Cluttermagnet Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) Hi, All- Aw c'mon, you know exactly what I mean. UFO's and space aliens. So, matey- are ye' a believer yet? If you're more comfortable we can call it 'UAP' (unexplained aerial phenomena). That's the latest buzz-acronym. In all seriousness, yours truly certainly is! And Clutter has never even seen one. You guys want to talk about this? Or are ye' still a bit shy? There has been a very effective obfuscation and ridicule program going on for decades that has been surprisingly effective at obstructing, but that evil spell is fast wearing off... My eyes have been opened the past few years in particular, though my hunches in the area hail back to my teen years. 2019 was a signal year in this area. The cat is out of the bag... Clutter Edited January 31, 2020 by Cluttermagnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I was a big researcher into all things UFO when I was a wee lad and young adult. However, as I aged and became wiser in the way of Physics, I had to come to the conclusion that UFOs may be unidentifiable, but they are not aliens from other worlds within this known Universe. Why not, you ask? Well, basically because the distances between our world and others are so unimaginably vast that there is just no way, working with the known laws of Physics, that any beings could travel to our planet for a visit unless they spend many generations (100s of them or more) on self-sustaining star ships that travel at least 75% the speed of light (168K miles/second). I'd be more inclined to believe that if there are any "alien" visitors, such as those flying the object in the tic-tac video, then they are most likely us from the future and have learned how to time-travel or multi-universal travel. Believe it or not, time travel or travel between multi-verses is a more reasonable theory than is faster-than-light travel. But hey... I'm a couple BSes, a Masters, and a PhD short on my Physics education, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 My skepticism is rooted in the fact that we're in such a backwater, on the outer edges of a fairly large galaxy, way off the beaten track for any travelers. I also tend to think that the obstacles to a civilization developing to the point of viable interstellar travel are so great that there probably aren't many around. The highly unlikely things that need to happen for life even to begin, let alone thrive for millennia, make me feel that we're probably pretty much alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 2 hours ago, ebrke said: My skepticism is rooted in the fact that we're in such a backwater, on the outer edges of a fairly large galaxy, way off the beaten track for any travelers. Hopefully that makes us safe from being vaporised to make way for a hyperspace bypass. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Oh, I don't for a minute believe we are alone in this Universe. The odds against that are truly astronomical (punny, huh?). Even if the odds of life developing on a planet are as ridiculously high as science seems to think they were here on this rock, the just absolutely overwhelming number of star systems and habitable planets in this universe just totally wipe out the high odds argument for development of life elsewhere. There are approximately 100 BILLION stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone. There are between 100 Billion and 200 Billion galaxies in the observable (by us) universe. You can do the math if you'd like. Somewhere in this vastness, there is life of some sort... simple bacteria up to and including (possibly highly) intelligent life. We'll never meet them, though, because of the distances that separate us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, sunrat said: Hopefully that makes us safe from being vaporised to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Oh, that's not what you're going to need to be worrying about. This is: 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) Yep. Oh how well I remember that episode, "To Serve Man". Chilling... OK, so I've got mostly skeptics here. No problemo. Don't know how much time and effort I will be able to invest in this. There has been so much denial for so very, very long that getting the bulk of humanity on board with this reality is going to be similar to pulling teeth. Further, trying to get folks to see more clearly what the epic events recorded in human history and pre-history really were is going to stomp all over religious sensibilities. I get that. What makes the 2017-2019 period particularly tantalizing is that we are finally seeing the first fits and starts of something that has been repressed to the max for at least the past 70 years or more. Things are starting to leak out. One prominent 'UFO researcher' Richard Dolan has characterized the process as 'slow disclosure'. BTW if you have a few spare minutes from worrying about the building corona virus epidemic worldwide- it's going to be a big event with a lot of deaths- Richard Dolan would provide you with some enlightening food for thought. He is a legitimate scholar who trained as a historian, but his interests were piqued by the UFO phenomenon over 25 years ago. I find him and his charming wife Tracey quite captivating and I've learned a lot from them. He takes an evidence based approach- refreshing! And there is a good bit of evidence out there, guys, it's just been well suppressed up to now. Dolan's interesting/scholarly talks are all over YouTube, many of them, in bite size 30-60+ minute chunks. There are numerous other 'UFO writers' I wouldn't want to be within miles of- they are pretty obviously frauds. Yep, Dolan is a good place to start because he will get you thinking and won't insult your intelligence with wild-eyed, totally unprovable cr*p. It seems many of you have been exposed to the 'TicTac' US Navy footage. That is real. The Navy has gone on record publicly that the TicTac is 'not one of ours' and that the footage is legitimate. They grumbled a little about its release but there it is in all its glory, out in the public record now. Even more fascinating, I think, is the leaking of the 'Wilson paper'. Go google that one. It confirms, according to a high ranking Naval officer, pretty much all the woo woo stuff that is out there- to some degree- because obviously there is also a lot of made up, contrived cr*p as well- but it is definitely possible to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were... Dolan is very good at that! The Wilson paper essentially confirms the reality of various UFO crashes and other craft acquisitions, including the recovery of aliens, living and dead. It clearly points towards a vast, undercover effort to study and understand alien technology being conducted by private industry with the world's governments as essentially their servants. (See Little Orphan Annie- 'Daddy Warbucks') Apparently we have had some limited success at understanding and to a degree duplicating their tech, but a lot of it is apparently still inscrutable to very limited humans... We are still more like cave men who don't even know about the GEICO ads... (sorry, couldn't resist) For comic relief, go listen to the entire 45 minutes or so of "Everything You Know is Wrong" by the Firesign Theatre. It's a hoot! You can live stream it from You tube. But if you are interested in the real deal, and you have just a tiny bit of an open mind, start with Dolan. He will knock your socks off, perhaps some day even bring you around a little towards an 'all my heart and all my mind' level of belief, which is where I am now. A lot of this stuff is encoded in the various histories of humans, including the 'holy books' of said humans. It can be found in Indian and Asian mythologies as well, and parts of it, little pieces, have made it all the way to our own times, albeit in fairly cryptic form. But it's there. When and if humanity becomes ready, more will be revealed. I believe we are on the cusp of that right now. We humans have developed our own crude technologies. We are ready now to understand we have encountered vastly more potent technologies in our human past. Reminds me of the line in "Dune" based on the Frank Herbert SF novel: "The sleeper must awake!" OK, your eyes are glazing over- I'll let meself out now... Clutter Edited February 2, 2020 by Cluttermagnet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) On 1/31/2020 at 9:20 PM, V.T. Eric Layton said: I'd be more inclined to believe that if there are any "alien" visitors, such as those flying the object in the tic-tac video, then they are most likely us from the future and have learned how to time-travel or multi-universal travel. Believe it or not, time travel or travel between multi-verses is a more reasonable theory than is faster-than-light travel. Eric- Current thinking in the UFO community is that many though certainly not all sightings since, roughly, 1950 are of craft reverse-engineered by humans. But OTOH too many of the first person close encounter stories are clearly with craft that are not manned by humans! The structure of lies and obfuscation shoring up all the ridicule of these many, many sightings is groaning under the weight of all that desperate falsification. It's only a matter of time before it gives way and the inescapable truth is laying out in the open at our collective feet. Perhaps in out lifetimes, but there is so much desperate secrecy mitigating against that. If true, and I believe it is totally true, we are looking at the most monstrous swindle, a vast embezzlement of the public funds, in human history. In recent years a Secretary of Defense went before Congress and admitted there are billions of dollars in 'defense money' unaccounted for. They later walked that back. Many do not believe them... I'll address FTL travel in another post, Eric. It is only one possibility being considered, and you point out some other possibly reasonable explanations above. Clutter Edited February 2, 2020 by Cluttermagnet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Well, I'll give you +1s on those posts just for Effort. However, I won't get into a debate about stuff like this because it always ends up very similarly to conversations about religion or politics. So, for now... I'll just Ummm-hmmm... and nod my head a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 Hee hee! But I planted a tiny seed in your collective minds. Let's see what, if anything, germinates... Clutter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) "Why are you crying, Johnny?" "My lead balloon crashed, Mom. I think someone shot it down (sob)" Edited February 5, 2020 by Cluttermagnet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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