James M. Fisher Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Over the years I have used just about every major disk defragger and while each vendor claims amazing results with every new release, I can honestly say I am not seeing it. Perhaps it depends on how heavily one uses their PC, add files, downloads, etc. What has been your experience? Has any defragger had an impact on your PC's performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I used this for some years when I ran old style disks. Diskeeper 10 Home review It certainly seemed to keep my pc sweet, both XP and 7. Best thing about it is once set up it runs in the background. I never found it interfering with the running of the pc as it runs when your pc is at idle or surfing the web for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Fisher Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) I have used Diskeeper as well, I think it is at v12 now. I just wonder if it is any better that the one that ships with Windows. Edited June 7, 2014 by James M. Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I used Norton's SpeedDisk back in the early days. Since Symantec bought out Norton, I have pretty much just used Windows built in defragger. Never had any issues with it. As for results, if the disk is heavily fragmented I do see noticable results from defragging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Fisher Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 I had forgotten about Norton... they had quite the Swiss army of all PC tools in their Norton Utilities and SystemWorks packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 With Windows XP, I like Defraggler from Piriform (same folks that brought us CCleaner), but with Windows 7 and Windows 8 I don't see the needed since the Windows Defrag which is built by Microsoft runs on a schedule already and on SSD drives it's totally not needed. What Is "Defragging," and Do I Need to Do It to My Computer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I have used Diskeeper as well, I think it is at v12 now. I just wonder if it is any better that the one that ships with Windows. As Fran says the MS one runs on a schedule which is ok if you have regular pc habits.Do not know if it interferes with pc usage whilst running, ie does it slow the pc down?.Diskeeper runs continuously in the background with no interference. Choice is, Free with caveats Paid for perfection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I've never found MS Windows' integral defrag app to be worth a spit. Someone (maybe Sunrat/Roger) recommended Auslogics Defragger to me a few years ago. I've used it every since. Works well and quickly (depending on hdd and other hardware capabilities). I haven't had any complaints. Auslogics --> http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The built in defrag in Windows 7 and Windows 8 does not degrade the system usage from what I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amenditman Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) ..and on SSD drives it's totally not needed. More than not needed, you must not use it at all on an SSD. I had forgotten Defraggeler, I've used it before, Windows XP and Vista. Works faster than the default and moved more files. Edited June 7, 2014 by amenditman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 No need to defrag ext2, ext3, or ext4 file systems either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Yep...so true Eric. Linux it's not needed at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hello, The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter (filename: DEFRAG.EXE) and associated scheduled background task in Windows Vista and up seem to be adequate for defragmenting hard disk drives in the background. All disk defragmentation programs these days use Microsoft's standard APIs for this functionality, so the real difference between them is how they "optimize" (that is, organize or place) the files on the disk. I have been using Raxco's PerfectDisk software for a number of years—just the on-demand portion, none of the real-time technologies it provides—as well, typically running it every three months or so, regardless of whether the disk volume needed it or not. The largest change I have noticed after defragmenting a disk volume is not in how fast programs run or data is accessed from it, but how much more quickly a backup operation runs against that volume, especially file-based copies to another disk that has been defragmented as well. I would imagine that Condusiv Technologies (formerly Diskeeper Technologies and even more formerly Executive Software's) Diskeeper and Golden Bow's Vopt provide the same functionality as well. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Fisher Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 ..... but how much more quickly a backup operation runs against that volume, especially file-based copies to another disk that has been defragmented as well. That's a good point....I hadn't thought of that particular advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Does defrag really move files around or just re-index. them . I was never completely convinced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Defragmentation physically moved the data around the platters. With SSDs, this is no longer a concern. Adam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Defragmentation physically moved the data around the platters. With SSDs, this is no longer a concern. Adam Because there are no platters. Only chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Hello, And on a chip, every address is accessed at the same speed. I suppose that if one were loading a huge (multiple gigabyte-sized) file from an SSD, it would make sense to make it contiguous, simply so read operations could read the largest amount of data at once, but that's a pretty rare use case, I think. Plus, with various wear-levelling technologies, it might be hard to confirm what's being written to an SSD is really stored in a contiguious fashion. It might be spread out across the banks of DRAM chips.... Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Because there are no platters. Only chips. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Because there are no platters. Only chips. Hmmm ! Maybe in the USA but here in good ol' blighty you can get a platter of fish and chips. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Ummm... fish and chips! On a platter, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Them chips look great, cooked to perfection. Edited June 10, 2014 by abarbarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yummm!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 That looks like a nice piece of Haddock. :fish: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I'm fasting today. That pic is pure torture right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Have you noticed how clean his local chipper is .. Not like our greasy spoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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