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[Temmu]

A boot to the head?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM



Adam

thank you, thank you, thank you!  

i had a copy of that 20 years ago, but lost it!!

that is great!  the master is great!  the boot is great!

[ross549]

thank you, thank you, thank you!  

i had a copy of that 20 years ago, but lost it!!

that is great!  the master is great!  the boot is great!

Adam

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Who needs SOPA/PIPA/ACTA? All that needs to happen is for RIAA to pressure the ISPs to achieve everything they wanted in the first place.

RIAA chief: ISPs to start policing copyright by July 1

Next they'll be telling you who you can and cannot email with, or what you can and cannot watch on YouTube, or which music sites you can or cannot visit. The future looks... well, more regulated/regimented/controlled, folks! Simple rules never stay simple; they evolve over time toward tyranny, as they paint with their extremely broad brushes.

Enjoy your newly lost freedoms.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Here we go...

In the name of security, we will end up losing all of our liberties.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/03/roger...-and-pirate-bay

The future is NOT looking brighter.

[securitybreach]

Here we go...

In the name of security, we will end up losing all of our liberties.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/03/roger...-and-pirate-bay

The future is NOT looking brighter.

[ross549]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/07/gradu...-users-had-been



Adam

[amenditman]

One more reason to go back to the good old days of the early internet, before we had centralized servers granting us access.
We just connected our computers together over the telephone system and viola! We could communicate and share ideas.

Here's the solution!   
http://www.google.com/onceuponatime/tisp/install.html

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Hypothetically speaking, we should still be able to do that.  

[amenditman]

How about the fact that Verizon has done all they can to remove access to the public switched telephone network via pre-existing copper lines. In my neighborhood, when they came in and dug up the entire block and buried fiber-optic cable, they hooked up everyone with a Verizon account. When they connected us via fiber they disconnected and disabled the copper connections.

I'm sure we could re-connect that system, if we could ever reclaim it from big red.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Hmm... Yes, that's true. Big V is forcing everyone to go FIOS eventually. There's always radio.

[amenditman]

I don't think that any big corps have invaded the ham territory yet, we could base our tech revolution on that.
Hey, you're a radio expert, why don't you invent the next generation of free internet access technology?

[ross549]

Hmm... Yes, that's true. Big V is forcing everyone to go FIOS eventually. There's always radio.

I thought Verizon's FIOS rollout was halted......

I heard it somewhere.

Here it is... http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/27/verizon...locations-to-m/



Adam

[amenditman]

I thought Verizon's FIOS rollout was halted......

I heard it somewhere.

Here it is... http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/27/verizon...locations-to-m/



Adam

They don't mention Florida, but we have it in the Tampa market, and we no longer have any copper wires.
Only way to connect to the phone system is over fiber optic.

[LilBambi]

Sen. Wyden demands vote on American copyright, patent treaties (arstechnica)

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) is a long-time opponent of the secretly negotiated Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). Today he introduced an amendment to a Senate "jobs bill" that would force ACTA to come before Congress for approval. A second amendment would make the US Trade Representative, which negotiates US trade deals, drop the veil of secrecy around its copyright and patent negotiations.

More in the article.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

They don't mention Florida, but we have it in the Tampa market, and we no longer have any copper wires.
Only way to connect to the phone system is over fiber optic.

Well, that's not quite true. Those with copper service are still working. However, once you go to FIOS, you cannot go back to copper. Eventually, according to sources of mine within the Tampa Verizon shop, FIOS will be the ONLY option. They will convert everyone in the Tampa area eventually. The days of copper are waning here.

Fiber is much cheaper to install and maintain than copper-based systems. It's not about progress. It's about money. Ain't that always the case?

Next on the horizon will be the "poop meter", a device to measure the sewer output from your home in order for local utilities to get a more accurate accounting of your poop, rather than just basing it on water usage. Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard.

[amenditman]

Well, that's not quite true. Those with copper service are still working. However, once you go to FIOS, you cannot go back to copper. Eventually, according to sources of mine within the Tampa Verizon shop, FIOS will be the ONLY option. They will convert everyone in the Tampa area eventually. The days of copper are waning here.

Fiber is much cheaper to install and maintain than copper-based systems. It's not about progress. It's about money. Ain't that always the case?

Next on the horizon will be the "poop meter", a device to measure the sewer output from your home in order for local utilities to get a more accurate accounting of your poop, rather than just basing it on water usage. Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard.

Yes, those with no history on fiber are still on copper, but the end is in sight for that infrastructure. In this case it's about more than just money. If they can get us all on the proprietary fiber system and off the old public copper system, they can be in control with less regulatory oversight. The old copper system comes with quite a burden to them in gov. regulations.

I've seen the "poop in a hole" sytem in practice, I'll voluntarily pay the sewer charge until it is really outrageous.

[ross549]

Well, that's not quite true. Those with copper service are still working. However, once you go to FIOS, you cannot go back to copper. Eventually, according to sources of mine within the Tampa Verizon shop, FIOS will be the ONLY option. They will convert everyone in the Tampa area eventually. The days of copper are waning here.

Fiber is much cheaper to install and maintain than copper-based systems. It's not about progress. It's about money. Ain't that always the case?

Next on the horizon will be the "poop meter", a device to measure the sewer output from your home in order for local utilities to get a more accurate accounting of your poop, rather than just basing it on water usage. Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard.

How is fiber cheaper to install and maintain?

It is hugely expensive!

Adam

[V.T. Eric Layton]

Do you have any idea what it costs to maintain copper wire systems in the wet environment of Florida. Not to mention the huge electro-mechanical CO facilities required. FIOS can be maintained with a computer running Linux from a small office in downtown.

[Temmu]

Save money on your utilities bill by pooping in a hole you dig in your backyard.

tried that.  that's when the police arrived.  seems i was in the neighbors yard.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

You mean to say you were arrested for trespooping?

HAHA!    I kill me.

[LilBambi]

It's rather interesting with copper and fiber optic cabling. It makes a difference as to what type of installation one is doing. It's different for long runs for a neighborhood versus all the curves and turns in an install for a company network for instance. It's still not worth doing for home use.

However, with the cost of copper going up, and the cost of fiber coming down; particularly in huge lots like would be used by ISPs per se, it's looking more realistic apparently.

Cost of Fiber Optics Vs Cost of Copper - eHow.com:

Function

        Both copper and fiber optic wire allow data and sound to move along their lengths. Copper wire has a noticeably smaller bandwidth since it was mainly used alongside older land-line telephones needing only voice signal movement. As a result, all the Internet information people crave currently need fiber optics to move the signals faster and more efficiently.
    Considerations

        In general, fiber optics cost from 1 to 5 percent more than standard copper wire. This cost factor is negated when compared to the amount of data one line of fiber optics can hold as opposed to copper wire.
    Interesting Fact

        Copper wire by nature is heavier than fiber optic. As a result, the lightweight aspect of fiber optic is helping keep underground electrical wiring channels from becoming too heavy or cumbersome.

Don't know when that was written. They really need to note the last time a page that can fluctuate like that is updated. There are lots of pages from years ago where fiber optics is out of sight price wise...

But as HowStuffWorks "How does a long distance call work article states:

Physical wires no longer connect the offices together for each phone call. That system was incredibly expensive. Instead, a fiber-optic line carries a digitized version of your voice (see How Analog and Digital Recording Works for a description). Your voice (along with thousands of others) becomes a stream of bytes flowing on a fiber-optic line between offices. The difference in cost between "a pair of copper wires carrying a single conversation" and "a single fiber carrying thousands and thousands of conversations" is phenomenal.

Lots of considerations...more bandwidth is needed for Internet transmissions than phone calls though...

[Urmas]

I saw a landline phone a couple of weeks ago. A rare sighting of an endangered species.  

The future of copper? Um... eh:






Raw data stolen from International Telecommunication Union (ITU)

[LilBambi]

Those are interesting.

We did away with our copper POTS telephone several years ago now. We couldn't afford the high cost of cellular, cellular 3g Internet and the wired phone line.

It just made economic sense. It's still way too expensive even without the wired phone line.

[V.T. Eric Layton]

I still have mine...



Umm... well... actually, I don't. I still have a hardwired landline phone like the one above, but I'm not on copper wire anymore these days. I'm in fiber optic cable (still have copper wire inside, though )