Windows 10 Recall
Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:02 PM
what about no longer being able to do a clean Windows 10 install.
good one, microsoft!
Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:44 PM
Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:00 PM
Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:12 PM
i think i know why. I'm on the fasttrack and had no major issues with the last beta except for an annoying command window about disk snapshot.
Yet when the production update came along - my video driver no longer functioned as fully, including degradation in resolution quality.
something went slightly amiss. wouldn't be surprised to see the ISO back in play by end of month.
Posted 25 November 2015 - 12:04 AM
The only way to get work done is to disconnect from ethernet and dedicate computers to hardware (like scanners) or critical software, and never, ever update the OS.
Yesterday Microsoft wasted 2-3 hours of my time I spent getting things running again after Windows 7 did yet another huge update. Part of that time was spent looking for Mac software so I could swap computers, but sadly it was not available. I won't be buying any Windows only office hardware again.
Posted 25 November 2015 - 02:09 AM
Posted 25 November 2015 - 10:25 PM
Posted 26 November 2015 - 03:49 AM
Posted 26 November 2015 - 11:56 AM
MSFT is well aware of patches problems and how some people have problems with various updates. So when something depends on something already being there it will actually go check instead of trusting the Update reporting logs on the system.
and linux users (which include me)- don't get smug. this is the direction the distros are taking and one of the major reasons for the fight over init/systemd .
Posted 26 November 2015 - 12:35 PM
Windows 7 update continues to work. I run GWX Control Panel so I do not get Win 10 downloaded behind my back and then see the dreaded "your computer is ready to be updated to 10". I have no intention of updating to 10 and when the update because an important or recommended update in January 2016, I will look over the updates closely and hide that one. I suspect MS will unhide it and offer each month until the free period ends.
Eric the update servers can be very slow at times. When I updated my husband's netbook, I waited 45 minutes before anything happened. I saw 0% of 0 kb for 5 updates I had selected for 45 minutes. I use another computer and just look at the one updating from time to time. Another reason I am glad I have more than 1 computer and I don't dual boot. I have a computer to use while the other one works on getting an update.
Posted 26 November 2015 - 03:32 PM
Posted 26 November 2015 - 06:06 PM
I have my computers set for Check for Updates but let me choose whether to download and install them.
Posted 27 November 2015 - 11:39 PM
it's huge! it's obnoxious! it's microsoft!
Edited by Temmu, 27 November 2015 - 11:39 PM.
Posted 27 November 2015 - 11:47 PM
it's huge! it's obnoxious! it's microsoft!
You can hide the update that starts the upgrade process and you won't ever get upgraded. Google for it. I don't remember the KB# off the top of my head.
Oh... here you go --> http://www.howtogeek...-automatically/
Posted 28 November 2015 - 02:35 AM
Information on managing the Get Windows 10 app can be found in the following Microsoft knowledgebase article: https://support.micr...n-us/kb/3080351
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Posted 28 November 2015 - 10:01 AM
Of course I installed Classic Shell on both machines to get a real Start Menu.
Posted 28 November 2015 - 10:49 AM
Also privacy settings have been reset - check them.
Posted 28 November 2015 - 12:27 PM
Posted 28 November 2015 - 07:58 PM
note the post by DavidGP
Posted 29 November 2015 - 11:34 AM
Never attribute to malice that which can safely be accounted for by stupidity.
I don't see what advantage Microsoft would have in hacking CCleaner or Spybot. If they wanted to remove anything it would be Google search and AdBlock Plus.
For what it's worth my AMD Catalyst Control Center appeared to be deleted at one point, but I put it back when I updated my Crimson Edition driver. Maybe an update did that deletion. But I've had as many problems with Bitdefender messing with my system as I ever had with Microsoft.
Windows 10 in my view is a far superior choice to 8.1 and runs my train sim games better than Windows 7 did.
Posted 29 November 2015 - 07:33 PM
Microsoft has also released updates for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users and turns out that the update has enhanced data collection even on these older operating system versions. So operating systems such as Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 are now able to collect data without the user's knowledge.
The updates released by Microsoft are kb3068708, kb3022345, kb3075249 and kb3080149, which basically "introduce the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service" for the older Windows versions. Moreover per Microsoft, these updates also "add telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels."
So this basically means that once a user installs any of the above-mentioned updates, Microsoft will have the ability to collect data from your Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 PC just as it is able to on Windows 10.
For those worrying about the issue - there is a way of stopping Microsoft from collecting data. Here's how:
How to Stop Data Collection
The update KB3068708 mentions two domains which Microsoft is deploying to send the data it has collected to. These domains are:
So to stop this process, simply add these domains to the HOSTS file and they will be blocked completely.
Alternately, the best method to avoid data tracking if the four updates have already been installed on your PC would be to delete them completely. To do this, navigate to Control Panel > View the updates installed and remove the four.
Furthermore, you can eliminate the updates easier by launching a command prompt window with admin privileges and typing in each of the following commands to remove all the four updates:
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart
Once you have done this ensure that you "hide" the updates so that they do not reinstall once the PC has been rebooted. To hide you need to do the following:
Step 1: In the list of updates right-click the update you do not want to see.
Step 2: Opt for Hide Update.
Back in April, Microsoft released a non-security update for both Windows 7 and 8. This update, 3022345, created a new Windows service called the Diagnostics Tracking service. Microsoft describes this service as doing two things. First, it increases the amount of diagnostic data that the Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP) can collect in order to better diagnose problems. Second, it collects data for third-party applications that use the Application Insights service. Application Insights is a preview that allows app developers to track performance issues, crashes, and other problems of their applications. The Diagnostics Tracking service collects this data and sends it to Microsoft.
The update that added this service has itself been superseded at least twice with updates 3068708 and, most recently, 3080149. While this latter update was pushed out as an optional update-and hence only installs if chosen from the list of available updates-the earlier 3067808 update was deployed as a recommended update, installing automatically with the normal Windows Update settings.
Separate from this, another update, 3075249, enhanced the User Account Control (UAC) feature to enable it to collect more information from the elevation prompts.
For these Windows 7/8/8.1 users there are a few updates which Microsoft has been pushing through last few days.
Namely, KB3075249 and KB3080149, if installed are known to report your data back to Microsoft servers.
KB3075249 update adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7. The Microsoft support page gives following description for them :
KB3075249 "Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 "
KB3080149 "This update aligns down-level devices on the same UTC binary that's released in Windows 10. This update would enable all the down-level devices to receive the software updates, design updates, and additional power and performance tuning."
In simple words, both these updates, if downloaded and installed will snoop on you and report back certain data to the Microsoft servers.
Enjoy it in good health.
Posted 30 November 2015 - 05:27 PM
Posted 03 December 2015 - 08:18 AM
Thanks Zlim for the evaporating software article. (I've not upgraded to 10, not planning to, but information is always good to have.)
Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:12 PM
Right now my four Win 7 computers have the update in optional but MS does start an update in optional and then in a few weeks move it into Important/Recommended.
If you do not intend to change from your current version of Windows, you might want to hide those updates.
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