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#26 OFFLINE   V.T. Eric Layton

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:06 PM

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 03:35 AM

View PostCorrine, on Jul 16 2011, 07:14 PM, said:

Contrasting Google+ with Facebook, using my real name on Facebook was a choice I made. However, on Facebook, I have the option to select who can search for me, who can see and who can comment on the information I share there. That option is not available in Google+. As a result, I fully understand why, for purposes of protecting their privacy, people who want to participate in Google+ elect not to use their real name. In addition, many people are better known by their online persona."
I know this is from a while ago now, but I believe you can limit (to some extent) how much you can be found. At the bottom of the profile you can find the area called "search visibility". Clicking on it gives you a checkbox that says "Help others find my profile in search results." Unchecking it gives you more text: "Unchecking this box will prevent your profile from being indexed by most search engines." There's a link to learn more, that says this:

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If you choose not to have search engines index your profile, your profile itself won't appear in Google search results. However:-Your profile will still remain visible to anyone with your profile URL.-Other pages and content (including websites, blogs, and Google products such as Picasa Web) that link to your profile can still appear in search results on Google and other search engines.-Changes you make to your profile visibility setting may be reflected across search engines at different times, depending on when each search engine crawls your profile page. (Learn how often Google crawls  the web.)
So you become less public, but still public. But you can hide virtually all your profile information outside of your name. In fact I think you can set it all to be visible to "only you" (again, outside of your name)But at a certain point, why join a social network if you don't even want to be (even minimally) social?

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 07:47 AM

There are plenty of ways of being social without having your name searchable. It's not an antisocial thing to do.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:14 AM

I learned at another site how to change the Google+ name.  Adding it here in case someone else needs it at some point.In G+ click your name in the upper right toolbarfrom drop box 'Profile''Edit Profile' in top rightclick on your name under the red bar, here you can edit and save/cancel
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 12:55 PM

View PostLilBambi, on Jul 30 2011, 07:47 AM, said:

There are plenty of ways of being social without having your name searchable. It's not an antisocial thing to do.
I disagree, at least in the context of a social network. You're supposed to be connecting with people you know, and ideally (I suppose) make new friends/connections. If people are hiding their identities then what are you really gaining from the connection? I understand the desire to not wanting your name out there, for any number of reasons. But the solution is to not use G+ (or Facebook, or <Social Network X>), it isn't trying to force Google to change their policy*. You can use Twitter, for example, without anything close to a real name.*now, changing how they went about enforcing it? Absolutely. They handled it wrong, and seem to have at least taken steps to correct it.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 02:03 PM

I respect your opinion Neil, but I do disagree with it. I have plenty of friends, new and old on my profile, and grow my circles every day. I just do it a bit more slowly maybe. And that's not a bad thing.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 02:24 PM

I respectfully disagree with you also, Neil. In my life, I've experienced a great deal of social intercourse with folks whose real names I may never have known. Some examples... In the old 1970s Citizen's Band radio communities, we developed a lot of friendships with folks only knowing their "handles". In the biker community, which I've been a part for a goodly portion of my adult life, I have many, many friends with names like "Animal", "Slider", "Pink Lady", etc. More recently, in my online travels, I've developed meaningful relationships with folks from all over the world using only their online monikers. H3ll, I didn't even know your 1st name until recently. Has that ever kept us from communicating?What pseudonyms, nicknames, handles, etc. have always provided folks is a way to be selective about their own privacy and a way to be more selective about who they really want to associate with in a more intimate fashion. For example, I "met" Josh (Securitybreach) here at Scot's. I interacted with him pretty much as I have everyone else around here. Eventually though, Josh became one of those folks whom I chose to expose more of my private details to. In other words, he went from acquaintance to friend. I know Josh's home address. I know his real name. I know his phone number. He knows the same of me now. I've made that jump from acquaintance to friend with many people in all the varied communities I mention above. We all respect each other's privacy and continue on with our relationships. I give every new person whom I interact with in any community the benefit of the doubt. As time goes by, I may trust them more with more of my private details. I'm no fool, though. Choose your friends wisely; choose your enemies with even more discrimination.Regards, buddy! See you here and there...~Eric

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 03:24 PM

I understand your disagreement(s). It's nice to be able to discuss things without everyone getting angry, like so many internet forums devolve into. :)I think google has mis-handled this, but I think their motives are ok. Having your first and last name visible, to me, builds a sense of community. You know who you are talking to. I don't think it's a coincidence that many of us here also have our actual names visible--even though we all have screen names (and some of them with long histories, even). Just exposing a name, to me, doesn't kill your privacy (at least not in America--I know there is a certain value in oppressed peoples being able to use the internet and not have to fear retribution for speaking their mind). People can know my name--in most places I use the screen name "neilparis", which (surprise!) is my name. I do understand some the desire for some people, out of a want of privacy or even convenience (I know there are people more well known by their screen name than their actual name), to keep it to themselves. I think a compromise could be letting you choose a nickname to your profile, that gets displayed next to/under your actual name. Or at the very least on your hovercard. You can set other names and have them visible in your profile and searchable, but that's not the same thing.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 03:39 PM

Neil said:

I think google has mis-handled this...
Definitely can't disagree with you on this point. :(

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 04:07 PM

View Poststeeler_fan, on Jul 31 2011, 03:24 PM, said:

I think google has mis-handled this...

View PostV.T. Eric Layton, on Jul 31 2011, 03:39 PM, said:

Definitely can't disagree with you on this point. :(
Yes, for sure. Can't disagree with that either :DGreat dissertation Eric! And so true!!! That has been the case for many years now on HAM radios, CB Radios, in clubs, even among people who are often only known as a pseudonym. There is nothing wrong with that.And there really are some very good and not at all shady reasons for needing or wanting to be known as a pseudonym.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 04:38 PM

Oooh! I did a dissertation and didn't even know it. ;)

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 04:44 PM

View PostV.T. Eric Layton, on Jul 31 2011, 04:38 PM, said:

Oooh! I did a dissertation and didn't even know it. ;)
Well ... maybe not a dissertation/thesis, but hey it was as profound as one! ;)
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 07:07 PM

View Poststeeler_fan, on Jul 31 2011, 12:55 PM, said:

I disagree, at least in the context of a social network. You're supposed to be connecting with people you know, and ideally (I suppose) make new friends/connections.
The downside to that is that there are a whole lot of people whose "real" names I do not know.  There are also a lot of people who know me only as ChipDoc.  You might even be surprised at the number of people who call me Chip when we encounter one another in real life.How do I find these people in G+?  For all I know, you might actually be in one of my G+ circles, since I tend to add people who seem to have Linux connections.  This is actually why I use the same avatar everywhere - to give people a clue.I don't actually have a problem in providing my real name to G+, but the implementation was kludgy at best.  I have been hearing that they're improving it though, and that's the whole point of the Field Trial in any case.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 07:13 PM

View PostV.T. Eric Layton, on Jul 31 2011, 02:24 PM, said:

In my life, I've experienced a great deal of social intercourse with folks whose real names I may never have known. Some examples... In the old 1970s Citizen's Band radio communities, we developed a lot of friendships with folks only knowing their "handles". In the biker community, which I've been a part for a goodly portion of my adult life, I have many, many friends with names like "Animal", "Slider", "Pink Lady", etc. More recently, in my online travels, I've developed meaningful relationships with folks from all over the world using only their online monikers. H3ll, I didn't even know your 1st name until recently. Has that ever kept us from communicating?
Heck, I fell stone in love with CallaLily; I even gave her a ring on the steps of the Field Museum in Chicago.  To this day we call one another Calla and Chip.  It doesn't seem to have interfered with communication at all.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 08:41 PM

View PostChipDoc, on Jul 31 2011, 07:07 PM, said:

The downside to that is that there are a whole lot of people whose "real" names I do not know.  There are also a lot of people who know me only as ChipDoc.  You might even be surprised at the number of people who call me Chip when we encounter one another in real life.How do I find these people in G+?  For all I know, you might actually be in one of my G+ circles, since I tend to add people who seem to have Linux connections.  This is actually why I use the same avatar everywhere - to give people a clue.I don't actually have a problem in providing my real name to G+, but the implementation was kludgy at best.  I have been hearing that they're improving it though, and that's the whole point of the Field Trial in any case.
I do the same thing ChipDoc. Even though most people who know me by my screen name, amenditman, also know my real name. I use the same avatar everywhere. I AM the Tux Knight Templer! (debian swirl instead of a cross and sidux, may God rest it's soul, engraved in the sword)

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:17 PM

Exactly. I have had friends throughout my life where the only name we went by was a 'nickname' and never even worried about whether one knew their last name or their real name. Still in contact to this day to some of them.It's the people that are important, not what they are called.My Dad always had a cute thought on all of this stuff ... You can call me anything but late for dinner. ;)
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:20 PM

View PostLilBambi, on Jul 31 2011, 10:17 PM, said:

Exactly. I have had friends throughout my life where the only name we went by was a 'nickname' and never even worried about whether one knew their last name or their real name.
This reminds me of an amusing tidbit left over from my wedding day, lo these many years ago.  When we handed invitations to our friends at the university, the most common response was "Wow, so THAT'S what your last names are!"  ;)
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:21 PM

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 02:02 AM

I think that's a prime reason why other name and/or nickname should be prominently displayed. Or at the very least much more conspicuous in the profile. Most people I see either don't know about it or don't care to fill it out (which is effectively the same thing). Although I suppose it's possible to have lived your life on the internet and not have any kind of alias. It would be tough though.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:04 AM

the "real" first name, last name thing is sliding us to the single sign on internet security.on the one hand, vendors know it's you, and can trust that.on the other, so does big brother.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:41 PM

***UPDATE***

Google+ name policy updated to allow nicknames

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:46 PM

Engadget doesn't appear impressed:  Google + Nicknames = Hilarity.

I guess I forgot to post a link to Ben Edelman's article here.  

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This week Google announced Google Search Plus Your World ("Google Search Plus" for short). Reaction has been critical. Danny Sullivan says Google Search Plus "pushes Google+ over relevancy," and he offers compelling examples demonstrating this favored treatment. Meanwhile, EPIC executive director Marc Rotenberg argues that Google is "using its market dominance in a separate sector [search] ... to fight off its challenger Facebook" -- essentially, alleging that Google is tying Google+ to Google Search, forcing users to accept the former if they want the latter.

As Danny and Marc point out, Google is favoring its own ancillary services even when other destinations are objectively superior, and Google is using its dominance in search to compel users to accept Google's other offerings. But this problem is much bigger than Google Search Plus: Google has used similar tying tactics to push dozens of its products for years. I'm working on a detailed article with numerous examples plus relevant antitrust analysis. But with Google Search Plus prompting so much interest, I wanted to flag other areas where Google has invoked these tactics.


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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:15 PM

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Google's so desperate for the boys to come to its yard that it won't be long before it buys a milkshake factory.

that's a hilarious reference to a female, um, rapper, kelis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzSgz3R8oso - and where does her, um, milk shake, exactly? lol
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 04:30 PM

Gotta love Engadget's take on it! hysterical.gif

And Ben Edelman did his usual great job on that article!  thumbsup.gif
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