saturnian Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 When I saw this week's poll at DistroWatch, I immediately thought of some of the discussions here. I put in a vote for "I dual boot," but now I'm not so sure what they were really asking with that poll question. I run only Linux, and I have some dual- or multi-boot setups. Seems that there are far too many times when I pass on voting in those polls because either the questions are poorly worded or there's no voting option that seems to fit my situation. Anyway, here's a link: https://www.distrowa...ue=current#poll Some interesting posts in the comments section there, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Meh, I use virtual machines as my machines are powerful enough that there is no need to dual boot for anything. That and I haven't used window's applications outside of work in over a decade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I voted "dual boot". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I would have voted for VMs but in actual fact I have enough machines in the museum to just run Linux or Windows on each one. I have only one VM where I run Ubuntu as a guest on Windows 10. My Linux machines run Mint, Debian, MX Linux and Arch on the rails. I have never been a fan of multibooting and VMs are okay for a trial but they can't give you the Full Monty. OK maybe KVM can do that but I mostly want VMs for Windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I would have voted for VMs but in actual fact I have enough machines in the museum to just run Linux or Windows on each one. I have only one VM where I run Ubuntu as a guest on Windows 10. My Linux machines run Mint, Debian, MX Linux and Arch on the rails. I have never been a fan of multibooting and VMs are okay for a trial but they can't give you the Full Monty. OK maybe KVM can do that but I mostly want VMs for Windows. You just have to give the machines enough cpu cores and ram, then they will run like on normal hardware. For instance, I will give a window's vm 8-16gb of ram and 4 cores while a linux distro generally only needs 4-8gb of ram and 2 cores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon James Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'm a VMer too. I typically provide 2 cores, and 4GB RAM, as this is a "typical" hardware arrangement for many/most consumer machines. A dual core CPU with 4GB RAM...if a distro runs well on that config, it only gets better on a more powerful machine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) I still have three computers that have only 2GB RAM, and those are the ones that I'm dual- or multi-booting with. And, again, no Windows involved here. One of my main reasons for running Linux is to be able to get life out of machines like that, ones somebody else didn't want, used or maybe off the clearance shelf, very inexpensive or (in a couple of cases) free, that sort of thing. So I think that "live" sessions and dual- or multi-booting are preferable to a VM in my case. Years back, I did dual-boot Windows and Linux for awhile, though. However, then I decided to keep those on separate computers. Not long after that, I actually gave away my Windows computer, and that was the end of that. Edited April 23, 2018 by saturnian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Dual-Booter here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 "Dual boot"? Where's the option for "I boot 5 OS on my computer"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 "Dual boot"? Where's the option for "I boot 5 OS on my computer"? Quadruple boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 With these DW polls, I generally don't pay much attention to the poll results -- especially because too often there's no voting choice that suits me -- but I like to check out the comments that the polls generate. Some interesting comments this week. Lots of different ways of doing things, and for lots of different reasons. While I sometimes run Linux "live" from flash drives, I hadn't thought much about installing to an SD card, or to microSD -- a few posters mentioned doing that. Might look into something like that for this one problematic notebook I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 "Dual boot"? Where's the option for "I boot 5 OS on my computer"? You reminded me that I have triple booted on my main pc. Albeeit with a Live usb os that was running REfind as its boot loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 HA! I remember the days when I was booting 18 or so Linux operating systems and one Windows on my system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. J Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) I'm a VM guy too... My three laptops all have a single Linux distro installed on bare metal, while my main work laptop also has Windows 10 in Virtualbox since I do need it maybe twice a year... At least with a VM I can backup the entire virtual hard disk to an external drive, and just nuke the darn thing from orbit if it starts to misbehave. Edited April 26, 2018 by Dr. J 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon James Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I'm a VM guy too... My three laptops all have a single Linux distro installed on bare metal, while my main work laptop also has Windows 10 in Virtualbox since I do need it maybe twice a year... At least with a VM I can backup the entire virtual hard disk to an external drive, and just nuke the darn thing from orbit if it starts to misbehave. I setup my daughter's college laptop this way, with Win7. She's pretty tech-savvy, but something got corrupted during a required installation of Adobe CS during her freshman year; the Win7 VM would boot, but then just froze in place. It would have been very frustrating to troubleshoot and/or repair. Fortunately, we had a Win7 VM on her backup drive (yay, LuckyBackups!). We nuked her corrupted VM, copied over the backup VM, and booted into her freshly re-installed Win7 VM in about 15 minutes...and about 13-14 of those minutes were just waiting for the computer to finish its copy/paste sequence. How many troubleshooting/repairing hours did we save? MANY! The time spent on the initial setup of that VM, and creation of a backup VM, paid off many times over in that scenario! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I'm a VM guy too... My three laptops all have a single Linux distro installed on bare metal, while my main work laptop also has Windows 10 in Virtualbox since I do need it maybe twice a year... At least with a VM I can backup the entire virtual hard disk to an external drive, and just nuke the darn thing from orbit if it starts to misbehave. I setup my daughter's college laptop this way, with Win7. She's pretty tech-savvy, but something got corrupted during a required installation of Adobe CS during her freshman year; the Win7 VM would boot, but then just froze in place. It would have been very frustrating to troubleshoot and/or repair. Fortunately, we had a Win7 VM on her backup drive (yay, LuckyBackups!). We nuked her corrupted VM, copied over the backup VM, and booted into her freshly re-installed Win7 VM in about 15 minutes...and about 13-14 of those minutes were just waiting for the computer to finish its copy/paste sequence. How many troubleshooting/repairing hours did we save? MANY! The time spent on the initial setup of that VM, and creation of a backup VM, paid off many times over in that scenario! Very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I wouldn't mind setting up a Windows VM but I don't have a freestanding Windows 10 license - not even Windows 7. All I have is the OEM versions running on a couple of machines. Of course, I have some old ex-Windows machines which probably have Windows 7 OEM licenses but I don't want to set one of those up on a Linux VM that didn't run Windows originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I wouldn't mind setting up a Windows VM but I don't have a freestanding Windows 10 license - not even Windows 7. All I have is the OEM versions running on a couple of machines. Of course, I have some old ex-Windows machines which probably have Windows 7 OEM licenses but I don't want to set one of those up on a Linux VM that didn't run Windows originally. BTW, the windows 7 key will activate Windows 10 and you can get the Win10 ISO straight from microsoft.com for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Wish I had a good Win 7 key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 OK I did try it. Downloaded the Windows 10 ISO, and the old Windows 7 key did work to activate it in VirtualBox. Adding in the Guest Additions was very easy so I have a full screen. I doubt I will use it much though. You still have all the same security issues and I much prefer Linux on this machine. Proof of concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 OK I did try it. Downloaded the Windows 10 ISO, and the old Windows 7 key did work to activate it in VirtualBox. Adding in the Guest Additions was very easy so I have a full screen. I doubt I will use it much though. You still have all the same security issues and I much prefer Linux on this machine. Proof of concept. Which version of 10 did you download as it works fine with the Windows 10 Insider Previews: https://www.microsof...siderpreviewiso You just need an account. It's free if you do not have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon James Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 OK I did try it. Downloaded the Windows 10 ISO, and the old Windows 7 key did work to activate it in VirtualBox. Adding in the Guest Additions was very easy so I have a full screen. I doubt I will use it much though. You still have all the same security issues and I much prefer Linux on this machine. Proof of concept. Agreed. But backup that VM and if there's ever a corruption, you can restore the VM faster than you can troubleshoot and repair, FWIW. I MUCH prefer Linux, but there are times when I simply must use a Windows program...I don't have a choice. (for instance, Quickbooks Pro, at the insistence of my accountant). It's kinda nice to click on a VM icon, just like any other software program, and have QB Pro pop open in seamless mode, as if it was a native program. Best of both worlds, IMO, with very little additional downside. FWIW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) OK I did try it. Downloaded the Windows 10 ISO, and the old Windows 7 key did work to activate it in VirtualBox. Adding in the Guest Additions was very easy so I have a full screen. I doubt I will use it much though. You still have all the same security issues and I much prefer Linux on this machine. Proof of concept. Which version of 10 did you download as it works fine with the Windows 10 Insider Previews: https://www.microsof...siderpreviewiso You just need an account. It's free if you do not have one. I just downloaded Windows 10 Home from Microsoft servers. The old PC which had Windows 7 originally was the home edition. This download tool works great. https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-iso-download-tool Edited April 28, 2018 by raymac46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymac46 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 So many people in my neighborhood run Windows that I feel rather obligated to have a copy running on the rails. I only support Windows 10 now. So now I have a Windows host with a Linux guest and a Linux host with a Windows guest. That covers most of the bases I suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Set up an all-Linux dual-boot on a UEFI/GPT system, my first time doing this instead of with MBR, adding Kubuntu 18.04 on a computer that was already running Stretch. I was able to install Kubuntu without installing grub by booting into the live session (clicking on the "Try Kubuntu" button), opening up a terminal, and running ubiquity --no-bootloader. With that option, the installer doesn't install the boot loader. In Stretch, I created /etc/grub.d/11_kubuntu_sda5_custom: #!/bin/sh -e echo "Adding Kubuntu on sda5" cat << EOF menuentry "Kubuntu 18.04 (on /dev/sda5)" --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os { set root=(hd0,gpt5) linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro initrd /initrd.img } EOF Made the file executable, made 30_os-prober non-executable, ran update-grub, rebooted. This actually worked (yes, I was kinda surprised that it worked!). Old dogs really can learn new tricks, sometimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 In Stretch you should be able to just run update-grub and it will automatically find your new installation and add it. I usually install GRUB to the partition of the new installation with the installer but I'm not sure if that's strictly necessary. Works for me and I've done quite a few new installs that way. No need to manually add it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yeah, I've done things this way before, if the distro's installer has a way to not install the boot loader. I added the custom entry in /etc/grub.d so that I don't have to go back to Stretch and run update-grub whenever Kubuntu gets a kernel update. https://help.ubuntu....stomGrub2Screen https://ubuntuforums...highlight=grub2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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