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Cluttermagnet
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Interesting how we are in agreement over about ~75 percent of what you cover,

and in pretty contentious disagreement over the other ~25 percent. But I sure

appreciate your feedback! I'm not going to let this stray into a political

discussion, the results rarely please anyone. Just fascinating- how cleverly

and how thoroughly we have all been divided- across societies, across

nations, and world wide.

 

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The disease itself is no fraud but it certainly opens up opportunities for the deep state...

 

Couldn't agree more. They will capitalize on this situation to hurry their agendas

along- and none of it is good for human freedom and self determination...

 

Oh, and yes, it is a real disease outbreak, and just as nasty as one might expect,

considering its genome shows clearly and indisputably it is a freakin'

bio-engineered weapon that got loose...

 

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P.S. Yes, the Shiva Ayyadurai interview and article- I had found that this

morning and set it aside because the video was about 1:27:nn in length and I

want to digest it in one session. I can tell already from Mercola's comments

that I am going to be largely in agreement with Ayydurai...

 

P.P.S. I cannot tell from your comments whether or not you read the

Stansberry piece. If so, you consider it crackpot? Just curious. I think he

largely nailed it. The fraud part IS the lockdown...

 

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securitybreach

Oh without a doubt, they are taking advantage of the situation to the fullest. Apple and Google are already pushing out software that essentially links phones together via bluetooth,  wifi, etc. all in the name of tracking COVID-19 outbreaks. They are pushing these updates out via their App stores. Google is doing it as part of the Android framework auto update but I do not know Apple is pushing out.

 

Apple and Google are building a coronavirus tracking system into iOS and Android
Android phones will get the COVID-19 tracking updates via Google Play. The updates will come to Android 6.0 marshmallow phones and above.

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Cluttermagnet
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Hee hee- my old-school flip phone cell phone is kept turned off and

wrapped in aluminum foil. I do keep it charged, use it once in a while...

 

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sunrat

The US has the worst incidence of the virus in the world so I guess there will be thousands of articles from armchair experts who think they could have managed it better.

I'm happy to be in Australia anyway. Our geographical isolation and low population density has given us a unique advantage in this. We are in basic lockdown but allowed to go out to exercise or do shopping, work, or for medical reasons and most people are complying with a certain amount of whinging. Most non-essential business is closed. 6,566 cases with 68 deaths to date.

For those dreaming of a vaccine soon or ever -  We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult

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securitybreach
9 minutes ago, Cluttermagnet said:

Hee hee- my old-school flip phone cell phone is kept turned off and

wrapped in aluminum foil. I do keep it charged, use it once in a while...

 

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Well the tin foil blocked the signals but we haven't  had tinfoil since WWII

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Cluttermagnet
1 minute ago, securitybreach said:

 

Well the tin foil blocked the signals but we haven't  had tinfoil since WWII

 

 

?? Both are conductors and both will function as Faraday cages, i.e.

block signals. Congrats- you overcame that powerful urge to use the

phrase "tinfoil hat" in response to my postings... Hee hee... but perhaps

couldn't resist the impulse to slip it in surreptitiously... (grin)

 

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Cluttermagnet
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8 minutes ago, sunrat said:

The US has the worst incidence of the virus in the world so I guess there will be thousands of articles from armchair experts who think they could have managed it better.

I'm happy to be in Australia anyway. Our geographical isolation and low population density has given us a unique advantage in this. We are in basic lockdown but allowed to go out to exercise or do shopping, work, or for medical reasons and most people are complying with a certain amount of whinging. Most non-essential business is closed. 6,566 cases with 68 deaths to date.

For those dreaming of a vaccine soon or ever -  We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult

 

Here in the US it is pretty similar to what you describe for Oz...

 

Permitted to go to grocery stores but must don a mask. Can go

to doctors, etc... Many work places completely closed, however...

 

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securitybreach
14 minutes ago, Cluttermagnet said:

 

Here in the US it is pretty similar to what you describe for Oz...

 

Permitted to go to grocery stores but must don a mask. Can go

to doctors, etc... Many work places completely closed, however...

 

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How are eye doctors not considered essential? I need some new glasses and an exam so I called the place where I got them before. They want to put me on a list as they are not taking patients right now. I have glasses now but you would think that being able to see would be pretty essential.

 

But I can go to any mechanic shop as they are considered essential. I'd say the eyes are up there with getting a flat tire fixed. I had to get some new tires last week and had no problem doing so.

 

At this point, businesses are just picking and choosing what will be open to the public.

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Bookmem
6 minutes ago, securitybreach said:

 

How are eye doctors not considered essential? I need some new glasses and an exam so I called the place where I got them before. They want to put me on a list as they are not taking patients right now. I have glasses now but you would think that being able to see would be pretty essential.

 

But I can go to any mechanic shop as they are considered essential. I'd say the eyes are up there with getting a flat tire fixed. I had to get some new tires last week and had no problem doing so.

 

At this point, businesses are just picking and choosing what will be open to the public.

Consider yourself lucky.  I'm not even allowed to go to the grocery.  I can go down to the lobby, wearing a facemask, for my mail or even outside for a little sunshine.  But if I go to the doctor or grocery shopping, I'll be confined to my apt for the next 14 days.  Then again, places for the elderly like mine, have become death traps, so I guess the restrictions are necessary.

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2 minutes ago, Bookmem said:

Consider yourself lucky.  I'm not even allowed to go to the grocery.  I can go down to the lobby, wearing a facemask, for my mail or even outside for a little sunshine.  But if I go to the doctor or grocery shopping, I'll be confined to my apt for the next 14 days.  Then again, places for the elderly like mine, have become death traps, so I guess the restrictions are necessary.

 

Understandable. We can go to most places as long as they are open. We have to get food to go, can't go to the bars or get a haircut but other than that, I go to the  grocery store regularly and other places without any issues. I go down to City Park every Saturday and Sunday. There are a lot more people out and about exercising and such. They are keeping social distance around other people but I see way more families out walking  their dog or biking with kids.
 

Now if I were older, I probably wouldn't leave the house but I see elderly out walking around and such in my neighborhood.

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V.T. Eric Layton

Well, I'll just copy here what I replied to Cluttermagnet's posting at my Cabin In the Woods forum:

 

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Sorry. The fact of the matter is that millions are sick and many are dying. I don't see this being any kind of joke or conspiracy. It's a fact. Hospitals in many large cities are overrun right now. Health care personnel are sickening and dying, also. This IS NO JOKE.

The ONLY way we're going to survive this **** is for EVERYONE TO STAY THE **** HOME! These idiots out in the streets protesting the new "shelter in place" rules in many states will find this out soon when they're all in ICUs and having a machine breath for them, if there are any machines available.

I will not comment on this futher. You can believe what you like, David, but the facts are people ARE DYING.

 

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DISREGARD THE ABOVE REPLY. I think I misunderstood something that David (Cluttermagnet) was saying above. Sorry.

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Bookmem
8 minutes ago, securitybreach said:

 

Understandable. We can go to most places as long as they are open. We have to get food to go, can't go to the bars or get a haircut but other than that, I go to the  grocery store regularly and other places without any issues. I go down to City Park every Saturday and Sunday. There are a lot more people out and about exercising and such. They are keeping social distance around other people but I see way more families out walking  their dog or biking with kids.
 

Now if I were older, I probably wouldn't leave the house but I see elderly out walking around and such in my neighborhood.

I get groceries delivered from Rouse's.  When you've been locked down for over a month, even grocery deliveries become an event to whichl you look forward.  Tomorrow between 10 and noon!!! 🤗  And you wouldn't beleive all the online junk I've been buying just to be getting packages.  My computers have been getting all kinds of upgrades.🤩

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Cluttermagnet
13 minutes ago, V.T. Eric Layton said:

Well, I'll just copy here what I replied to Cluttermagnet's posting at my Cabin In the Woods forum:

 

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Sorry. The fact of the matter is that millions are sick and many are dying. I don't see this being any kind of joke or conspiracy. It's a fact. Hospitals in many large cities are overrun right now. Health care personnel are sickening and dying, also. This IS NO JOKE.

The ONLY way we're going to survive this **** is for EVERYONE TO STAY THE **** HOME! These idiots out in the streets protesting the new "shelter in place" rules in many states will find this out soon when they're all in ICUs and having a machine breath for them, if there are any machines available.

I will not comment on this futher. You can believe what you like, David, but the facts are people ARE DYING.

 

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Siiighhhh! Eric, where have I ever written that people are not dying from Covid-19?

Please point me to such writings; I will surely correct them if that's what I actually

said! Seems more likely you are misinterpreting something...

 

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And we just follow the CDC guidelines:

Clean your hands often

Avoid close contact

Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

Clean and disinfect

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
 

You can follow these guidelines and still leave the house, just keep social distancing and wear a mask if going to the market.

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Bookmem
4 minutes ago, securitybreach said:

And we just follow the CDC guidelines:

Clean your hands often

Avoid close contact

Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

Clean and disinfect

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
 

You can follow these guidelines and still leave the house, just keep social distancing and wear a mask if going to the market.

I have surgical gloves, facemask and homemade alchohol wipes.  (Dustcloths soaked from bottled isopropal.)  I get off the elevator if someone else gets on.  All that just to collect my mail!!  But I'm 81 yrs old with mild emphysema and I'm being careful.

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securitybreach
1 minute ago, Bookmem said:

I have surgical gloves, facemask and homemade alchohol wipes.  (Dustcloths soaked from bottled isopropal.)  I get off the elevator if someone else gets on.  All that just to collect my mail!!  But I'm 81 yrs old with mild emphysema and I'm being careful.

 

I do not blame you a bit, I would be doing the same. Stay safe!

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How are eye doctors not considered essential?

It doesn't have to do with essential BUT where the work is being done. You don't want anyone touching your eyes, nose or mouth. You also should keep your hands away from your face so that's why anything dealing with those 3 areas are off limits for now. 50% - 75% of people are asymptomatic. Meaning, they go to work, appear unaffected but may infect others.

We've had 2 eye doctors and 2 vision exams cancelled. I suspect the next to cancel will be the dentist and the periodontist. If they didn't cancel, I was about to. I said to my husband, think about how many people touch the thing you hold up to cover one eye when reading the eye chart.

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Cluttermagnet
3 minutes ago, Bookmem said:

I have surgical gloves, facemask and homemade alchohol wipes.  (Dustcloths soaked from bottled isopropal.)  I get off the elevator if someone else gets on.  All that just to collect my mail!!  But I'm 81 yrs old with mild emphysema and I'm being careful.

 

Stay well. Your mindfullness can keep you alive. Keep it up!

I'm early 70's and I'm a little worried myself!

 

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securitybreach
40 minutes ago, zlim said:

It doesn't have to do with essential BUT where the work is being done. You don't want anyone touching your eyes, nose or mouth. You also should keep your hands away from your face so that's why anything dealing with those 3 areas are off limits for now. 50% - 75% of people are asymptomatic. Meaning, they go to work, appear unaffected but may infect others.

We've had 2 eye doctors and 2 vision exams cancelled. I suspect the next to cancel will be the dentist and the periodontist. If they didn't cancel, I was about to. I said to my husband, think about how many people touch the thing you hold up to cover one eye when reading the eye chart.


Yeah, but there are ways that they can protect themselves. Anytime that I've been to the eye doctor, you simply look at a chart and look through a machine telling the doctor which one looks clearer.  

 

I am pretty sure that it could be done from 8 feet away and machines could be disinfected. But I get it.

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ebrke

All doctors in my area are cancelling routine appointments, even cardiologists. My state is very hard-hit--other places may not be quite so strictly controlled. No doctor wants his patients dying because one of them might have been infectious in the waiting room.

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Just now, ebrke said:

All doctors in my area are cancelling routine appointments, even cardiologists. My state is very hard-hit--other places may not be quite so strictly controlled. No doctor wants his patients dying because one of them might have been infectious in the waiting room.

Well I live in a highly infected area.

 

New Orleans, Louisiana

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ebrke
1 minute ago, securitybreach said:


Yeah, but there are ways that they can protect themselves. Anytime that I've been to the eye doctor, you simply look at a chart and look through a machine telling the doctor which one looks clearer.  

 

I am pretty sure that it could be done from 8 feet away and machines could be disinfected. But I get it.

Depends what kind of exam. My ophthalmologist always does retinal exam after dilation which means he's 6 inches away from my face for a period of time. And I'd be a little nervous about "disinfecting" the machines, particularly the one that touches the surface of my eye to determine internal pressure.

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I was referring to a simple eye exam to fit for glasses or contacts.

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V.T. Eric Layton
11 hours ago, Cluttermagnet said:

Siiighhhh! Eric, where have I ever written that people are not dying from Covid-19?

Please point me to such writings; I will surely correct them if that's what I actually

said! Seems more likely you are misinterpreting something...

 

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Sorry, David. See my Edit above (and at the Cabin). I think I misunderstood you.

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sunrat
10 hours ago, ebrke said:

Depends what kind of exam. My ophthalmologist always does retinal exam after dilation which means he's 6 inches away from my face for a period of time.

 

Ooops, I speed read over that and saw "rectal exam" but stopped when I thought "that's not what ophthalmologists do" 😊

I have psychologist and physiotherapist appointments on hold and had to do a telehealth online appointment last week which was originally a clinic appointment.

 

Went for a walk yesterday along my local High St. and didn't see anyone wearing face masks. It almost feels like it's nearly over here but I'm sure the borders will stay closed for a long time still.

It's a bit random what is classed as essential services here. Hairdressers and takeaway food are allowed but massage parlours are not. I consider a monthly Thai massage essential for my arthritis, my shoulder hurts now. Vape shops, booze shops, and cigarette shops are considered essential here and mostly are open.

 

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No optometrists, dentists, audiologists available in Canada. My wife recently had cataract surgery but cannot get new glasses yet. Fortunately she sees OK and can use the drugstore glasses for reading.

We are in a small town and should in theory be safe, but close to 20 people have already died in a long term care home not far from us. I think there are two COVID-19 pandemics out there - a relatively mild one for younger folks and a plague for the very old or health compromised.

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As I've been aging, "medical stuff" is starting to go wrong.

 

Each time something happens, I usually end up with a new specialist. After treatment, each specialist usually schedules follow-up tests and visits every six months. Life soon became a series of CT-Scans, MRIs, sonograms, and office visits.

 

Now, I'm finding out either:

  • How little of it was actually necessary.

OR

  • That, if there's any risk to the provider, old pharts are expendable.
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raymac46

Deaths at the LTC home now up to 23.

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I just saw a report on TV and don't get why hordes of people are protesting about lockdown restrictions in the US. Something to do with insult to freedom. So they want the freedom to get really sick and/or die? Darwin award contenders for sure.

It's pretty obvious the US hasn't got far in slowing the number of new cases yet.

 

There is an upside to this. Maybe Mother Nature decided it's time to have a huge spring cleaning and reboot Earth. It's already making a drastic reduction in air pollution. The human race taking over the planet has poignant similarities to a virus.

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