ross549 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 My live bookmarks icon in Firefox just sprang to life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 A common problem in forums, I'm told. ahhh yea, but it makes a difference when you buy a product and are suppose to get tech support with it. I could see if they were still free, but now that they charge for everything, changes everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 An RSS reader like Sage would probably just require you to drag the link and drop it into the Sage window, but I haven't used it in a while, so I'm not 100% sure on that.Yep...that's exactly how it works with Sage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjf123 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 3. even though I checked cookies to see that session ID was saved, when I return (closed browser to clear cache and cookies) everything on the main page appears as if there are new posts in each section; after I open that section, there may not be any new postsI've got the same problem. Every section appears as having new posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 try logging out and than back in after you clear your cache? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjf123 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 try logging out and than back in after you clear your cache?Didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I've tested the problem with the "unread" icons on threads and I don't have that behavior. It doesn't appear to be a universal problem. Are you allowing cookies with the forum? I assume you are from what you wrote, but what you describe actually sounds like you are not. Is it possible a security program of some sort is not allowing cookies with the forum?Deleting your cookies would force the board to display all threads as unread. The only way the board would know you've read something is because a cookie on your system contains that information.Please proivde any added details I may be missing or misunderstanding to help us figure this out.-- Scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 About the Options drop down, it seems pretty clear to me that we're probably going to have to rebuild our main skin under 2.1. This is IPB's great weakness. There are too many interrelated visual components in this board software. What it needs is a complete skin module that can manage these changes. And IPB needs to stop messing with the images and CSS every single time it makes a change to the system.I had not planned on facing this level of skinning problem in a .1 release, and I'm frankly disgusted with both the communication and support provided by IPB.There are many customizations to this board that I didn't do myself, as many of you know. However, I don't think this is rocket science. I can figure it out; I just don't have a lot of spare cycles to devote to it at the moment.Also, for the foreseeable future, we are going to have only one skin for Scot's Newsletter. For all the many regulars who miss Sage or any of the many other very nice skins Arena built for us, my apologies. I miss them too. To be honest, though, the many skins we had made upgrading the forums an utter nightmare every time. We were delaying on software upgrades because of the hours and hours of work updating multiple skins meant.Someday the IPB software will become more mature, and will probably not break skins with every "point" release. When that day arrives, I will either build or commission the building of a nice set of skins, and perhaps even involve everyone in what kinds of skins we might like to create.Thanks for your patience.The good news is that we haven't had a large number of problems with the upgrade.-- Scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Fisher Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Also, for the foreseeable future, we are going to have only one skin for Scot's Newsletter. For all the many regulars who miss Sage or any of the many other very nice skins Arena built for us, my apologies. I miss them too. To be honest, though, the many skins we had made upgrading the forums an utter nightmare every time. We were delaying on software upgrades because of the hours and hours of work updating multiple skins meant.-- ScotI do miss sage, but blue is fine. Thanks for letting us know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I guess I'm having a hard time seeing what's with the skin. 2.0 version came out and we've only had the default skin, what changes were done besides the google adsense??If it's just the google adsense that is really easy to add thru the ACP - Skin Manager. Usually skins are a pain in the butt when you got a ton of mods installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Havnblast, we do have a lot more than just a couple mods. I agree they aren't major, though. The issue for me is that I don't know what changes we have, since Arena made changes to the CSS and other things very quietly on his own -- without documenting what he did. The main logo bar is one thing he changed. And I like it for the most part, especially the gradient. There are customized menus. There's a long list of very small changes.I'm heading down this path of updating the default 2.1 skin to make it look like the 2.0 and prior skin. If anyone recalls specific mods they requested that got done, it would be helpful to post them here.-- Scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_P Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Scot, unless you want to repeat this upgrade experience I strongly suggest you document all changes. Purpose of change, what modules, by whom, when, what parms, their original values and their new values. Plus a backup of the original module/file where possible. Ensure procedures are in place to prevent undocumented changes going forward. Keep two copies of the Changes Log book, one for your personal use and one for the auditors. oops, sorry, carry over from work experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Good news. All known problems are fixed. We're running with a fully 2.1 skin now. It only took me about 3 hours to convert because of I was able to edit the CSS in a creative way to solve problems (one of the reasons I love CSS). I *think* we're good to go. And I've set the default to the new skin.If, however, there are problems, the old skin is available to us all from the skin selector at the bottom of the every page.Also, there's a brand new set of RSS feeds, which we should consider to be "beta." I have built and tested them, but they might need some tweaking -- and I'm open to suggestion. Also, I have no idea whether there might be some load issues. I can tell you that building these feeds threw off some database errors.To access the new RSS feeds, click the RSS button right next to the skin selector, bottom right of every page.Please post any issues, problems, sugestions here.Thanks,-- Scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 hmmmm as far as I know Scott, since 2.0 ran here, we had nothing done to the skin as it has always looked like the default skin. The changes Arena did, I see them as being done thru the ACP.Once we went 2.0 we lost skins and any sort of customization, as Arena posted that there would be no changes to the source code. CSS wise it has been the default as far as I can tell. That's why I ask, what was ever done to the 2.0 besides the google ad sense? Is Arena even still around?I know my memory is bad, but I didn't think it was that bad.It's good to see the options working! Thanks for fixing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Fisher Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Also, there's a brand new set of RSS feeds, which we should consider to be "beta." I have built and tested them, but they might need some tweaking -- and I'm open to suggestion. Also, I have no idea whether there might be some load issues. I can tell you that building these feeds threw off some database errors.To access the new RSS feeds, click the RSS button right next to the skin selector, bottom right of every page.Please post any issues, problems, sugestions here.Thanks,-- ScotThe RSS feeds work fine in Opera 8, Scot. Nicely done with titles and everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I stil do not see an Options button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I still do not see an Options button. Never mind it is at the top. Not enough coffee yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 (edited) I looked over my Scot's Forum cookies and 1 "topics read" wasn't protected so I protected that. I closed down FF re-opened, came back here and it still shows all sections as having new posts. Well forget the rest of my babbling. Because the options dropdown box now works, I'll be able to mark entire sections as read. That should fix the problem where everything appears as having new posts.Thanks for fixing it! Edited September 17, 2005 by zlim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 No problem, Liz. I'm still interested in the problem you're having with threads not being marked as read. So let me know if you come across any other symptoms or clues. Since I haven't been able to reproduce it, and have in fact seen the opposite, it's tough a tough one to diagnose.Thanks for the kind words, James.Havnblast, there were some custom things done to the skin, mostly having to do with the logo area, and also a few other spots throughout. Many of these things would be barely noticeable. As I said, it was 3 hours worth of work while I watched baseball on TV. Nothing really all that taxing. The only hard part was figuring out how the previous minor customizations differed from the changes in 2.1 and then essentially remaking them to suit 2.1. But it was all basic HTML work, which I'm very comfortable with. Since I didn't have to commission new artwork or go in and mess with images myself, it ended up being easier than expected.90% of what made our previous custom skins, like Sage, Lilac, etc., wasn't code, it was bitmaps. And that's what Arena toiled away at, images, for the most part. Literally scores of them when you consider all the skins we once had. The trouble between major versions of IPB has been that sometimes those image dimensions have changed. When they change, you have to go through and edit each image. Some image size changes did occur with 2.1, but they were minor. The CSS is highly flexible, so it was easy to use that to adjust image calls to make 2.1 look like 2.0. In once case, I just eliminated an image call and filled the space with HTML color. Since our skin customization is very minor, so was the conversion. But there is some customization.I'll probably introduce some more customization in the future. Now that I'm managing this myself, work will progress slowly, and less ambitiously, but there are some things we can do over time.-- Scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Whoa! :w00t:I just noticed that we can now edit our posts in the post itself, without having to load a new page! Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Fisher Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Fantastic! Good catch, Adam.Also, Options are now functional in Opera 8! yay!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I looked over my Scot's Forum cookies and 1 "topics read" wasn't protected so I protected that. I closed down FF re-opened, came back here and it still shows all sections as having new posts. Well forget the rest of my babbling. Because the options dropdown box now works, I'll be able to mark entire sections as read. That should fix the problem where everything appears as having new posts.Thanks for fixing it! I had that same issue on the first visit, but clearing the cache after I hit the link on the main page mark all forums read and than logging out of the site. I closed out FF came back to the site and logged in and everything has been fine since than. Odd how that works for some, but not others.Scott I have seen a lot of people frustrated with IPB on other forums, they are tired of seeing their board break with every update. There isn't too many boards out there that don't have their own customization to it in some form or another. Some are even vowing to stay with 2.0.4 and say the heck with 2.1. Guess that would be ok if IPB planned on supporting it when exploits are found and need fixing. I can not see them doing that as I find the staff there very unfriendly. That is the major reason I will not purchase from them, I have seen how they treat people.Personally I like the default skin, doesn't bother me to just have this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil P Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I get problems with posts being marked read (I don't know if it's still happening, or if it's been fixed by the upgrade...). I usually keep up with B&E Central, so when there are new posts, it's usually just one or two (by comparison, ATL usually has pages of new posts each time I check ). When I click on the "goto last unread" button and read the thread, I'll go back to the B&E central index. After doing that for all new posts, I'll go back to the main index, and the blue IPB logo (is that a book?) will still be active, as if there were new posts. So, I'll either have to go back to into B&E central, or click on that logo to really mark the threads as read. Once I go back in and come back to the index, they're shown as read. It's always confused me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havnblast Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 and you cleared all the cookies/cache and logged out and logged back in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 The board is working properly, on my end, as far as read posts and new posts. It was the combo of guarding 1 cookie and using the options to mark as read when I was done in a section reading what I wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Good news. All known problems are fixed. We're running with a fully 2.1 skin now. It only took me about 3 hours to convert because of I was able to edit the CSS in a creative way to solve problems (one of the reasons I love CSS). I *think* we're good to go. And I've set the default to the new skin.If, however, there are problems, the old skin is available to us all from the skin selector at the bottom of the every page.Also, there's a brand new set of RSS feeds, which we should consider to be "beta." I have built and tested them, but they might need some tweaking -- and I'm open to suggestion. Also, I have no idea whether there might be some load issues. I can tell you that building these feeds threw off some database errors.To access the new RSS feeds, click the RSS button right next to the skin selector, bottom right of every page.Please post any issues, problems, sugestions here.Thanks,-- ScotActually, Thank You! For doing such a great job on the upgrade and for giving us all a place to hang our hats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Hurray . . . everything works flawlessly . . . . . Thanks Scot ! Bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usasma Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 There's been an upgrade? Never even noticed it! Now that's how things are supposed to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 There's been an upgrade? Never even noticed it! Now that's how things are supposed to work! Transparent to the user. Yes this was the way to do it. Kudo's to everyone invilved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil P Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 and you cleared all the cookies/cache and logged out and logged back in?Yep. I haven't particularly noticed it since the upgrade, but I'll still keep an eye out for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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