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V.T. Eric Layton

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Well, that's not quite true. Those with copper service are still working. However, once you go to FIOS, you cannot go back to copper. Eventually, according to sources of mine within the Tampa Verizon shop, FIOS will be the ONLY option. They will convert everyone in the Tampa area eventually. The days of copper are waning here.

 

Fiber is much cheaper to install and maintain than copper-based systems. It's not about progress. It's about money. Ain't that always the case? :(

 

Next on the horizon will be the "poop meter", a device to measure the sewer output from your home in order for local utilities to get a more accurate accounting of your poop, rather than just basing it on water usage. Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard. ;)

Yes, those with no history on fiber are still on copper, but the end is in sight for that infrastructure. In this case it's about more than just money. If they can get us all on the proprietary fiber system and off the old public copper system, they can be in control with less regulatory oversight. The old copper system comes with quite a burden to them in gov. regulations.

 

I've seen the "poop in a hole" sytem in practice, I'll voluntarily pay the sewer charge until it is really outrageous.

 

 

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Well, that's not quite true. Those with copper service are still working. However, once you go to FIOS, you cannot go back to copper. Eventually, according to sources of mine within the Tampa Verizon shop, FIOS will be the ONLY option. They will convert everyone in the Tampa area eventually. The days of copper are waning here.

 

Fiber is much cheaper to install and maintain than copper-based systems. It's not about progress. It's about money. Ain't that always the case? :(

 

Next on the horizon will be the "poop meter", a device to measure the sewer output from your home in order for local utilities to get a more accurate accounting of your poop, rather than just basing it on water usage. Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard. ;)

 

How is fiber cheaper to install and maintain?

 

It is hugely expensive!

 

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V.T. Eric Layton

Do you have any idea what it costs to maintain copper wire systems in the wet environment of Florida. Not to mention the huge electro-mechanical CO facilities required. FIOS can be maintained with a computer running Linux from a small office in downtown. ;)

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Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard. ;)

 

tried that. that's when the police arrived. seems i was in the neighbors yard.

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It's rather interesting with copper and fiber optic cabling. It makes a difference as to what type of installation one is doing. It's different for long runs for a neighborhood versus all the curves and turns in an install for a company network for instance. It's still not worth doing for home use.

 

However, with the cost of copper going up, and the cost of fiber coming down; particularly in huge lots like would be used by ISPs per se, it's looking more realistic apparently.

 

Cost of Fiber Optics Vs Cost of Copper - eHow.com:

Function

 

Both copper and fiber optic wire allow data and sound to move along their lengths. Copper wire has a noticeably smaller bandwidth since it was mainly used alongside older land-line telephones needing only voice signal movement. As a result, all the Internet information people crave currently need fiber optics to move the signals faster and more efficiently.

Considerations

 

In general, fiber optics cost from 1 to 5 percent more than standard copper wire. This cost factor is negated when compared to the amount of data one line of fiber optics can hold as opposed to copper wire.

Interesting Fact

 

Copper wire by nature is heavier than fiber optic. As a result, the lightweight aspect of fiber optic is helping keep underground electrical wiring channels from becoming too heavy or cumbersome.

 

Don't know when that was written. They really need to note the last time a page that can fluctuate like that is updated. There are lots of pages from years ago where fiber optics is out of sight price wise...

 

But as HowStuffWorks "How does a long distance call work article states:

Physical wires no longer connect the offices together for each phone call. That system was incredibly expensive. Instead, a fiber-optic line carries a digitized version of your voice (see How Analog and Digital Recording Works for a description). Your voice (along with thousands of others) becomes a stream of bytes flowing on a fiber-optic line between offices. The difference in cost between "a pair of copper wires carrying a single conversation" and "a single fiber carrying thousands and thousands of conversations" is phenomenal.

 

Lots of considerations...more bandwidth is needed for Internet transmissions than phone calls though...

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I saw a landline phone a couple of weeks ago. A rare sighting of an endangered species. :P

 

The future of copper? Um... eh:

 

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Raw data stolen from International Telecommunication Union (ITU)

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Those are interesting.

 

We did away with our copper POTS telephone several years ago now. We couldn't afford the high cost of cellular, cellular 3g Internet and the wired phone line.

 

It just made economic sense. It's still way too expensive even without the wired phone line. :(

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I still have mine...

 

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Umm... well... actually, I don't. I still have a hardwired landline phone like the one above, but I'm not on copper wire anymore these days. I'm in fiber optic cable (still have copper wire inside, though :yes: )

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