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#1 OFFLINE   ichase

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:00 AM

I wanted to post this short article by one of our members here at Scot's Newsletter Forum's and a great friend of the GNU/Linux community Guillermo Garron.
He notes a mistake that I often make (which could be considered lazy at least on my part) of refering to a Linux OS vice a GNU/Linux OS considering all of the parts that make up an opperating system are more then just the kernel.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:05 AM

While I know that it's GNU/Linux and that I should write and say "GNU/Linux," I still continue to write and say "Linux," and it doesn't bother me at all if other folks do the same. However, ichase, the stuff in your sig needs to be changed to "Arch GNU/Linux" and "GNU/Linux Counter." :shifty:

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:44 AM

Well I don't think the article was stating that everyone needs to get to the point of splitting hairs.  ;)
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 10:28 AM

Hi,

Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for linking to my post.

This should never be a flame-war, I just think is fair. But, as saturnian says, we should not get mad at others for not doing it. :).

thanks again ichase.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:00 AM

View Postsaturnian, on 15 April 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

While I know that it's GNU/Linux and that I should write and say "GNU/Linux," I still continue to write and say "Linux," and it doesn't bother me at all if other folks do the same.

My thoughts exactly!!! Now if I were talking to RMS (Stallman), I would be sure to say GNU Linux.... B)
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:32 AM

I was not implying my beliefs that when using the term "Linux" that it should and must be used as "GNU/Linux"  I just really liked Guillermo's (for lack of a better word) "reminder" of the credit that should be awarded to the many developers and contributers to the many moving pieces that make up a GNU/Linux Operating System.  ;)

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:54 AM

I commented on your article, Guillermo. :)

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:22 PM

Makes me think of how people say "America" when they're referring to "The United States." Or, worse, "Ubuntu" instead of "Linux" (oops, I mean "GNU/Linux").

Out here in Albuquerque, there's a weird thing, someone will ask you if you want "a Coke" and then they'll say, "What kind? Sprite? Dr. Pepper? Or Pepsi?" No kidding, really happens.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:27 PM

I know it's GNU Linux but I still call it Linux, just like I call Windows no matter what version Windows, and Macs, Mac regardless of the version.

Just makes speaking easier.
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:35 PM

View Postsaturnian, on 15 April 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Makes me think of how people say "America" when they're referring to "The United States." Or, worse, "Ubuntu" instead of "Linux" (oops, I mean "GNU/Linux").

I really hate when people say America instead of United States. I remember once in Sao Paulo Airport, I met a guy from Texas, I asked him where is he from, and he said America, then he asked me the same thing, I asked him "America too", he immediately replied "which state?". I said "Bolivia", and added. "America is from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego". It was nice to see his face.
He added he was from Texas then. :) .

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:02 PM

That's a pet peeve of mine, too. So, I can kinda understand the whole GNU/Linux thing.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

View PostGo2linux, on 15 April 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

I really hate when people say America instead of United States. I remember once in Sao Paulo Airport, I met a guy from Texas, I asked him where is he from, and he said America, then he asked me the same thing, I asked him "America too", he immediately replied "which state?". I said "Bolivia", and added. "America is from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego". It was nice to see his face.
He added he was from Texas then. :) .

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:41 PM

I think it is more important to acknowledge that it's GNU/Linux than to actually say it. It's also more important to introduce neophytes to the concept of open source operating systems and how capable they are than to confuse them with details.

I'm proud to say that I'm not from America or the US of A, but from the country whose golfers just BLITZED the US Open. :P ;)
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:31 PM

View Postsunrat, on 15 April 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

I'm proud to say that I'm not from America or the US of A, but from the country whose golfers just BLITZED the US Open. :P ;)

The Masters, maybe?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 10:01 PM

View Postsunrat, on 15 April 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:



I'm proud to say that I'm not from America or the US of A, but from the country whose golfers just BLITZED the US Open. :P ;)

You're from Scotland? Oh, wait... nevermind. ;)

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:56 PM

View Postsaturnian, on 15 April 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

The Masters, maybe?
Haha, whatever. :> :)  I know nothing about golf, just that they are Aussies.
Three Aussies in the Masters top 4 is some achievement.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:42 AM

So will this forum get a name change then ? If we get a name change to " Bruno's All Things GNU/Linux" do you think Richard Stallman will call in and post ?

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:14 PM

I'd love to have Stallman come by and visit. I'd change the name if that would be what it takes to make that happen. :yes:

We'd have to start using BATG/L for nickname, though. ;)

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:30 PM

View PostV.T. Eric Layton, on 17 April 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

I'd love to have Stallman come by and visit. I'd change the name if that would be what it takes to make that happen. :yes:

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:23 PM

View PostV.T. Eric Layton, on 17 April 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

We'd have to start using BATG/L for nickname, though. ;)
And there's the rub. It's clumsy to say and write. Imagine if all products used similar terminology. We'd have Ford/Bosch/Borg-Warner/Dunlop/Pioneer/etc cars, and Apple/Intel/Realtek/Foxconn/Seagate/Kingston/Marvell/etc computers! :rolleyes: :o

I have much respect for RMS, but the more I consider it, the more I think he should be honoured by the fact that Linux kernels meld with GNU utilities to make a great OS. Semantics are just fairy dust, and too much ranting against common usage is not productive.
And don't get me started on kids mangling the English language, such as using "like" in every sentence. A puppy dies every time "of" gets misused, or "its" and "it's" get confused. (Link NSFW but funny). Now get off my lawn!
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:40 AM

No offence sunrat but I never knew aussies could understand the finer points of pommie let alone complain about its use.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:55 AM

I think we should push for an evolved name for the GNU/Linux operating system. Maybe LiGNUx or GNUnix or just GNix? Yeah... GNix. I like that one. ;)

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:11 PM

Hm. I like that idea. GNix.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:00 PM

Think I'll write an open letter to Dr. Stallman on my blog and suggest that name. :yes:

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 04:02 PM

An Open Letter to Richard Stallman

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