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#1 OFFLINE   V.T. Eric Layton

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 08:19 PM

While we're on this topic...

Google announces privacy changes across products; users can’t opt out

I have a feeling this is all going to backfire on Google one of these days. They'll end up being just another Worldcom or Netscape if they keep whizzing people off like this.

Hi, steeler_fan here. I split this topic off from the Google+ topic for easier reading/discussion

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

Sigh....
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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

OK, well... I'm officially over Google, folks. I'm winding down my three Google email accounts. I spent quite a bit of time today filling out change of email addy forms and unsubscribing/resubscribing to many of my newsletter sites. Over time, I'll have less and less activity on my Gmail accounts. I'll leave them up for contact options on my blogs and websites so that all the carp can come to those accounts. Google can have all my carp. wink.gif

I been using Yahoo (Bing) for quite some time already, so that's that.

I would never have expected Google to become this dollar grubbing whore that it seems to be becoming. I guess I was a bit naive. Yes. I know that Bing (Microsoft) and Yahoo are also about making a buck. Google just seems to be really sticking it up our noses, though. They think the have the world hooked on their products. They may even be right about that. I've never been one to follow the crowd, though.

I think they should change their company name from Google to Sheeple since that's who they're fleecing of data and privacy.

What's the Internet coming to?

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:56 PM

I hear ya Eric. Sad really...
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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:48 PM

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:58 PM

The reality here is that Google is now sharing your data between all their different products, whereas before each product had its own information on you...

So the data being collected is nothing new, but being used in a new way.

I've had some interesting discussions at work about the privacy implications.

Surprisingly, no one was really concerned about the potential problems with their personal information. However, they said (and this is probably true) that this information will be used primarily to deliver ads targeted to you. WHat I found interesting is that some of these folks said they would prefer it that way. For example, why show them an ad for Harvard? They aren't interested in that. However, many of them are, shall we say, aficionados of beer. They would rather see ads that they might be more likely to click on, so the advertisers get better bang for their buck. The ads can be better tuned to them by an amalgamation of their unique data.

An interesting perspective, if you ask me. It certainly bears some thought.....

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:52 PM

Great Sebastian Anthony article at ExtremeTech --> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/115425-google-is-fubar

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:13 PM

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Google announced perhaps the biggest change it has ever made to its massive network of web services: Starting in March, your search and surf habits across all of Google’s products will be combined to form the mother of all behavioral profiles.


Exactly and why I am so upset about this.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:16 PM

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First, you can’t opt out of these changes. Basically, on March 1, Google is combining 60 out of its 70 privacy policies to form a Main Privacy Policy, which mandates the sharing of data between services. If you use one of these 60 services (which includes almost everything except Google Chrome), there is no option for you to continue using the old privacy policy that existed when you signed up. If you have a Google account, you must accept this new privacy policy if you want to continue using Gmail, Docs, and so on. You must allow Google to share your data between its services.


Just boils my noodle more and more, the more I read!
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:19 PM

This is also why I use DuckDuckGo.com and StartPage.com or IXQuick.com more and more.

This kind of crap is why I left Facebook, BTW. mad.gif
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:35 PM

I've continued to wind down my Gmail usage today. In a matter of weeks, I should be totally free of it. When 1 March rolls around, I'm seriously considering NOT agreeing to their new Privacy Policy, which would, of course, result in termination of all my Gmail accounts. So be it.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (V.T. Eric Layton @ Jan 26 2012, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great Sebastian Anthony article at ExtremeTech --> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/115425-google-is-fubar


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Google is FUBAR


I am extremely disappointed that this guy could not be more professional in his analisys of the issue. There are plenty of other things he could have said.

SPYW- This can be turned off, if I remember correctly.

http://support.google.com/websearch/bin/an...;answer=2410479

Especially with search.... you can log out of Google before you try the search. Just sayin'....

I know everyone is really having issues with this. However, this article is needlessly sensationalist. If you are the type of person who does not have an account on Facebook, then this type of service is not going to work for you.

The beauty of the Internet is there is choice. I can go somewhere else.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:37 PM

Adam is a Google lover! Adam is a Google lover! Na-Na-Na-Na!  happy71.gif

Just teasing ya', Adam. wink.gif

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:40 PM

Well, I do use Gmail and youtube.

That's about it.

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I tjust wish the press would take the high ground when writing articles like this. It is getting to be almost like cable news networks.....

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:51 PM

I hear ya Adam. I too wish so many times that media would take the high road, however, much of what he says is true. He really didn't have to over sensationalize it to get that.

And you are right, if you are not logged in (and I am ONLY logged in when absolutely necessary!), the results are not skewed (and I do consider them skewed when I am logged in). I want independent search results. Not ones tailored to me. And I definitely do NOT want ads tailored to me. I don't want any ads, but I have to deal with some. I use Adblock Plus on the rest. wink.gif
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:56 PM

Most Internet press sites are just fancy-schmancy blogs these days, Adam.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE (LilBambi @ Jan 26 2012, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And you are right, if you are not logged in (and I am ONLY logged in when absolutely necessary!), the results are not skewed (and I do consider them skewed when I am logged in). I want independent search results. Not ones tailored to me. And I definitely do NOT want ads tailored to me. I don't want any ads, but I have to deal with some. I use Adblock Plus on the rest. wink.gif


I would argue that the results are skewed (personalized) even when you are not logged in. It tends to not be as obvious.

Run the same search after clearing cache on two browsers from different OSs. I bet the results on a mac will be slightly different than the results on a linux machine.

Google is still trying to predict what results would be useful to you, by using your IP information, location, OS, browser, etc. Location (approximate) will be derived from IP address.

Google is doing everything it can to get the results that would be the most relevant to you. In order to that, they are using all kinds of demographic information that they can get.

After all, if you are searching for information on viruses from a linux machine, your needs would be different than if you performed the same search on a Mac or Windows machine, right? wink.gif

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QUOTE (V.T. Eric Layton @ Jan 26 2012, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most Internet press sites are just fancy-schmancy blogs these days, Adam.


True. The lines between a blog and news site are sadly blurred. It makes it very hard to get reliable information.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 07:40 PM

Actually that's not true at all ... at least for me. I would imagine for some users that might be the case but not for me.

I sometimes search using one browser or another, I also search from other OSes when I am looking for answers for totally different OS.

I do not want my results skewed like that at all.

If I want info on Windows, I will specify that in my search. Same for Linux or Mac OS. And I am very specific about the OS I mean when I search. I do not want or need their help in 'guessing' my needs or wants.

I will give an example of such 'helpful' sites. There was a time when I needed to download a Windows file from Mac or Linux and the specific plugin website thought it would be smart and would only offer the one I needed for my particular OS. I could not get what I needed and had to go to a third party file site like FileHippo to get what I needed. I don't mind doing that but I wanted to make sure I had the absolute latest available from the vendor and I couldn't.

There have also been times when I needed to find an answer to a question in one OS and wasn't able to boot that OS. I had to search using a totally different computer and OS to get the information needed.  And the results I was getting were skewed for the OS I was using even with the search criteria I gave it; meaning instead of my answer link being on the first page near the top, it was several pages in.

Many such examples have been very frustrating over the years.

This is not at all helpful. You see what I mean? And that was only a couple examples.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:06 PM

It's not "guessing". At least it's not an uneducated guess. It learns things about you and tries to show you what is relevant.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:52 AM

QUOTE (ross549 @ Jan 25 2012, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've had some interesting discussions at work about the privacy implications.

Surprisingly, no one was really concerned about the potential problems with their personal information. However, they said (and this is probably true) that this information will be used primarily to deliver ads targeted to you.


Uh... they SHOULD BE worried about their privacy.  it is not just targeted ads.  Google also filters search results based on your past searches and your activity on other google apps.  Great - just what I need.  Some giant corporate entity doing all my *thinking* for me and shoving something in front me telling me what i should buy/eat/smell/search for/drool over/... on & on...

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:59 AM

QUOTE (LilBambi @ Jan 26 2012, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do not want my results skewed like that at all.

This is not at all helpful. You see what I mean? And that was only a couple examples.


We are both in the minority. If we don't want our results skewed, where do we go? What search engine has good results that are usable?

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:02 AM

QUOTE (Tushman @ Jan 27 2012, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh... they SHOULD BE worried about their privacy.  it is not just targeted ads.  Google also filters search results based on your past searches and your activity on other google apps.  Great - just what I need.  Some giant corporate entity doing all my *thinking* for me and shoving something in front me telling me what i should buy/eat/smell/search for/drool over/... on & on...


I was not implying that they shouldn't be concerned... merely that they were not. It was an interesting conversation. FOr what it is worth, it was with some of the brightest folks at my command. I am betting that most people will have similar opinions.

This puts us in the extreme minority. Assuming that is the case, is our view too narrow? Do we need to be this dogmatic about this?

These are the questions I am wrestling with.....

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 01:58 PM

I'm not sure why this is inherently bad. Are they collecting new information? In fact I didn't know that the different products were (are) separate--I thought they shared stuff anyway. Especially after G+ things started showing up in Searches.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:24 PM

Neil,

The new change allows Google to share data between services. That is the only change I know of.

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/upd...-and-terms.html

http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/preview/

There may be other stuf embedded in the policy from the merging of the ~75 other policies.

Straight from the horse' mouth.......

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

OK, I'm all mailed up again, folks. Thanks for the suggestions. I used Hotmail for one account and Fastmail for another. I tried GMX, but they told me they couldn't process my app at that time. I'm too impatient to wait and come back later, though. Oh well... maybe a GMX account some other time.

Sunsetting my Gmail accounts folks. If you had any of them as your contact method for me, they won't work be any good after 1 March, when I decline to agree to their new Privacy Policy. I imagine all my Gmail accounts will be terminated at that time. My new contact email is a clickable link on a little mailbox pic on my website: http://vtel.jaylach.com/vtel57/vtel57.html Grab it there. Thanks. smile.gif

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