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16 hours ago, Cluttermagnet said:

They are

trying desperately to discredit her and bury all coverage of her- but it's not working.

 

If they were trying to bury all knowledge of her there would not be any search results at all.

 

15 hours ago, Cluttermagnet said:

And if you search with an open

and truly inquiring mind,

 

I do. An funnily enough I actually believe that vaccinations do save millions of lives.

 

You will probably find the link below of interest.

 

Is Coronavirus Airborne? Not Quite As Scientist Claims Prevailing Winds From Outer Space Are Spreading the Disease

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Professor Wickramasinghe previously claimed that other deadly diseases came from an extraterrestrial source, including the 1918 flu pandemic. He also liked SARS to a 2002 meteorite that exploded over the border of China and Russia.

The professor said there is a shred of growing evidence that announces this DNA came from space and landed on Earth through micro-meteorites.

 

 

Are Aliens Behind the First US Coronavirus Confirmed Case of Unknown Origin? A Scientist Claim It's Possible!

 

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After a US patient got a novel coronavirus and left medical authorities no clues as to its origin, a scientist claimed that the COVID-19 is the first wave of an extraterrestrial biological invasion of Earth.

 

As to this so called scientific fact video by Judy Mikovits,

 

Fact-checking Judy Mikovits, the controversial virologist attacking Anthony Fauci in a viral conspiracy video

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Science fact-checked the video. None of these claims are true. The video is an excerpt from a forthcoming movie Plandemic, which promises to “expose the scientific and political elite who run the scam that is our global health system


 

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Interviewer: If we activate mandatory vaccines globally, I imagine these people stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars that own the vaccines.

Mikovits: And they’ll kill millions, as they already have with their vaccines. There is no vaccine currently on the schedule for any RNA virus that works.

Vaccines have not killed millions; they have saved millions of lives. Many vaccines that work against RNA viruses are on the market, including for influenza, measles, mumps, rubella, rabies, yellow fever, and Ebola.

 

 

If you want to believe the claims made by the folk above you are free to do so. Personally I think that they are just figments of fantasy by sadly deluded people. 😎

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My, my, we are certainly heavily invested in being right, aren't we?

 

One thing is clear- you are using the tactic of trying to ridicule and smear

any opposition to the Darth Vader mandatory programs. This is entirely

consistent with how the program works overall. People who question the

dubious claims of efficacy and safety, people who have seen first hand

how vaccines maim young people for life are ridiculed and called

'anti science'. Such intelligent, thinking, caring people have been

marginalized and driven from the social media, aided and abetted by

those evil social media giants. Science is big pharma's whore. Insiders

have spilled the beans. we know how this works. Just one example-

the scientist Dr. Thompson at CDC whose conscience eventually drove

him to come clean and admit that data showing vaccinations were

causing autism disproportionately in young african-american males

were covered up. They had a 'data burning party' at CDC, but Dr.

Thompson had wisely kept copies, now in the public domain.

 

You go ahead and believe in vaccines if you wish. I would never plot

to deprive you of your God-given right to vaccinate- yourself and your

family too, if you wish. Personally, I wouldn't trust those vaccine pushers

with change from a dollar. OTOH your side of the debate not only wants

to ridicule my well-reasoned, well-researched position, but also to hunt

me down, hold me down, and vaccinate me against my will! They always

seem to come around to saying "the science is settled". This is abominable

and ludicrous, and amply demonstrates how very anti-scientific they all

are. Science by it's very nature seeks truth by proposing theories and

repeatedly running experiments to confirm or rule out. Thus does the

knowledge of mankind grow. Actually, the science is never settled!

Ever! Truly open-minded people know this. Our history is littered with

the carcasses of scientific theories that held sway for a time, then were

entirely discredited by advancing science. So, too with our current

theories about 'immunization'. They have had their day in the sun but

will ultimately be discredited. Robust immunity is programmed into our

very DNA. We receive quite a lot of specific immunities from our

mothers at birth (most of us). Immunity doesn't come from a needle

jab, mostly trouble is what comes out of that!

 

There are moves afoot in this country (US) to make a whole schedule

of vaccines mandatory, cradle to grave. People like me will be hunted

down and medically raped. There is ample evidence now of a clear

intent to do this. There will be huge backlash against this. Hard to tell

if they will get away with this or not, at this point. It's all out there in the

open. For example US House of Representatives bill 6666 which envisions

door to door inquiries, home invasions, forcibly removing family members

from homes, etc. A spy network- 'rat your neighbor out' etc. A lot like

like the Gestapo, with definite overtones of the Stazi thrown in as well.

Our President is clearly telegraphing his intention to declare martial law

and let the military become forced vaccination goons, in clear violation

of Posse Comitatus- but an executive order signed by Obama makes this

nightmare quite possible. Right now, signs are pretty clear they actually

intend to go through with this madness! Of course, the very next day,

the President is heard saying that the virus will just 'peter out' and

go away on its own, so who knows?

 

I'm getting older now, reached my 70's. I've lived a good life. While I'm

not at all happy about the curse of Covid-19, I was doing pretty well

up to now. A fairly solitary person by nature, I was probably not near

as affected as most folks, who have lost a lot under the forced

'shelter in place'- which makes pretty good sense BTW, and I generally

support it and practice it myself. I'm coping. Felt myself to be pretty

serene and level-headed, etc. OTOH a lot of folks are freaking out

under the stress of all this deprivation, and so worried about how they

are going to continue to keep a roof over their heads and food on the

table. I pretty much was not affected quite that strongly. Then the

'storm' hit. We learned about the very real possibility of martial law

and forced vaccinations and it all 'hit the fan'. Now I'm pretty much

as upset as all those good folks who have lost their jobs and been

forced into indefinite quarantine. It's Defcon 4, folks. I've begun to

see quite realistic foreshadowings of how my life will end. I could

very possibly be the victim of violence against me by others, all over

the rather quaint notion that I am a sovereign being with soverign

rights over my own body. How freakin' ludicrous is that? Most of

the scared masses will submit to pretty much anything in hopes of

getting back to 'normal' (spoiler alert- there is no more 'normal' and

you guys aren't going to like where it ends up) Their submission will

mean my end. Clutter will go down fighting...

 

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5 hours ago, V.T. Eric Layton said:

Hey, David...

 

Here's a site you should check out...

 

Shadowlands - presented by The Atlantic

 

I couldn't get the site to render in FF, Eric. Fought it for nearly 5 minutes.

Fiddled endlessly with NoScript, adding permission after permission.

No Dice. Disabled AdBlock. Did Shift + Reload several times. All to no avail...

 

...unless the joke is "You are a bad person so you get the dreaded black

page with "Atlantic" up at the top"?

 

...

 

OK, finally got it to render. It's a sucky page in more than one sense.

I hate the design. I also hate the message. It is basically trying to make

people who think independently doubt themselves and feel silly.

It's not going to work on me. I doubt I will read much of this drivel...

Maybe just a bit, to get a sense of whether or not I have this page

correctly pegged for what it appears to be- essentially a misinformation/

misdirection platform. I seem to remember forming a negative opinion

about the Atlantic a while back, but can't remember my precise reasons

at the time. Although I no longer trust most of the media, I continue

to follow them, plus numerous non-traditional sources, in an attempt

to remain reasonably well-informed as to what is really going on.

 

The very idea of 'conspiracy' is a distractor designed to try to redirect

the debate. What I have written about here couldn't be called a

conspiracy because it is all out there in the public record- along with

a whole lot of opinion, pro and con, some of which might be

classified as conspiracy rumors. I am addressing the published facts

as we know them- and I use a variety of sources constantly to cross-

check. Like any other person, I have a right- and in this case a duty-

to project forward from the facts to what futures these might imply

for us. As always, the present moment is tree-like, leading off in a

myriad of possible futures, only one of which will happen. We can only

use our intelligence and our instincts to weigh the likelihood of

outcomes. That is what everyone does. That is what I have done.

But I have a lot of good company, those who see clearly  just how

much this fragile republic is endangered. Meanwhile. 'they' have done

a pretty darned good job of muddying the waters- obfuscating,

misdirecting, blinding us all to what is really happening. But enough

folks are starting to see the Emperor's lack of clothes...

 

You are not going to get away with tarring me as a tinfoil hat conspiracy

theorist. I am trying to deal with verifiable, factual data out in the public

record. Yes, I read a lot of opinion pieces. I am mature and intellectually

adept enough at sorting the wheat from the chaff.

 

Now let me remind you I have written on two things so far which can

be independently verified. One is the President's creating a pandemic

vaccine czar and militarizing the entire task, naming an Army branch

and  Army General to oversee it. The second is I mentioned House of

Representives bill 6666. It creates a new spying and home enforcement

branch of government with dangerously vaguely defined powers, but

it definitely does not look good! Maybe they are front men in the

coming attack on basic human rights, calling in the military as

necessary for enforcement when people resist and refuse to roll over

for them?

 

Just one current talking point on that side of the debate

holds that if these snoops find a house harboring any coronavirus

cases and there is only one bathroom, that would justify their forcibly

entering and removing certain individuals from that residence!

Yikes! I would certainly recommend to any of my thinking friends,

if confronted by this sort of nonsense on their doorsteps, to very

politely but firmly refuse to comply! One way or another, you would

involuntarily enter their database for further harassment, but it

would be wise not to volunteer so much as the slightest bit of

information.

 

A similar situation is often created with police traffic stops. Most

people don't know their rights so they blab, thinking they might

create some good will with the officer. But, as always, what you

say can be used against you. The best practice is to respectfully

ID yourself if demanded, and then tell the official "I'd prefer to not

answer any questions. Am I free to go? If the officer suggests a

search, again, one respectfully says "I don't consent to any searches.

Am I free to go?" If the officer persists, point out that he needs

probable cause or a warrant from a judge to perform any search.

Ask him or her what their probable cause is. Above all one must

be very, very respectful to Authority when asserting one's rights.

This should be done, BTW, even if the person stopped is very

confident they are not in any way in some sort of compromising

position. I could elaborate but I'll save details for later-

or maybe never. BTW martial law, if declared at the federal or

state level, renders the above argument moot. Under those

circumstances you no longer have any rights...

 

This new TRACE movement sounds altruistic on the surface. What

a saintly thing- people working in cooperation to overcome the

spread of a deadly virus. What could possibly go wrong with that?

(sarcasm alert)

 

'Run for the hills' is not a good option for someone my age, though my

instincts are telling me that isn't an unreasonable response to what is

currently happening. My remaining viable option is to stand my ground.

Non-violently if at all possible! But there is a limit beyond which I will

not be pushed. I think it is the same for a whole lot of other people,

too. They have been biting their tongues and keeping quiet. So far...

 

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Pete!

I worked for me in FF.

I believe the top is deliberately scrambled for effect.

Try scrolling down a bit.

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Cluttermagnet
18 minutes ago, Pete! said:

I worked for me in FF.

I believe the top is deliberately scrambled for effect.

Try scrolling down a bit.

 

Thanks! Good call, that's what it was.

 

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On 5/11/2020 at 2:59 PM, Cluttermagnet said:

This gets complicated. Testing isn't widespread enough to give us a good picture

of what's really happening. To make matters worse, the test kits are notoriously

unreliable- a lot of false positives! If the intention overall was to sow fear and

lots of misinformation, mission accomplished! And how!

 

I follow a number of diverse sources to try to get an accurate picture of the

overall situation and what is likely to happen. It's not a pretty picture. This will

be with us for a while, and it looks very much like the worst is yet to come...

 

Equally credible sources have the death rate for those who contract Cov-19

anywhere from under 0.1 percent to over 10 percent fatalities. Either of these

could legitimately be true, near as I can tell. All a result of inadequate and

unreliable testing. It has been badly bungled- by design, I suspect. I think the

term 'plandemic' has some validity. Oh, the virus is real, all right- but a

psyop is being run on all of us. Don't believe the garbage about this thing

just spontaneously jumping from animals to humans. That's ludicrous. It

has all the hallmarks of a bioweapon. This thing was man made. Don't

believe the liars who are trying to convince us otherwise. Evil walks the

corridors of power these days...

 

My area is holding up fairly well, it seems. Everyone donning masks and lining

up for just about everything. In fact, I think it goes overboard when I see

solitary walkers wearing face masks. Very  low danger out in the open away

from others. That is just plain silly IMO. I only mask up if I'm going to approach

any place where people congregate- waiting lines, inside the grocery, etc.

FWIW I am in good health and good spirits. Being a fairly solitary type by

my nature, I think the isolation is taking a significantly lesser toll on me.

Still, it has its effects, even on me. I know this is very hard for everyone.

 

I think this thing will spread far and wide. Frankly, I think it only a matter of

time before we are all exposed. Nonetheless I do my part so far as masking

and isolating. Ultimately this is a test of how well each of us has maintained

ourselves.  Those in good health and fitness with strong immune systems

should be able to survive and adapt. Those in poor health will be sickened

or killed by it. and that's a darned shame!

 

Clutter

 

 

 

The problem is that the internet  is packed with "diverse sources"  that will allow anyone to "prove" whatever theory takes thier fancy.  But anyone in their 70s has been successfully vacinated against several diseased that at one time could have killed them.  Smallpox, polio, tetnus, diphtheria, whooping caugh, just to  mention a few.  EVERYONE got those vacinations, so, if they were so terrible, we'd all be affected.

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14 hours ago, Cluttermagnet said:

I am trying to deal with verifiable, factual data out in the public

record. Yes, I read a lot of opinion pieces. I am mature and intellectually

adept enough at sorting the wheat from the chaff.

 

You posted the above claiming to have researched and verified your accusations like this one below.


 

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There was a big scandal recently where the government

of India basically threw Gates et al out of that country. Seems like the Polio

vaccine pushed over there was  causing a lot of cases of paralytic Polio in

the vaccinated population. So there are, no doubt, many horrific photos

of Indian youth, cut down and incapacitated for life as a result of that.

 

 

My reply shows that you need to use another search engine.

 

https://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?/topic/96537-coronavirus-covid-19/&do=findComment&comment=465017

 

Oh and by the way I used DuckDuckGo to find that information.

 

Also you posted,


 

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OTOH your side of the debate not only wants

to ridicule my well-reasoned, well-researched position, but also to hunt

me down, hold me down, and vaccinate me against my will

 

 

I do not have a side or team or organisation, I am simply a single individual posting what I believe to be truthful information. I have never had any thoughts or desire to hunt down and vaccinate against their will any person or persons and I find such a suggestion very offensive.

I have as far as I can see not ridiculed your well reasoned , well researched posts. Why would I bother when you do such a good job yourself.

 

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This will be my last post on vaccinations as I believe that the evidence I have presented speaks for itself. Everyone is free to agree or disagree with the information presented.

 

Eradicating poliomyelitis: India's journey from hyperendemic to polio-free status

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India's success in eliminating wild polioviruses (WPVs) has been acclaimed globally. Since the last case on January 13, 2011 success has been sustained for two years. By early 2014 India could be certified free of WPV transmission, if no indigenous transmission occurs, the chances of which is considered zero. Until early 1990s India was hyperendemic for polio, with an average of 500 to 1000 children getting paralysed daily.

 

That is 500 t0 1000 children a day , not a week or a month or a year, that is every single day.

 

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Post-independence India had prioritized diseases for targeted control - such as tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy and kala azar - but not poliomyelitis, in spite of the availability, in 1955, of IPV with proven safety and efficacy. OPV became available in 1962.

 

 

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India faced a choice. Salk's IPV was widely used from 1955 in USA, Canada, UK and north European countries resulting in rapid control (>95% reduction) of polio. Finland interrupted WPV transmission in 1962 using IPV in campaign mode38. Unfortunately, IPV could not be used to control polio in India as it was not licensed for use even in the private sector. One manufacturer made IPV under Maharashtra State license in 1985/86 but had to discontinue under directions of the Government of India (GOI)31,37. Ultimately IPV was licensed in 2006 when it became apparent that IPV was the vaccine of the future.

Sabin's OPV was licensed in USA in 1961as monovalent and in 1963 as trivalent vaccine. In 1966 Sabin donated his vaccine strains to the Pasteur Institute (Coonoor, Tamil Nadu) and personally trained the staff to manufacture OPV. Under the leadership of Veeraraghavan and Balasubramanian OPV was successfully manufactured; after 6 batches were released during 1968-1974, instead of expanding manufacturing capacity the OPV unit was closed down31. Ironically, WHO was preparing recommendation of OPV's wide usage in EPI that was launched globally in 1974. Since closure of OPV unit in the Pasteur Institute, no Indian manufacturer has so far been able to make OPV in India.

 

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During 1960s and 1970s a few high-income countries had already eliminated polio using only IPV; others had eliminated WPVs using OPV but continued to have an occasional case of polio due to OPV, known as vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP). But polio due to WPVs plagued most developing countries, and EPI was specially designed for them. However, EPI failed to control polio in most of them. Although accurate numbers are not available, WHO estimated that 150 countries had annual burden of 350,000 polio cases in 198851. This was a gross underestimate as India alone had 200,000 to 400,000 annual cases in mid-1980s52,53.

 

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In summary, India has achieved polio free status in January 2011, and is maintaining it till date, as of writing this piece. The special need of the hour is to maintain vigilance and not to lower guard against any future resurgence of polio, indigenous or imported, wild or vaccine, so that the gains made during the last two decades of intensive efforts are not allowed to be lost. Although our journey has been extremely difficult, it was also exhilarating and has taught us several lessons that will stand us in good stead in future disease control/elimination efforts. Perhaps we could have made the programme less expensive and succeeded in shorter time with different tactics being designed and deployed. However, the fact remains that we have eliminated wild poliovirus transmission altogether.

 

Bill Gates Visits New Delhi Clinic To Encourage Final Push To Eradicate Polio


 

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"A world without polio is in sight and India deserves much of the credit," said Mr. Gates. "The coming months are critical. I urge parents in India and elsewhere to make sure that their children are immunized."

Under the leadership of the World Health Organization (WHO), the international community has been working to rid the world of polio by the end of the year 2000. Some 115 countries have been polio-free for over a year. In South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, however, pockets of polio remain and many countries are mounting National Immunization Days (NIDs) to broaden their vaccination coverage.

 

The article below is well worth a read. It does mention monkeys.

 

History of polio vaccination

 

Also a good read is the measels story.

 

Measles

 

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In high income regions of the world such as Western Europe, measles causes death in about 1 in 5000 cases, but as many as 1 in 100 will die in the poorest regions of the world. Worldwide, measles is still a major cause of death, especially among children in resource-poor countries. In 2016 about 90,000 people died of measles. This was the first year on record when global measles deaths fell below 100,000 a year. However, in 2017 global measles deaths rose by over 20% to 110,000 deaths - over 300 deaths a day. This increase was due to gaps in vaccination coverage. See the World Health Organization report .

 

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Over the last twenty years vaccination has dramatically reduced the number of deaths from measles. Since 1990 (when measles killed 872,000 people), it is estimated that over one in 5 of all child deaths averted have been due to measles vaccination. Since a measles vaccine was introduced in the UK in 1968, Public Health England estimates that 20 million measles cases and 4,500 deaths have been averted in the UK.

 

Vaccinations eh who needs em. 🤓

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I find Abarbarian's post to be very well documented.  However, as I stated, if you want to prove how terrible vacinations are, there is plenty of "proof" of that on the internet. You can also find "proof" that the world is flat. Never before has the world seen such a font of misinformation.

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I remember having all the childhood diseases such as whooping cough, chicken pox,

measles, mumps etc. I'm over 70 now and I don't believe I was ever vaccinated for

such diseases.

 

I certainly would refuse any offers at this point. How on earth did humans somehow

survive for tens of thousands of years with no 'modern medicine' and no vaccines?

(sarcasm alert) Some believe, and I most strongly agree, that being exposed to these

diseases in childhood sets us up with a much more robust and aggressive immune

system. Our species is amazingly well designed in that regard.

 

I think I'm a reasonably good exemplar of natural health/natural healing.

I have never had a flu vaccine in my life, for example. And I virtually never get colds or

flu. Go figure. I did contract a pretty nasty flu back in the late 1970's. It was a doozy.

I laid in bed with fever and chills for about three days. Didn't feel even well enough to

call work and let them know what had happened, for at least a couple of days. Later

I had a roommate who told me that flu darned near killed him (as a young man). He

was hospitalized for it and recovered. What did I learn from this? I have a robust

immune system which rose to the challenge and could handle it. A flu vaccine

would not have caught that new virus. Flu vaccines are based on guesswork

and last years viruses, and are consequently not very effective- if at all.

 

Would I allow myself to be vaccinated as a result of that nasty flu? Hardly.

I don't fear needles, not a bit. It's not the jab, it's what's

in the jab that keeps me far, far away. All sorts of vile, questionable

ingredients in various vaccines including dangerous adjuvants containing toxic

metals like aluminum and mercury. Many were grown using aborted fetal

tissue, and most are said to be contaminated by simian viruses and other

nasties. It is alleged that all the 'cell lines' have such contamination. Judy

Mikovits was an insider who is intimately familiar with this. She discovered this

contamination and later refused to go along with a coverup they tried to get

her to be part of. As a result, she has been hounded, marginalized, even jailed

unfairly. I dug deep, and I believe what she is trying to tell us. They are trying to

bury her warnings. It isn't working. Her recent book a best seller on Amazon-

go figure. Folks apparently want the truth...

 

I watched with some amusement a video recently of a conference of these

vaccine goon types. WHO types lamenting that vaccines are becoming a

harder and harder sell, even seeing some M.D. doubts, resistance, and

subtle undercutting of that industries' over the top child vaccination

schedule. It will include, very soon, even forced vaccination for old codgers

like me. They aren't kidding around- but they are desperate, and their

scorched earth actions clearly demonstrate this. It's been mandatory

vaccination for young, vulnerable children for some years now. They

are progressively stripping away parents' rights to decline vaccination

on behalf of their children. I assume most of you already know (do you?)

that children can be denied an education in public or private schools

if their vaccinations aren't current. Disgusting. It's a scandal.

What 'free' society treats its members this way? Your 'freedoms' are

rapidly melting away... Oh, and said parents can then be charged

unfairly with child abuse and/or neglect and their children taken from

them and forcibly vaccinated beyond the parents' reach. Sometimes

good decent parents are jailed over this sort of carp. Disgusting!

 

Another troubling sidenote- desperately needed widespread testing

for Covid-19 isn't happening. They are having a lot of trouble with

false positives. Some say this is due to the extensive, widespread

viral contamination of those vaunted 'cell lines' they use to produce so

many of their products. If Covid-19 virus has contaminated the test

kits being produced, that would explain a whole lot.

 

This thread needn't become become another war zone. I have no

illusions about converting so much as one of you guys. That's not

my purpose. You needn't launch your artillery barrages thinking

you are somehow going to shame or discourage me in any way

so far as my well-considered, well-founded beliefs on these issues.

Maybe we could call a cease fire? Doubt it will happen, though.

People become so inflamed over this matter.

 

I posted in this thread because I am freaking out about the

final assault on our liberty, an assault which says that misguided

for-profit corporations can capture our government and

use it as a weapon to cram their vile product down our collective

throats. That I have no sovereignty over my own body- in short,

no more rights period! My objections are not only to unneeded

pharmaceuticals, however. I also have problems with other for-

profit industries which are systematically polluting, poisoning, and

malnourishing us all. Corporations have truly become monsters.

It's been this way for over a century now. No relief in sight, only

an increasingly bleak future for the majority of mankind, other

than a few happy, badly misguided souls at the top...

 

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V.T. Eric Layton
17 hours ago, Bookmem said:

You can also find "proof" that the world is flat.

 

Are you insinuating here that the world isn't flat? :alien:

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The role nutrition plays in supporting the immune system is well-established. A wealth of mechanistic and clinical data show that vitamins, including vitamins A, B6, B12, C, D, E, and folate; trace elements, including zinc, iron, selenium, magnesium, and copper; and the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid play important and complementary roles in supporting the immune system.

Inadequate intake and status of these nutrients are widespread, leading to a decrease in resistance to infections and as a consequence an increase in disease burden. Against this background the following conclusions are made:

(1) supplementation with the above micronutrients and omega-3 fatty acids is a safe, effective, and low-cost strategy to help support optimal immune function

(2) supplementation above the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), but within recommended upper safety limits, for specific nutrients such as vitamins C and D is warranted; and

(3) public health officials are encouraged to include nutritional strategies in their recommendations to improve public health.”

 

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/4/1181

 

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Information Combat Is the New Warfare

 

Why do USA Today, CDC and WHO want the public to believe that there’s absolutely nothing they can do to protect themselves against SARS-CoV-2? Why do they want us to think our immune system is irrelevant when it comes to preventing and/or surviving COVID-19? Could it be because they want you to feel helpless enough to want a vaccine?

 

Rule 101 of debunking is that you have to present counterevidence. There’s clear evidence showing vitamin C’s usefulness against infectious disease, including sepsis, which is a major cause of death from COVID-19. If you’re going to claim that there’s “no known evidence to suggest vitamin C is effective,” then that means you have to produce studies showing vitamin C is useless against infections and sepsis.

 

So, why did USA Today not bother digging up those scientific references rather than quoting Quackwatch and directing readers to the CDC and WHO websites, where, again, no actual scientific evidence is cited? Could it be because their shoddy journalists are counting on people to not think critically?

 

Unfortunately, we’re bound to see more and more of this kind of irrational censoring of valuable health information as mainstream media pushes the WHO/CDC/Bill Gates narrative that our only hope for a return to normalcy is to vaccinate and digitally track, trace and surveil the global population.

In other words, their answer to the COVID-19 pandemic is the rapid rollout of a global totalitarian regime under which you can be placed in house arrest at any moment and be banned from travel, work, education, leisure and social activities simply because you’ve been infected or not infected/have or do not have antibodies/have or have not been vaccinated.

 

This strategy stands to make drug and tech companies untold billions of dollars, and the drug industry is undoubtedly a key player behind the media messages you see. The drug industry spent roughly $6 billon on drug ads to consumers in 2016, and drug ads (sometimes disguised as content through the use of something called advertorials) make up a fair share of the advertising dollars that media corporations depend on for their survival. 

 

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/05/18/fact-bias-check-usa-today.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200518Z1&et_cid=DM540605&et_rid=874490023

 

 

For me, reading Mercola has a remarkably calming effect. What he offers

is an alternative view of this crisis that is quite hopeful and empowering.

I've been following him for years now, and am very much the better for it.

I am grateful there are also other clear thinkers like him. They make me think,

they make me study the science so I can better see through those who

abuse and contort science to support their ambitious business plans.

 

A healthy diet and exercise are the best medicine. Unfortunately, in this

era of big agribusiness and mono-cropping and polluting the world with

insecticides- and worse- it is also imperative to take supplements, as

outlined in the first quote above, to compensate for the deficient foods

coming from our now deficient soils. For those who can, the answer is to

move back to regenerative, sustainable, organic farming methods.

 

I am most grateful that I am able to participate in a 'farm share' group-

'CSA' (community supported agriculture). I am blessed with healthy,

organic produce on my table throughout the long growing season.

I feel so good about taking care of myself in this way. I wish others

could also do this- lots of others! I pay a little extra in the grocery

store in the winter for organic as well.

 

Anyone who wishes to can research health trends and see clearly

that our ancestors three or four generations back, who often

lived on farms and worked very hard were remarkably healthy.

We have since spawned whole categories of diseases that come with

living with the compromised environment we exist in today. Those

diseases ('co-morbidities') are why so many are falling sick to Covid19

and often dying. Anyone who chooses to can learn these concepts

and begin to improve their overall health starting in even weeks or

months to see some improvement. Better health means better

outcomes when we are exposed to a virus like Covid19- and I fear

that it is only a matter of time before we are all exposed to it.

Remember, all we are really doing right now as a society is

isolating to achieve curve-flattening. The number of people

contracting the virus may not change much, it just gets spread out

more over time...

 

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Biodiversity is our ally.

 

A beautiful, short, four minute advertisement for the Earth.

Wow! Nicely done. I think you are going to like this one...

 

https://youtu.be/yyO9SyeO4ww

 

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On 5/17/2020 at 12:29 AM, Bookmem said:

The problem is that the internet  is packed with "diverse sources"  that will allow anyone to "prove" whatever theory takes thier fancy.  But anyone in their 70s has been successfully vacinated against several diseased that at one time could have killed them.  Smallpox, polio, tetnus, diphtheria, whooping caugh, just to  mention a few.  EVERYONE got those vacinations, so, if they were so terrible, we'd all be affected.

 

I remember receiving various vaccinations as a young child. I strongly remember getting the

smallpox vaccination. There were a few others. This would be early 1950's. I also remember

receiving oral Polio vaccine in middle school in the 1960's. Fortunately I was kid long ago when

there wasn't such a hyper-aggressive, over the top childhood vaccination schedule. It breaks

my heart to see those boys in men's bodies, victims of vaccine-acquired autism. Awful.

Or comatose young girls, cut down in the prime of their lives by the HPV jab. That makes me

very sad. These are mandated- because if people were given a choice, their rights respected,

there would much lower vaccination rates- and boy, how they know that! Thus the coercion...

 

Measles, mumps, chicken pox, and whooping cough didn't kill me as a young child. Quite

the contrary, they strengthened my young, developing immune system. I had all of those,

and remember them as being not too severe. I recovered quickly from them.

 

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17 hours ago, Cluttermagnet said:

 

I remember receiving various vaccinations as a young child. I strongly remember getting the

smallpox vaccination. There were a few others. This would be early 1950's. I also remember

receiving oral Polio vaccine in middle school in the 1960's. Fortunately I was kid long ago when

there wasn't such a hyper-aggressive, over the top childhood vaccination schedule. It breaks

my heart to see those boys in men's bodies, victims of vaccine-acquired autism. Awful.

Or comatose young girls, cut down in the prime of their lives by the HPV jab. That makes me

very sad. These are mandated- because if people were given a choice, their rights respected,

there would much lower vaccination rates- and boy, how they know that! Thus the coercion...

 

Measles, mumps, chicken pox, and whooping cough didn't kill me as a young child. Quite

the contrary, they strengthened my young, developing immune system. I had all of those,

and remember them as being not too severe. I recovered quickly from them.

 

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You probably did get measles, mumps and chicken pox.   You DID NOT get smallpox, diphtheria, tetnus or whooping caugh because you DID get vaccinated for them.  Those were standard vaccinations given to ALL children in the USA in the 1950s.  The autism and HPV myths have been disproven many time over, but you know better because you can find "proof" on the internet.  Smallpox is probably the only one you remember getting because the others are given at an age where you would be too young to remember.

 

BTW, I'm 81 and just wish that the chicken pox vaccination had been available when I was a child.  Chicken pox might not have been too bad as a child, but getting shingles at 65 was pure misery and it is caused by the same virus.

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Yes, I've never had chicken pox. The bad news is that if I get exposed to someone with shingles (active), I wouldn't get shingles. I'd get the chicken pox. At my age, that could be deadly. I'll be talking with my primary care doc about the chicken pox vaccination the next time I see her.

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1 minute ago, V.T. Eric Layton said:

Yes, I've never had chicken pox. The bad news is that if I get exposed to someone with shingles (active), I wouldn't get shingles. I'd get the chicken pox. At my age, that could be deadly. I'll be talking with my primary care doc about the chicken pox vaccination the next time I see her.

I don't know if they can vaccinate older people for chicken pox, but when I got shingles, they did give me a shot to prevent a re-occurance.  I remember it well 'cause it cost about $100 and that was at least 15 yrs ago.🤑

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It's taken its toll...

 

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Wait...aren't those backwards or did you manage to grow your hair back that fast?

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Heh! My hair's almost that long again, but those pics are ancient. The one on the left from around 2011; on the right 2016, I think. ;)

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11 hours ago, Bookmem said:

You probably did get measles, mumps and chicken pox.   You DID NOT get smallpox, diphtheria, tetnus or whooping caugh because you DID get vaccinated for them.  Those were standard vaccinations given to ALL children in the USA in the 1950s.  The autism and HPV myths have been disproven many time over, but you know better because you can find "proof" on the internet.  Smallpox is probably the only one you remember getting because the others are given at an age where you would be too young to remember.

 

BTW, I'm 81 and just wish that the chicken pox vaccination had been available when I was a child.  Chicken pox might not have been too bad as a child, but getting shingles at 65 was pure misery and it is caused by the same virus.

 

Coincidentally, I got the Shingles right around the same age as you. In my case there

were significant stressors operating at the time- death of my closest sister followed

a couple months later by the death of a lifelong, 50 year + friend, followed by my wife

falling and breaking her femur and having to have a titanium rod surgically implanted.

She never walked normally again, thereafter- had to use a walker. Herpes Zoster is

quite the opportunistic virus- it hides, dormant, waiting for decades for an opportunity.

Probably senses the stress hormones building up in the body and springs into action.

 

It was no fun, but I fought it off mainly unassisted. I got facial herpes. Some stabs

of pain but not horrendous. The one thing I had to address was it started to attack

my right eye. Went to an Opthalmologist and received a course of occular steroids

and beat it back handily. The one thing it did was to accelerate formation of a cataract

in that eye, probably just a little sooner than it otherwise would have happened. I have

since had the other eye undergo cataract surgery as well and am sporting lens

implants in both eyes now. I have a few deep scars on my forehead. that's all.

They somewhat resemble acne scars, I suppose. Just on one side of my face.

I wear them without any shame, and view them as a badge of honor.

 

The Shingles vaccine is available to me. I could get it on request if I wanted it.

I don't want it. I'll skip going into all the reasons, but would just remind you all

that the vaccine makers have absolutely NO liability if anything goes wrong. They

cannot be sued, by an act of the US congress. It must be a fairly wimpy vaccine-

I know for a fact that one booster is recommended- or was it two? I have total

trust in my robust, native immune system which, after all, did successfully beat

off the attack 8 years ago, and would kick the virus's arse if it encountered it

again!

 

I am GLAD a chicken pox vaccine was not available in the early 1950's. I'm glad

I encountered the virus in the wild and built true immunity to it the 'right' way,

the way God and nature intended. (figure of speech, not stated with religious

fervor...)

 

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P.S. "Pure misery"? Dang! I am truly sorry it caused you considerable

suffering. I don't wish that on anyone! I understand the version where it

is mid-torso and encircles front to back is indeed worse, and involves

more pain. But my experience was apparently way different from yours.

Oh, it definitely wasn't fun, but I gritted my teeth and told myself I was

going to 'get through this', and that's just what happened.

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Eric the time traveler- still a handsome dude!  :)

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We're all time travelers (forward in time, anyway) if we're lucky, David! Let's stay LUCKY, brother! :)

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We’re not all waiting in line: Public acceptance of vaccines has NEVER been as high as mass media wants you to think

 

Despite what the mass media may like us to believe, there seems to be a quiet majority of people who are wary about the

increasingly frequent vaccines foisted onto the public.

 

For example, authors of the above-referenced 2009 paper, published in Biosecurity and Bioterrorism: Biodefense Strategy,

Practice, and Science, found that the majority of people in their studied sample would NOT accept a “new but not yet fully

approved vaccine” for the H1N1 influenza virus, of the 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic. 

 

The same authors also referenced other research which showed that during the 2007-08 flu season, only 17 percent, 38.8

percent, and 24.2 percent of healthy adults, high-risk adults, and pregnant women were accepting of the seasonal flu shot,

respectively. 

 

If you have concerns about vaccines and the motives of Big Pharma, do not let others shame you into thinking you are alone

in your reservations. Because, you’re not!

 

As then, so too now. People don't want to be used as experimental test animals

by huge, soulless corporations whose business model is built around:

(1.) They cannot be sued for vaccines harming anyone- ever!

(2.) They have captured essentially all federal agencies, collectively,

Those now work for the corporations, often harming the people

(3.) They own sufficient numbers of Congress critters to get what they want

(4.) They have complete effective control of the media. By and large, the

media say what they are told to, truth be ******.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2998968/

 

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/big-pharma-shocking-video-3405.html

 

As has already been stated, these vaccine cabals are becoming increasingly

desperate. People are asking a lot of inconvenient questions. Thus the increasing

coercion- and we have been seeing that for some years already so far as the

over the top childhood vaccination schedule, enforced with Darth Vader-like

intensity.

 

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P.S. The 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu 'epidemic' was pretty much a bust- 'crying wolf', etc.

Back in about 1976 while still in my college years, there was another of these

Swine Flu panics. My two co-workers both dutifully lined up like sheep to

sample the latest vaccine. I quietly declined. I'm so glad I did that. Later,

accounts of people coming down with horrific Gillan-Barre syndrome began

to surface. As usual, a pretty much useless, unneeded vaccine was actually

harming people in a few cases. But back then you could still sue the entities

who had caused you harm, not so today...

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Well, we all know what's going to happen when they start injecting that not-very-well-tested vaccine for coronavirus into our bodies, right?

 

This is what's going to happen...

 

where_do_zombies_come_from_0.jpg?itok=YO

 

You'll no longer have to bring out your dead*. They'll come out all by themselves.

 

*Monty Python reference in case you missed it.

 

 

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6 hours ago, V.T. Eric Layton said:

Well, we all know what's going to happen when they start injecting that not-very-well-tested vaccine for coronavirus into our bodies, right?

 

This is what's going to happen...

 

where_do_zombies_come_from_0.jpg?itok=YO

 

You'll no longer have to bring out your dead*. They'll come out all by themselves.

 

*Monty Python reference in case you missed it.

 

 

 

I've been training for this exact scenario (playing survival games) so I'll be fine. B)

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Me, too. Sadly, I'm no longer prepared because I had to sell off most of my extensive firearms collection and accompanying ammo in order to pay household bills this past couple years. I have a baseball bat, though. ;)

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