securitybreach Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Wow, this is completely nuts: NSA: Linux Journal is an "extremist forum" and its readers get flagged for extra surveillance A new story published on the German site Tagesschau and followed up byBoingBoing and DasErste.de has uncovered some shocking details about who the NSA targets for surveillance including visitors to Linux Journal itself. While it has been revealed before that the NSA captures just about all Internet traffic for a short time, the Tagesschau story provides new details about how the NSA's XKEYSCORE program decides which traffic to keep indefinitely. XKEYSCORE uses specific selectors to flag traffic, and the article reveals that Web searches for Tor and Tails--software I've covered here in Linux Journal that helps to protect a user's anonymity and privacy on the Internet--are among the selectors that will flag you as "extremist" and targeted for further surveillance. If you just consider how many Linux Journal readers have read our Tor and Tails coverage in the magazine, that alone would flag quite a few innocent people as extremist... http://www.linuxjour...ra-surveillance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I guess I should expect the black helicopters to land on the lawn any day now. On further thought, maybe just wanting to use an alternative operating system is enough to make you suspect. Any deviation from the norm . . . Edited July 3, 2014 by ebrke 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Right.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 UH OH! I actually used to subscribe to the dead tree format, too. My ascii is grascii! I guess I should expect the black helicopters to land on the lawn any day now. On further thought, maybe just wanting to use an alternative operating system is enough to make you suspect. Any deviation from the norm . . . Google and Microsoft have a large lobbying network. Makes one wonder, huh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I guess I should expect the black helicopters to land on the lawn any day now. [...] They have already been there.you just aren't that interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Some days the Sicorski passes overhead a few times. I think they are just intrigued by my building technique. :clap: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The black helos are now using a cloaking device that was borrowed from the craft at Area 51. They had to work out some kinks, but it's been in use for about two years now. So, this is what the black helos look like now... ___________________________________________ __________________________________________ Impressive, huh? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 UH OH! I actually used to subscribe to the dead tree format, too. My ascii is grascii! Yeah, me too. They have already been there. you just aren't that interesting. Care to share the source of your information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Getting back to the original story.... it kind of makes sense in a way. Those who would have a reason to evade surveillance would be using things like tails or tor. While the story is disturbing, it says that this is not a deterministic factor in surveillance. This likely means that use of tails/tor/linux is a signal that is combined with a variety of others to make a final determination to collect the target's information. Adam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Yeah, good point Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Getting back to the original story.... it kind of makes sense in a way. Those who would have a reason to evade surveillance would be using things like tails or tor. While the story is disturbing, it says that this is not a deterministic factor in surveillance. This likely means that use of tails/tor/linux is a signal that is combined with a variety of others to make a final determination to collect the target's information. Adam From the article:According to an article on DasErste.de, the NSA considers Linux Journal an "extremist forum". This means that merely looking for any Linux content on Linux Journal, not just content about anonymizing software or encryption, is considered suspicious and means your Internet traffic may be stored indefinitely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Funny old business .The spook trade. Shadows watching shadows.Paranoia being paranoid. The staff numbers must be humungous . Pity it's needed. Shame the way things turned since the 60's .It seemed a lot tamer then . Just have to hope and pray for better times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Getting back to the original story.... it kind of makes sense in a way. Those who would have a reason to evade surveillance would be using things like tails or tor. While the story is disturbing, it says that this is not a deterministic factor in surveillance. This likely means that use of tails/tor/linux is a signal that is combined with a variety of others to make a final determination to collect the target's information. Adam I use 2 out of 3. I guess I'll be in Guantanamo pretty soon, huh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 There are military helicopters that fly between OLF fields and the bases around here and they go right over us sometimes really close and frequently. Really annoying. This whole attempt at blackballing (in effect) is ludicrous... Linux Journal is a wonderful publication that I have been reading for years as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I have also seen them pull some sort of maneuvers over farm areas nearby. It's unsettling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
réjean Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The black helos are now using a cloaking device that was borrowed from the craft at Area 51. They had to work out some kinks, but it's been in use for about two years now. So, this is what the black helos look like now... ___________________________________________ __________________________________________ Impressive, huh? eric you weren't supposed to talk about it. Now they will...hey what is that a bumblebee or a drone? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Oh noes. My sekrit lolcatz browzing iz busted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 They're coming to take you away... hee-hee, ha-ha, ho-ho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) [Edited to fix broken link. AG] Hello, Here's the list of IP addresses and FQDNs from daserste.ndr.de/panorama/xkeyscorerules100.txt: 86.59.21.38 (currently resolves to tor.noreply.org) 128.31.0.34 (currently resolves to moria.csail.mit.edu) 128.31.0.39 (currently resolves to belegost.csail.mit.edu) 193.23.244.244 (currently resolves to dannenberg.ccc.de) 194.109.206.212 (currently resolves to tor.dizum.com) 208.83.223.34 (currently resolves to rgnx.net) 212.112.245.170 (currently resolves to tor-dirauth.sebastianhahn.net) 213.115.239.118 (currently resolves to ehlo.4711.se) 216.224.124.114 (currently resolves to ides.fscked.org) bridges.torproject.org linuxjournal.com tails.boum.org www.torproject.org No actual attempt to target boingboing.net, despite Cory Doctorow's comments. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Edited July 5, 2014 by goretsky Fixed URL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Aryeh: remove the : from the end of your url as it stands, it doesn't work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Thanks Aryeh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Putting people into a monitored category is bad enough. Putting them into an extremist category is on another level. In World War II Americans of Japanese decent living on the west coast were removed from their homes and moved into camps. The gov't thought some were potentially dangerous, so all were detained and interned. In time of war just being in a pre-existing category is all it takes for you to lose everything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Yes...tragic. Hate to think we are beginning down that path again. You would have thought we would have learned from past mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Learn from past mistakes? HAHAHAHA! You give homo stupidous much too much credit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 It is not easy but it can happen...just often doesn't...sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 This movie is interesting also - Genetic Roulette: The Gamble of our Lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Haven't seen that one, but sounds really good. 7.1/10 Stars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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