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[Temmu]

greets,


w00t - judge rules megaupload.com search warrant invalidw00t! - judge rules megaupload.com search warrant invalid -
read about it here! http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-18623043#

i rejoice when overbearing governments anywhere get "smacked-down"
for heavy-handed attempts at quashing civil liberties and freedoms.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

YAY!

[crp]

well got one good ruling today. now lets see if people can get their stuff back

[abarbarian]

  

[sunrat]

This is good news. The FBI's jack-booted thug approach to this issue was overkill to the extreme. Sure, illegal copyright-infringing files were hosted there, but surely take-down orders would have been the appropriate response. Megaupload was just an online file hosting site. Many legitimate users were greatly inconvenienced, some irreparably.
Not to mention the US meddling in the affairs of other countries. If an issue existed it should have been referred to the foreign government, NZ in this case, to carry out any action deemed necessary.

[crp]

NZ and USA worked together on the MegaUpload situation.
i still think something was going with MegaUpload that the public has not been told about. People who went to the home page of MegaUpload where they had portals to where the musicians themselves were putting up stuff for people to download (sometimes for a nominal fee) probably didn't even know that there was a section devoted to pirating. Which makes the overblown take down even odder to me. Unless there were bio-engineered poison recipes being passed through.

[Temmu]

hypothetical poison recipes:

so what if they were?
destroy the host site for that?

go after the terrorists who posted that (if it existed.)
but prove intent first.
something woefully lacking in this day and age (no due process.)

[LilBambi]

You got that right Temmu. There were so many legitimate users and files up there. That was a WAY wrong answer. Takedowns as sunrat said was a much better way to go.

[crp]

I think I understand now why it went down the way it did. I hadn't thought of that connection as I don't watch movies.

[crp]

oh my gosh , now I know the situation stinks to high heaven .
Key paragraph for me:

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Last week, prosecutors acting on behalf of the US government appeared in the High Court to appeal a District Court ruling that will grant access to Dotcom and his co-accused to the evidence held against them for the extradition hearing.

What is the term for what the prosecutors/USGovt wants to do? Would 'Star Chamber' fit?
Cripes

[LilBambi]

On the Wired article noted in the ZDNet one,

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All the accused deny they were part of a conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, saying that Megaupload was a legitimate site for sharing files and that they complied with U.S. companies’ takedown notices, despite being a foreign corporation.
Kim Dotcom didn’t respond to Wired’s request for comment on the postponed extradition hearing, but on Twitter, accused the United States of “dirty delay tactics.”
Dotcom also railed against New Zealand Prime Minister John Key for refusing him due process and a fair defence, as he is entitled to as a permanent resident of the South Pacific nation.“.

Sometimes I wonder how much good it is to be a Citizen of New Zealand when stuff like that can be allowed by foreign governments. And in Australia too after the lack of support/safe harbor of Assange by his native Australia as well. What is going on in those two countries that they both would deny their own like that on the word of foreign governments?

Noted in the article, his Twitter post about it:

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Kim Dotcom ‏@KimDotcom


Extradition hearing delayed til March. Dirty delay tactics by the US. They destroyed my business. Took all my assets. Time does the rest.

[sunrat]

I think the Dotcom and Assange cases are totally different. Dotcom ran a website in his home country, Assange was accused of a sex crime in Sweden.  If Dotcom is accused of a crime, it should be tried in NZ.
Australia has a policy of assisting it's citizens who get into trouble overseas with legal help, but they can't override a foreign country's laws.
I think there is a consensus of opinion in Australia that Assange's charges in Sweden are false, and that it is just the US government trying to get him there so he can be extradited to the US to stand treason charges. The UK will not extradite him. It's a lot of secret dirty business.

[LilBambi]

Yes, they are both very different.

But the result is similar... USA want them and their websites and information at all cost it seems.

[Temmu]

people are accused of crimes when govts want them gone.

[crp]

The more the government acts like this , the more i want MU to win huge.

[sunrat]

crp, on 31 July 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

The more the government acts like this , the more i want MU to win huge.

I'm with you there, that article is disturbing. The US government seems to think it is above the law and can do what they like to the whole world. Message from the world - "no you're not and no you can't!"