Jump to content


Final thoughts on Windows 8: A design disaster - ZDNet Hardware 2.0

windows 8 disaster design review kingsley-hughes zdnet hardware 2.0

  • Please log in to reply
98 replies to this topic

#76 ONLINE   Webb

Webb

    Thread Head

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 695 posts

Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:08 AM

If I installed this OS would I lose the option (as I have with XP) to use a Windows Classic (looks like Win95/98) interface?
A bad day at golf is better than a good day at work.


Posted Image
Jim

#77 OFFLINE   Tushman

Tushman

    Forum Fiend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,799 posts

Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:13 PM

View PostWebb, on 12 August 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

If I installed this OS would I lose the option (as I have with XP) to use a Windows Classic (looks like Win95/98) interface?

I wouldn't bet on it.

Why would you want to use a modern OS and have it look like something from the stone ages?   For those people who are so against change and "new" things in Windows, I shake my head in disbelief.  Ten years from now, with another new operating system from Microsoft, would you continue to want the look & feel of Win95/98?  Good god I hope not my friend.  Eventually you have to move on and adapt.  We're talking technology here folks.  If everything stayed the same, what would be the point?  For those unwilling to adapt to changes, I say go out to your local garage sale, find a cheap Pentium III computer, and have fun with your Win98.

Edited by Tushman, 12 August 2012 - 01:16 PM.


#78 ONLINE   Webb

Webb

    Thread Head

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 695 posts

Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:16 PM

Does anyone have a real answer - one that answers the question without a paragraph of gratuitous snark?
A bad day at golf is better than a good day at work.


Posted Image
Jim

#79 OFFLINE   crp

crp

    Forum Fiend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,686 posts

Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostWebb, on 12 August 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

If I installed this OS would I lose the option (as I have with XP) to use a Windows Classic (looks like Win95/98) interface?
Yes, unless a 3rd party comes up with a functional skin (highly doubtful).

#80 ONLINE   Webb

Webb

    Thread Head

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 695 posts

Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:01 PM

Thanks.
A bad day at golf is better than a good day at work.


Posted Image
Jim

#81 OFFLINE   goretsky

goretsky

    Multithreader

  • Forum Moderators
  • 1,220 posts

Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:16 AM

[Updated to fix incorrect information.  AG]

Hello,

With Windows 8, after you log in the Start Screen is displayed with the 'Metro' app tiles displayed on it.  To see the desktop, you need to press the Windows + D keys on your keyboard.  Is that what you were asking about, Webb?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

View PostWebb, on 12 August 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

If I installed this OS would I lose the option (as I have with XP) to use a Windows Classic (looks like Win95/98) interface?

Edited by goretsky, 17 August 2012 - 03:32 AM.
Fixed incorrect info about function of Windows key from Start Screen.

Dexter is a good dog.
Aryeh Goretsky
Microsoft MVP Windows Expert - ITPro
My blog.

#82 ONLINE   Webb

Webb

    Thread Head

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 695 posts

Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:10 PM

No, I was asking about whether 8 supports the "Windows Classic" theme.

Posted Image

It does not.
A bad day at golf is better than a good day at work.


Posted Image
Jim

#83 OFFLINE   LilBambi

LilBambi

    Australisches Googler

  • Forum Admins
  • 16,494 posts

Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:56 PM

Unfortunately, you always have to boot into the UI formerly known as Metro, now known as Modern. They are making users do that first, btw. BEFORE going to any Desktop UI. From there, you do what Aryeh said to get to the Desktop as outlined here. Now you are at the Desktop UI and would likely have to have a third party add on to get any other UI on the Desktop UI side of things as crp noted (and as he said, unlikely for that but who knows, there were ones for Windows 7, but as far as the old 98/98SE Classic look .. I wouldn't hold your breath,, they even dropped Aero Glass).
Posted Image
BambisMusings Blog :: Fran's Computer Services Blog :: MyPassionIsBooks Blog :: 5BuckReview :: CNIRadio
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." ~John Gilmore (Time Magazine, Dec 6, 1993)

#84 OFFLINE   raymac46

raymac46

    Multithreader

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,119 posts

Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:45 PM

I never liked the Luna theme for XP, so I soon had my desktop looking like Windows 2000. When I switched over to Windows 7 I found that the default desktop was pretty nice to look at and work with so - aside from changing the theme a little - I stuck with it.
With Windows 8 on the way I think the Windows 7 desktop will shortly be considered a classic in its own right.


Registered Linux User 445659

#85 OFFLINE   crp

crp

    Forum Fiend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,686 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:05 AM

View Postraymac46, on 13 August 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

I never liked the Luna theme for XP, so I soon had my desktop looking like Windows 2000. When I switched over to Windows 7 I found that the default desktop was pretty nice to look at and work with so - aside from changing the theme a little - I stuck with it.
With Windows 8 on the way I think the Windows 7 desktop will shortly be considered a classic in its own right.
Do you use Aero? I would miss the semi-transparency.  Heck, I miss it when I use XP.

#86 OFFLINE   sunrat

sunrat

    Discussion Deity

  • Forum Moderators
  • 3,575 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:14 AM

I like Aero. Even had KDE3 set up to look a bit like that before even Vista came out.
I'll be sticking with Windows 7 for quite a long time for those 2 programs I have that won't run well in Linux (Phoenix Flight Sim, and GTA4, maybe more games later). I tell ya, setting up GTA4 with Games For Windows Live Login, Rockstar Social Club login, Skype login, and SecureROM really drove home the point of how little freedom there is in the Windows world.
MS probably dropped Metro name due to it's connotations of Metrosexual, which is like a new name for Yuppie. Imagine, new MS Yuppie OS! :lol:
registered Linux user number 324659  || The importance of Reading The *Fine* Manual! :D
Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image  
Today's subliminal thought is:

#87 OFFLINE   goretsky

goretsky

    Multithreader

  • Forum Moderators
  • 1,220 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:27 AM

Hello,

I did not see a 'Windows Classic' theme included in the Release Preview of Windows 8, however, you may be able to get close to that experience by disabling the Themes service from the Services Control Manager.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky



View PostWebb, on 13 August 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

No, I was asking about whether 8 supports the "Windows Classic" theme.

Posted Image

It does not.

Dexter is a good dog.
Aryeh Goretsky
Microsoft MVP Windows Expert - ITPro
My blog.

#88 OFFLINE   amenditman

amenditman

    Forum Fiend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,888 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:57 AM

View Postsunrat, on 14 August 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

MS probably dropped Metro name due to it's connotations of Metrosexual, which is like a new name for Yuppie. Imagine, new MS Yuppie OS! :lol:
They dropped it because it is already trademarked and linked to a product by another company.
Tweak it 'til it breaks, then learn how to fix it.  L.I.F.E. (Linux Is For Everyone)
Registered Linux User # 474004 (06/16/2008)

The HeliOS Project  -  B.O.D.
A Child's Exposure to Technology Should Never Be
  Predicated On The Ability To Afford It

#89 OFFLINE   sunrat

sunrat

    Discussion Deity

  • Forum Moderators
  • 3,575 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:09 AM

View Postamenditman, on 14 August 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

They dropped it because it is already trademarked and linked to a product by another company.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. :D
registered Linux user number 324659  || The importance of Reading The *Fine* Manual! :D
Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image  
Today's subliminal thought is:

#90 OFFLINE   amenditman

amenditman

    Forum Fiend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,888 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:15 AM

View Postsunrat, on 14 August 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. :D
That is the story being circulated in all the technology "news". It might also be the truth, but I haven't done any fact checking.
Tweak it 'til it breaks, then learn how to fix it.  L.I.F.E. (Linux Is For Everyone)
Registered Linux User # 474004 (06/16/2008)

The HeliOS Project  -  B.O.D.
A Child's Exposure to Technology Should Never Be
  Predicated On The Ability To Afford It

#91 OFFLINE   raymac46

raymac46

    Multithreader

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,119 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:55 PM

View Postcrp, on 14 August 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Do you use Aero? I would miss the semi-transparency.  Heck, I miss it when I use XP.

Yes I like the Aero look and feel.


Registered Linux User 445659

#92 OFFLINE   V.T. Eric Layton

V.T. Eric Layton

    Nocturnal Slacker

  • Forum Admins
  • 14,851 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:25 PM

I run Aero on my Win 7 installation on my laptop. It's like KDE 4 that actually works. ;)

Posted Image


#93 OFFLINE   LilBambi

LilBambi

    Australisches Googler

  • Forum Admins
  • 16,494 posts

Posted 14 August 2012 - 09:05 PM

View Postraymac46, on 14 August 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Yes I like the Aero look and feel.

Me too raymac. I like it a lot. Best UI Microsoft came up with ever. And they ditch it...sigh...
Posted Image
BambisMusings Blog :: Fran's Computer Services Blog :: MyPassionIsBooks Blog :: 5BuckReview :: CNIRadio
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." ~John Gilmore (Time Magazine, Dec 6, 1993)

#94 OFFLINE   raymac46

raymac46

    Multithreader

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,119 posts

Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:08 AM

Even though I do a fair bit of IT consultation for the neighborhood seniors, I intend to stay with Windows 7 as long as I can. Anyone who buys a new machine with Windows 8 will have to deal with my learning curve if they expect some help.
I never installed/purchased a machine with Vista but I have helped out some folks in our town who had it on their PCs.
Aside from the ugly Start Screen and a few other goodies like the Charms Bar I think Win 8 won't be that tough to decipher.


Registered Linux User 445659

#95 OFFLINE   LilBambi

LilBambi

    Australisches Googler

  • Forum Admins
  • 16,494 posts

Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:20 PM

Heard that! :thumbsup:
Posted Image
BambisMusings Blog :: Fran's Computer Services Blog :: MyPassionIsBooks Blog :: 5BuckReview :: CNIRadio
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." ~John Gilmore (Time Magazine, Dec 6, 1993)

#96 OFFLINE   sunrat

sunrat

    Discussion Deity

  • Forum Moderators
  • 3,575 posts

Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:46 PM

Windows 8
Posted Image
Thanks to Geek And Poke.
registered Linux user number 324659  || The importance of Reading The *Fine* Manual! :D
Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image  
Today's subliminal thought is:

#97 OFFLINE   LilBambi

LilBambi

    Australisches Googler

  • Forum Admins
  • 16,494 posts

Posted 01 September 2012 - 02:47 AM

:hysterical:
Posted Image
BambisMusings Blog :: Fran's Computer Services Blog :: MyPassionIsBooks Blog :: 5BuckReview :: CNIRadio
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." ~John Gilmore (Time Magazine, Dec 6, 1993)

#98 OFFLINE   abarbarian

abarbarian

    Posting Prodigy

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,097 posts

Posted 02 September 2012 - 06:13 AM

View Postcrp, on 14 August 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Do you use Aero? I would miss the semi-transparency.  Heck, I miss it when I use XP.

I used

http://www.crystalxp...1.12.cat.7.html

and

http://rocketdock.com/

and some of these

http://rocketdock.co...ons/all/popular

An I were very happy with my XP.  :breakfast:
Install ARCH
You'll never need to install it again
"I did and I'm really happy"

Posted Image~~~~~~~~~~~~~Posted Image

#99 OFFLINE   Temmu

Temmu

    The Assimilator

  • Forum MVP
  • 9,797 posts

Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:20 PM

View Postsunrat, on 30 August 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Windows 8
Posted Image
Thanks to Geek And Poke.

that is great, sunrat!
Posted Image





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: windows 8, disaster, design, review, kingsley-hughes, zdnet, hardware 2.0

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users