jolphil Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Hi All, This is not so much as an issue as a big pain in the neck..I installed Mint 17 for some of the family and friends as a single user home desktop. Not a Laptop on WiFi where it is taken to various locations. To make Linux as user friendly as possible for new user I enabled auto log on. Once it is set up and in operation,it works just fine ...But as time goes on and it goes into sleep mode, or a later update, and you have to re-log on with the password. The password and keys dialog bugs you to reset it. Yes, I know you can change the log on screen to unlock the passwords and that does work but only until the system requires another logon. I guess my question is why have an auto logon at all if Gnome is going to make this a hassle to the user to retype the password again and again. I goggled this same situation and it seems many many people are complaining about it. End of Rant jolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I am not really for sure what you are describing. Do you mean that the login manager is asking you to reset the password. or what? Also, I can understand autologging in but if they have used windows before, they shouldn't really have a problem inputting a password or clicking on a user. If I were you, I would simply disable sleep as a desktop machine doesn't really need that function anyway. The again, you could simply set the user password to blank so all they would have to do is click the user. I know that is horrid security but if your automatically logging in the user, it shouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolphil Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Hi SB, Here is what I complained about https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=annoying+passwords+and+keys+in+Linux Most X windrows users I know don't have multiple users nor use a password log on.I am not arguing that they should but that's the reality. I do shut off the sleep function but no matter what, the unlock Passwords and keyrings always shows up sooner or later.What I do is to change passwords and leave the next two blank but still it will come up again to unlock it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Should be easy enough to fix: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/916 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon James Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 why not have folks login as "guest", with no password? this has added measure of security benefits, as they CANNOT make changes to the system AND their entire session is wiped clean once done, similar to a kiosk mode. Is this a realistic solution for your issue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolphil Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Hi HJ, To be honest I never though about that. I wil look into it Thank you Edited March 17, 2015 by jolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolphil Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Edit, After thinking about this, I do think that the users should be able to make changes and security updates etc. They need to be able to take reasonable care of their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Edit, After thinking about this, I do think that the users should be able to make changes and security updates etc. They need to be able to take reasonable care of their system. Well if you want to let them do updates and such, they will need the root/sudo password. Then if you gave them an easy or blank root/sudo password, you may as well not have any security at all. Is the initial issue that you do not want them to access root (they might mess something up) or that you do not think they would be able to remember a password? The reason I ask is because you could setup sudo access to only let the user update and every other administrative function is blocked. Of course, you could always setup ssh and do the updates for them remotely.... On the other hand, it is very easy to explain and I am sure they could do it..... "When you want to use the computer, click on your picture(username in the login manager) and type your password(or none at all)." Then have one user with sudo rights to run updates(someone who can remember a root/sudo password when the updates need it) or just have it update automatically. Most of the time, a user can do 98% of the stuff they want to do without a root password. You only need root/sudo access if you are changing something system-wide or updating/installing packages. They can then customize their entire setup with each user having their own background, widget, icons, themes, etc. It is better to setup user security properly so they can do what they want to do, rather than have poor security. Luckily, most distros allow you manage user access graphically so it is a bit easier for everyone to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolphil Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Then if you gave them an easy or blank root/sudo password, you may as well not have any security at all. That is not the problem here. Let me see if I can give a better explanation. I do want the user to have the sudo password . The user even picked what the password it is, and he/she wrote it down in case needed later(on my urging)..I am not worried about the user trying to do some system modification.Most of the time the user only goes online to read facebook or write E-mails, watch u tube videos , and would not think of anything different.Heck, none of my friends even know how or want to install updates or applications. They are not computer geeks. The problem is when they go online to websites via FF or Chrome they pretty much visit everyday the password and Key for whatever reason failed to unlock. The choice is to ignore it or quit online..Sooner or later they want me to get rid of Linux altogether. Even when you have to logon to get into the session, it will show up again and again. Auto logon is even more a mess, so if you go online the unlock seems to be even more annoying by poping up again and again . If you do a workaround by the Password&key dialog and change the password and leave the last two blank so as to allow un-encrypted passwords, it will still pop up again on another online link sooner or later after the computer is rebooted or went to sleep, so that is no fix. This is not on just my systems but seems to be a Gnome (cinnamon/Mate)thing.I don't recall it in Xfce or KDE but I could be wrong here. BTW this is not just me annoyed, it has been discussed over and over, here is a link of folks annoyed too. I guess the burning question is why does it fail to unlock when it has all the information it needs? https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how%20to%20remove%20the%20annoying%20password%20and%20key%20in%20linux I hope the link came out.. I don't remember through the years of linux use of SuSe,Mandrake/Mandriva, this ever was a problem until recently .. Thanks all for your thoughts and suggestions. jolphil I am strictly talking about home desktop use not servers or enterprise machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I gave you a link to get rid of the keyring on reply #4. From the link: When we configure our account for login automatically, when booting we will be asked for our password for unlock the login keyring. If nobody else use your computer, this is useless, but it's really easy to remove:.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolphil Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Hi SB, I wish I had a dollar for every time I unlocked it via that method..What they don't tell you is that it may work for that session only but in a couple of re-boots later it will have to be done again..That is why I am so frustrated..It should stay unlocked unless you change it. I thank you for all the time and effort you and Hedon have tried to help. Jolphil Later Edit: If you dis-able the auto logon and the time delay and you log on for each session, then you are not bothered to unlock the password and keys dialog box... So far so good.. Edited March 21, 2015 by jolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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