abarbarian Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Seems like not everyone thinks that the Windows WART or the Surface is a good thing A new report claims that PC vendors - including Hewlett Packard (HP) - are up in arms over Microsoft's recent decision to enter the lucrative tablet market with its Surface device. "Most were debating whether or not to bother with WART (Windows on Arm RT) devices, and struggling to find a reason to do so," says Charlie Demerjian of SemiAccurate. http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/64400-report-vendors-ditch-windows-arm-devices-over-surface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Seems like not everyone thinks that the Windows WART or the Surface is a good thing I imagine that they are bit biased(and irate) considering Microsoft decided to manufacturer their own devices instead of relying on HW partners like they always have. I imagine most OEMs see this as a threat to their business and hope that Microsoft does not continue down this path as it will hurt their business. Just my opinion so take it for what its worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Yes, sure they will see it that way (threat), but if it works out for Microsoft where it hasn't for OEMs maybe they should be listening to how to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 It is not like the OEM did not have the past 5 years to look at what they were doing? I'm not the only one who came away from looking at Win7 touchpads from a few vendors and thinking "for that price , is that all there is?" The only "innovative" hardware I've seen from pc vendors that impressed was from Levano, which has laptops that turn into note takers quite easily and whose note taking works (requires stylus, so is not a touchpad), but for me it wasn't worth buying Chinese - I could do without it. Acer and Asus had similiar devices but not as well built or as well working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 ... but for me it wasn't worth buying Chinese - I could do without it.Acer and Asus had similiar devices but not as well built or as well working It's pretty hard to find computers that are not built in China these days. I'm rather interested in the new Asus Transformer Infinity. The latest Android seems to have come of age at last for tablets, and the hardware is quite impressive, including Tegra quad core CPU and 1920 x 1200 display. http://www.asus.com/Tablet/Transformer_Pad/ASUS_Transformer_Pad_Infinity_TF700T/ http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus-transformer-pad-infinity/4505-3126_7-35332613.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 It's pretty hard to find computers that are not built in China these days. Levano itself being a Chinese ups the distaste quotient for me. I'm rather interested in the new Asus Transformer Infinity. The latest Android seems to have come of age at last for tablets, and the hardware is quite impressive, including Tegra quad core CPU and 1920 x 1200 display. http://www.asus.com/...nfinity_TF700T/ http://reviews.cnet....7-35332613.html This had my interest , http://shop.skytex.com/skypad-protos-9-7-android-4-0-tablet-ips-display-5mp-camera-bluetooth-free-5gb-cloud-storage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 It's pretty hard to find computers that are not built in China these days. This begs an interesting question. What computers are *not* manufactured in China these days? Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Are we talking components or completed devices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I was thinking the completed computer. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Dell and HP are made in China??? The grey boxes from my vendor are not made in china , at least they don't say 'Made in China' on the boxes. and there are still a few computer stores in the greater Seattle area that build their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Dell and HP are made in China??? The grey boxes from my vendor are not made in china , at least they don't say 'Made in China' on the boxes. and there are still a few computer stores in the greater Seattle area that build their own. Dell: Dell closing its last large U.S. plant Assembly of desktop computers for the North American market formerly took place at Dell plants in Austin, Texas (original location) and Lebanon, Tennessee (opened in 1999), which have been closed in 2008 and early 2009, respectively. The plant in Winston-Salem, North Carolina received $280 million USD in incentives from the state and opened in 2005, but ceased operations in November 2010, and Dell's contract with the state requires them to repay the incentives for failing to meet the conditions.[59][60] It is expected that most of the work that used to take place in Dell's U.S. plants will be transferred to contract manufacturers in Asia and Mexico, or some of Dell's own factories overseas.[61] The Miami, Florida facility of its Alienware subsidiary remains in operation. Dell servers continue to be produced in Austin, Texas. http://en.wikipedia....l#Manufacturing HP: I am pretty sure that they do not manufacture their machine in the US anymore either: HP to manage PC manufacturing plant in China Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crp Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I am unable to find a page on the web that knowingly says where the 'surface' will be manufactured. Doing another reading and finding a couple of sites I didn't see 2 weeks ago, I'm less inclined to think I will be buying one. seems it will not as light as i would want, a smidge too large and way more expensive. I would also worry about the keyboard-case combo, in the sense of how hard is the keyboard part to break/malfunction. I wonder why they didn't cut down weight , add custom-ability and perhaps lower costs by using an infrared to show a keyboard on a plain slate instead of a physical keyboard. I suppose a touch pad would still be needed, but an infrared that could be easily changed and even pointed to another surface to enlarge/reduce the keyboard layout - seems that would be better. Maybe the patent payments would have been too much? Though I would think the patent holders would love the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 How 'bout IBM's Big Blue and the Cray systems? They're still made in the U.S. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Well luckily IBM has most of their plants in the US and India although they do have plants all over the world: India is IBM's second-largest base of operations in the world. The company's U.S. workforce is comprised of 125,000 of IBM's 330,000 total employees. In the past three years, the company has invested more than $2 billion in India and hired more than 35,000 staff, bringing the country's total IBM workforce to 43,000. http://www.edn.com/electronics-news/4318945/IBM-Triples-India-Investment http://www.linkedin.com/title/manufacturing/at-ibm/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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