95 replies to this topic

[frapper]

I think it will be a message management nightmare. I much prefer the old standalone message format. But then I'm an old standalone guy.  

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Change is not good for us older folks. I don't like the new "conversations" baloney much either. I guess I can get used to it, though.

[zlim]

frapper and i have a test thread going. he is able to delete any of his posts in the thread and they are gone for both of us. i am able to delete any of my posts in the thread and I assume they disappear for him also. (I haven't heard back today yet).

We will see what happens when either of us presses the large red delete button at the top.

i also have not archived a thread to see how that works either.

[LilBambi]

That's great .. makes it easier if folks know what to expect. Maybe you can do a tip/trick about Conversations/Personal Messenger when you get it figured out? That would be great!

[sunrat]

V.T. Eric Layton, on 14 April 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Change is not good for us older folks.

Agreed. For instance, Frapper looks much older in his avatar than he used to. I can work with most of the changes though.
I do miss the jump box at the bottom of the page. I used it a lot. Is it possible to revive it?
Also spellcheck works fine for me with no tweaking in Iceweasel 10.0.3. It even says "spellcheck" is not a word!

[LilBambi]

They removed it and replaced it with breadcrumbs both top and bottom on every page so I don't think they plan on reviving the Jump box dropdown.

Nice to know that Iceweasel didn't need to have the language dictionary reselected like the one in Firefox.

[LilBambi]

Through the Portal page (top navigation area) we were able to sorta bring back some of the things they changed, but I have not seen a hook to bring that back yet.

[LilBambi]

Wait! It's not technically gone! Click the Open Quick Navigation icon (in the right top navigation bar, to the left of the white paintbrush) and a pop up box opens with all that. It's a bit different than we remember but it is all there and more!

BTW: There is an up arrow icon in the middle of the bottom of every page to take you to the top of the page to easily get to the quick navigation area, portal, etc.

[frapper]

sunrat, on 16 April 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Agreed. For instance, Frapper looks much older in his avatar than he used to.

My old avatar was an F-4 Phantom fighter plane, circa 1965. I am older than that...older than dirt??

[LilBambi]

To quote a very funny old movie, Remo Williams, The Adventure Begins:

Remo Williams: Chiun, you're incredible!
Chiun: No, I am better than that.

and later in the movie:

Remo Williams: You're incorrigible, Chiun.
Chiun: No, I'm better than than.

[securitybreach]

Well when I tried to click Like This, I got the following error:

Quote

You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

[LilBambi]

Try again, Josh. Let me know how it goes.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

frapper, on 16 April 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

My old avatar was an F-4 Phantom fighter plane, circa 1965. I am older than that...older than dirt??

Hey! That's what my hat says in this pic from my 50th birthday party (the black balloons and all)...

[frapper]

You were such a young punk back then, Eric!  

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Yup. Waaaay back about 7 months ago.

[LilBambi]

Frapper looks dangerous wielding that ... that ... club?

[sunrat]

LilBambi, on 16 April 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

Wait! It's not technically gone! Click the Open Quick Navigation icon (in the right top navigation bar, to the left of the white paintbrush) and a pop up box opens with all that. It's a bit different than we remember but it is all there and more!

BTW: There is an up arrow icon in the middle of the bottom of every page to take you to the top of the page to easily get to the quick navigation area, portal, etc.

I can work with that. Thanks Fran. This new board is like playing Civilization or Starcraft - the more you look around, the more you find.
Also, are there more settings in the MySettings section now? It just occurred to me that it would be nice to have automatic notification of new posts in threads I had posted in. Looked in MySettings and voilà, it was there! Then again, maybe I never looked before.

[LilBambi]

Awesome! Yes, it is amazing how much more there is to this new upgraded version of IP.Board forum software. And mostly it's great! A few areas I am trying to find new ways to do stuff we did differently, but for the most part, either it's moved or been renamed, or there's a Hook for something similar.

[securitybreach]

LilBambi, on 16 April 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Try again, Josh. Let me know how it goes.

Works beautifully now

[LilBambi]

Great! Glad to hear it.

[Cluttermagnet]

Yikes! I feel like I have dropped from college level proficiency in my messaging to Kindergarten or even pre-K. This is awful. Composing posts has become so effortful that I think I'm looking at weeks before Roadie Dirk ever reappears. Sorry, I know that a lot of effort has gone into the changeover to the new format, but I don't at all care for it. Hope the new PHP at least improves security. Usability has taken a big hit IMO.

I can't get the compose window to do what I want it to do. I have even found that hitting Edit on my older posts now fails to reveal the code I used for special effects- font changes, etc. It only displays the result, it fails to reveal the code that produced that result. I'm going to have to completely relearn how to compose for this venue, probably by slow trial and error. It's like having to relearn how to walk. So far, little is making sense to me.

I know html well enough to just start composing in html- but I find that this software is not performing predictably with it. I'm unable to do much useful work, I'm instead reduced to guessing and playing trial and error while trying to learn its quirkiness. Sorry, I hate to sound so darned negative, but this change has knocked me on my butt. I just needed to blow off a little steam. Will try again later...

Also, it's disappointing to see the poorly rendered quotes and links from older posts. It all looks like a bunch of text all run together, very confusing. OK, I'm leaving for now, sorry...

[LilBambi]

We have tried to have the impact of the very drastic change from a very OLD and insecure version of the forum software, to the current version as low impact as is possible, but some things we have no control over, or very little control over.

The editor is their choice, not ours. They have gone to their own customized version of CKEditor.

Having said that, you can use the little light switch icon in the upper left corner of the first row of editor options  to turn off the WYSIWYG editor to use and see the plain text version.

As far as the old messages and quotes, yes, I think we were all disappointed by the upgrade's handling of old messages in the conversion, particularly in relation to quotes. I do plan on re-running the post rebuilder at some point soon, but it took well over 14 hrs to do it the last time, and when I have tried to run it again, it appears to really slows things down while it is going on when the forums are open. I am trying to determine a relatively good time to try to run that again while the forum is actually open (instead of closing the forums to run it) to see if it helps the quotes issue at all.

Overall, I think they have done a very good job with the new version. I do think it was certainly a shock for us to go from our old version to the new version, but it had to be done as you noted for security reasons if for nothing else.

Most of the changes have been very good changes. However, we have had to do work a rounds for some things as noted in various postings, like the addition of Portal, and the new Portal page link in the top navigation area to get some of the things we all enjoyed back such as recent postings, instead of just recently added topics which is what is shown in New Content in the upper right area of the top navigation, and in the new postings listed on under the the right side Recent Topics area of the main page. And a few other things as well.

I don't know if it will even fix the problem with the quotes, but we will try to run the rebuilding of posts again sometime soon in hopes of correcting that. There are no guarantees as we took a huge leap between our old version and the current version...

NOTE: HTML does not work in the forums. It is all BBCode.

Which has not changed from the old forum version to this one.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Light switch... COOL! I hadn't even noticed it before.

[Corrine]

Cluttermagnet, on 21 April 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Yikes! I feel like I have dropped from college level proficiency in my messaging to Kindergarten or even pre-K. This is awful. Composing posts has become so effortful that I think I'm looking at weeks before Roadie Dirk ever reappears. Sorry, I know that a lot of effort has gone into the changeover to the new format, but I don't at all care for it. Hope the new PHP at least improves security. Usability has taken a big hit IMO.

I understand where you're coming from.  I think its the influence of social media on not only this platform but others as well (i.e., Google Blogger underwent a change that is even worse & takes considerably more clicks to do what used to be accomplished in one click.)

Personally, I use the "quick reply" box to compose posts and then click the "More Reply Options" to preview/edit as appropriate.

As to security improvements, yes, many, many fixes to the code.

[LilBambi]

Corrine, on 21 April 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

I understand where you're coming from.  I think its the influence of social media on not only this platform but others as well (i.e., Google Blogger underwent a change that is even worse & takes considerably more clicks to do what used to be accomplished in one click.)

Personally, I use the "quick reply" box to compose posts and then click the "More Reply Options" to preview/edit as appropriate.

As to security improvements, yes, many, many fixes to the code.

I do the same thing "quick reply' box to compose (and it may be enough for short messages), and then click the more reply options to preview and edit as necessary (very much needed for many longer posts, especially with images and or more advanced formatting, etc.).