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[ichase]

Ronald van Haren wrote:

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GRUB 2.x has moved to [core]. With this move support for GRUB legacy (i.e.
version 0.9x) is dropped, which is now moved to AUR.

Although GRUB legacy will not be removed from your system and will stay fully
functional, you should consider upgrading to GRUB version 2.x, or one of the
other supported bootloaders.

Please consult [the GRUB wiki page][1] for detailed installation instructions
for GRUB version 2.x.

[1]:

URL:

Alrighty all you die hard legacy users.  Time to give Grub2 a test drive.

I can hear it now.....

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BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!

  

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H3ll no we won't go!!!!!!!,

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You can have my legacy grub when you peel it from my cold dead hands

    

Edited by ichase, 20 July 2012 - 08:05 AM.

[amenditman]

My fingers are beginning to feel cold, also!

[abarbarian]

Cor blimey more reading up to do.

[abarbarian]

http://i.imgur.com/kb4Im.jpg

By the way this is where your links took me.  

[ichase]

Yeah Abarbarian, that is the login page for my work email.  Currently at work and have my Arch updates directed here considering this is the email address I spend most of my time in any more.

Here are the correct Links, for some reason I am not able to get to the full editor to fix these on my original post, maybe one of the Admins can fix it and delete this one.

[1]: https://wiki.archlin.../index.php/Grub


http://www.archlinux...nger-supported/

Edited by ichase, 20 July 2012 - 08:10 AM.

[sunrat]

abarbarian, on 20 July 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

http://i.imgur.com/kb4Im.jpg

By the way this is where your links took me.  

Freudian slip? ichases comment on where grub2 is taking him?

I personally welcome our new Grub2 overlords!
Seriously, I've been using it for several years now and it actually makes life easier than legacy grub; install distro, boot distro that grub lives in and run update-grub. I haven't had to edit a grub.conf by hand ever since grub2.

[ichase]

I like Grub2 and have it installed on both of my Arch builds Laptop and Desktop.

If you have multiple OS installed a simple

# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

will search for all installed OS's (including ones installed on external drives) and write your grub.cfg.  Also real easy to configure.  You can easily add a background image to your grub menu, change font and color.  I am sure you could do all of this on Legacy too, but I know it is easy to configure in Grub2.  

[securitybreach]

I knew that this was going to happen eventually but I have to admit that I am not very pleased by this news.

[ichase]

securitybreach, on 20 July 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

I knew that this was going to happen eventually but I have to admit that I am not very pleased by this news.

Oh I did not think you would be Josh.  

Change happens my friend, out with the old, in with the new.  The thing is, you can still keep legacy grub.  I don't see where any future updates are going to cause legacy to become unstable.  It just won't be supported any more.

[securitybreach]

ichase, on 20 July 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Oh I did not think you would be Josh.  

Change happens my friend, out with the old, in with the new.  The thing is, you can still keep legacy grub.  I don't see where any future updates are going to cause legacy to become unstable.  It just won't be supported any more.

I am fine with change. After all, I have been using a rolling distro for the last 5 years (Archlinux). The problem lies in the fact that Grub2 over complicates grub as far as manual configuration and such. Changing from one configuration file to many definitely goes against the KISS principle and that is the reason I am a bit irked about the change.

Even though I am a bit of command-line geek, that wiki article only confused me even more. So I have to make a decision: keep grub-legacy or do a ton of reading and research to setup/install grub2. I think I may sit this out for a little while or at least till there is a decent wiki entry explaining the procedure to upgrade.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

I don't like it. I don't want it. I'm not going to use it. So, there.

[abarbarian]

securitybreach, on 20 July 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Even though I am a bit of command-line geek, that wiki article only confused me even more.

Thank goodness you were confused too. I read and reread the wiki and the more I read the more confused I became.

[burninbush]

ichase, on 20 July 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

I like Grub2 and have it installed on both of my Arch builds Laptop and Desktop.

If you have multiple OS installed a simple

# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

will search for all installed OS's (including ones installed on external drives) and write your grub.cfg.  Also real easy to configure.  You can easily add a background image to your grub menu, change font and color.  I am sure you could do all of this on Legacy too, but I know it is easy to configure in Grub2.  

They'll have to pry grub legacy from my cold dead hands.   So long as it continues to load and start an OS, why should I upgrade?  It's just a boot utility, should not be the tail wagging the dog.

I really don't understand the attraction of grub2 -- you are still going to have to edit [something] to add any needed kernel parms, good luck figuring out which files to edit.

And that command won't find a frugal install anyway -- that's a big portion of what I use and play with here.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Have to agree with bb above. GRUB legacy is ever so much easier (to me, anyway) to add and edit booting parameters for different operating systems; particularly like in my case where they are spread across numerous physical drives and partitions.

[amenditman]

securitybreach, on 20 July 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

I knew that this was going to happen eventually but I have to admit that I am not very pleased by this news.

I tried to make GRUB2 work for me last year and gave up because it made everything indirect and complicated. It was a hot mess.
Violates the KISS simplicity rule and the Unix philosophy of doing one thing, doing it extremely well, and all config files are plain text, user editable.

I like GRUB, call it Legacy if you want, but it is dead simple, rock stable, and works every time without confusing the issue. If you mess it up, boot a LiveCD and edit the text file, you're back in business. Why do we need anything more?

I'll definitely be sitting this out until it becomes a lot easier.
Besides, I have enough new stuff to wrap my head around what with good old BIOS going away in favor or UEFI.

Dang, I really like old stuff that works without having think about it. All this new fangled madness has to be to give someone else control and/or profits, because I can't figure it out with simple addition and subtraction. My grandpa always told us that if you couldn't figure it with basic math skills, someone was trying to cheat the game.

Edited by amenditman, 20 July 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[sunrat]

You guys realise they are replacing the old street lamps with new-fangled electric ones?!

Grub2 is not that hard and not that new even. Read this nearly 3 year old article at Make Tech Easier - Mastering Grub 2 The Easy Way.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

What? No more gaslights? I guess I'll lose my lamplighter job. Figures.

Mastering GRUB 2, huh? UMMMM-MMMMMAAAA! He edited his grub.cfg.

[amenditman]

V.T. Eric Layton, on 20 July 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

He edited his grub.cfg.

That is a no no in GRUB2. Kind of like editing your sudoers file directly.

Bad juju, no good can come of these things.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Isn't there a special place in H3LL for folks who edit grub.cfg?

[sunrat]

V.T. Eric Layton, on 20 July 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

He edited his grub.cfg.

Not so. He edited /etc/grub.d/40_custom to make an extra entry with custom parameters. I have never had to do it.
There is a special place for people who edit grub.cfg. It's called Fairyland because that's where your edits will end up.

[ichase]

Well, it is nice to know that there is a special place in H311 for people like me.  I have been using Grub2 since I started using Linux so of course for me that is what I am most comfortable with.  I can say since I started using Linux, I have edited my grub.cfg on numerous occasions and still do.  If there has been conflicts with booting into another OS on another partition because of the legacy and 2 difference with how they read partitions, I have edited grub.cfg directly.  When I change the background on my grub menu, I do it at grub.cfg.

NOT saying it's right, just saying I have been doing it without incident for almost 2 years now.

Just a note, if you want to run

 # grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 

to find all of your installed OS's even on externals you have to have osprober installed in Arch.  

[V.T. Eric Layton]

I'll just stick w/ GRUB .97... ever so much easier.