. Works for our Chinese friends.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:52 PM

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Carpy products, great marketing. That's the key to success, it would seem.
That's the western model. The Chinese way is copy, outposition and undersell the competition.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:19 PM

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... copy, outposition and undersell the competition.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:21 AM

I don't think they are very good at marketing at all anymore.

They are lame! Did you hear that they now want to change the name of the UI formerly known as "Metro" to "Modern" ... I am not kidding. That is so lame!

Microsoft: Don't call it Metro. Call it 'Windows 8' - ZDNet

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Update: On August 9, Tom Warren at The Verge published a post with a number of Microsoft references to "Modern" as a possible replacement for Metro. So does this mean "Windows 8" was just a temporary placeholder? Is Modern the new official term? Or is "Modern" meant to be used in specific instances and "Windows 8" when talking about apps? I don't know and Microsoft isn't talking.

I can not believe they couldn't find a better name for it!

Why not go with Neoteric (At least that's somewhat unique), or anything other than the mundane and extremely overused word: Modern, for Pete's sake.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:19 AM

They probably want to promote the idea that the interface formerly known as Metro is really part of the unified Windows 8 experience. Using Metro and Windows 8 Desktop as separate terms reinforces the impression that the touch inspired interface was somehow bolted on to the WIMP Desktop they've had for 25 years or so.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 04:36 PM

Well, Metro was a codename...... Remember Whistler?

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 04:36 PM

it certainly does.
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pictures of my otherwise useful expensive monitor, now covered in fingerprints.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:22 PM

View PostTemmu, on 10 August 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

it certainly does.
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pictures of my otherwise useful expensive monitor, now covered in fingerprints.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:51 PM

I guess I will be in the minority by saying that I don't hate the name Modern. Windows Modern? Works for me,  guess.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

View Postross549, on 10 August 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

I guess I will be in the minority by saying that I don't hate the name Modern. Windows Modern? Works for me,  guess.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

When I think of Modern, it reminds me of a talk I went to a few years ago on Modern Art. The audience was surprised to find that Modern was anything from 1860 to approx 1970... :whistling:

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:15 PM

Since MS is moving away from "windows" and moving toward tiles and wants everything to be tapped or touched, why not TouchTiles version 1? TilesTouch v1? TapTiles v1. TileTap v1? Tap 'nTouchTiles v1? :harhar: (TTT for short?)
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:22 AM

In Windows 8, we finally get a window-like logo and UI. But in the beginning, when Microsoft said, 'Let there be windows!'  we got a 'desktop' instead. :teehee:  This time, for names/labels, the metaphors should work. Why not call those tiles 'panes', and the UI, Outlook or Visio? :harhar:

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:59 PM

The problem is that they think they can tell people that it was always supposed to be Modern, when all their marketing was to the contrary. They never used codenames for final marketing like this and then changed it mid-stream.

They should just fess up and be done with it and move on.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:41 AM

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When I think of Modern, it reminds me of a talk I went to a few years ago on Modern Art. The audience was surprised to find that Modern was anything from 1860 to approx 1970...
In terms of function and process, the new interface may be innovative, avant garde (which makes 'metro' a good name). But as visual design, it really is modernistic (a worldview that went out of fashion in the 60s). Its elements are simplifications, clean, orderly and structured. The name 'modern' is true to its appearance.





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