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#76 OFFLINE   abarbarian

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 04:47 PM

Well your purist approach just don't work with E17. Not on my pc anyway.I uninstalled "e-svn" and "e-modules-extra-svn" and "slim" with "pacman -Rns -------" Rebooted  and installed the two E17 packages and I can not log in as USER. If I try I get sent to a black page with three windows with a command line prompt in each one. If I type "exit" at the cl in each window it disappeares and eventualy I am left with a black screen. No combination of Ctrl+Alt+anything or Ctrl+ anything or Alt+anything does anything, (thats a lot of anythings ain't it) so I have to force a shutdown with the power switch. Looks to me like E17 has more bugs in it than an ants nest or I am missing something. Can not see what and I have fine toothcombed the wikis and the net to no avail. :wacko:
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 05:05 PM

Well I just installed E17 and it started fine with the regular user. So it has to be a configuration issue. You could try deleting the Enlightenment files since the problem is with the normal user and not root:
rm -rf  ~/.e/
Make sure you do that as user and not as root. Once you start E17 again, the configuration files will be recreated. Even after you uninstall E17, the configuration files do not get deleted. Did you use an old /home partition? The reason I am asking is because the problem may be left over hidden files from another installation. That would cause login problems.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 05:08 PM

Also,

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As e17 is still alpha software you are encouraged to keep packages of the previous version on your computer, allowing you to downgrade if needed.
https://wiki.archlin...to_Entrance_.3FSo E17 has not even reached beta yet.

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E17 has not yet been released, and is not considered to be in a finished state. This means that although large parts of E17 are working, and currently stable, there is more work to be done. The development process used for E17, and most other open source projects that have yet to be released, means that there is no point in time where a stable, fully working, version can be delivered.
http://trac.enlighte....org/e/wiki/FAQBut that still does not explain why you cannot login as regular user. Like I said, it works fine here so it has to be a configuration issue.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 07:33 PM

View Postsecuritybreach, on Jan 24 2011, 05:05 PM, said:

Well I just installed E17 and it started fine with the regular user. So it has to be a configuration issue. You could try deleting the Enlightenment files since the problem is with the normal user and not root:
rm -rf  ~/.e/
Make sure you do that as user and not as root. Once you start E17 again, the configuration files will be recreated. Even after you uninstall E17, the configuration files do not get deleted. Did you use an old /home partition? The reason I am asking is because the problem may be left over hidden files from another installation. That would cause login problems.
Brand new diskI switched of and logged in as USER and tried your tip.Then tried to startx------failedI switched of and logged in as USER and tried just "enlightenment" message came up "Enlightenment cannot initialize its X connection. Have you set your DISPLAY variable." --------failI switched of and logged in as root ------------- hurray ! Big deal.In my USER folder there is no ".e" anything and I have show hidden stuff. There is a folder called ".cache" inside a folder called "efreet". I deleted the efreet folder shutdown and started agian and the folder had respawned.You will find some up to date info on E17 here, second link is very interesting.http://forums.scotsn...showtopic=42331 :wacko:
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 08:06 PM

Ok something is definetly wrong with your Enlightement installation. Your directory should look like this:
╔═ comhack@Cerberus 09:59 PM ╚═══ ~-> ls .e/e/applications  config   fonts  images		 locale   themesbackgrounds   fileman  icons  input_methods  modules
That is why you cannot log into Enlightenment as a regular user. This is confusing the heck out of me, I will find an answer for you.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 08:09 PM

Even the wiki says:

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TroubleshootingIf you find some unexpected behavior, there are a few things you can do:try to see if the same behavior exists with the default themebackup ~/.e and remove it (e.g. mv ~/.e ~/.e.back).If you are sure you found a bug please report it directly upstream.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 08:15 PM

View Postabarbarian, on Jan 24 2011, 06:33 PM, said:

I switched of and logged in as USER and tried just "enlightenment" message came up "Enlightenment cannot initialize its X connection. Have you set your DISPLAY variable." --------fail
Try typing in
exec enlightenment_start
to manually start it. Also, that line should be in your ~/.xinitrc file. Check your root's .xinitrc and compare it to your user's ~/.xinitrc:Log in as root and:
# cat ~/.xinitrc
Same as for the regular user:
cat ~/.xinitrc
Look at the two files and see what is different.Another way is to login as root and:
diff /root/.xinitrc /home/username/.xinitrc
Note: change username to your username
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 09:10 PM

Many thanks for your time.Since I reinstalled I have lost xterm from the menu. It came back after a reboot. An now it has just gone again. I have also got a cocked up smplayer so can not play me vids.That was the last straw. I have a dead car that will cost 1,000 to fix and needed cheering up. Bye by E 17.Hello Flubox, IceWM or Openbox with I think Rox.I'll give that,
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a try as a farewell effort.At least me problem galvanised you into trying E out. I recon it certainly has loads of potential but is a bit too buggy for a freshman like me to deal with. I'll keep an eye on its progress.I'll also give your other tips a go tommorow. :wacko:
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 09:31 PM

Yeah, E17 is a bit too buggy for my tastes. Well let us know which DE you decide to use.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:47 AM

Well I did[quote]Another way is to login as root and:CODEdiff /root/.xinitrc /home/username/.xinitrc/[quote]an there were no" /home/username/.xinitrc/" so I made one rebooted and wahayyyyyyy I have log in as USER and an E17 desktop.But no icons for programs and no xterm.  :wacko: Still it is progress  B) Might just keep with it for a while. :lol:
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:34 AM

Kewl, I thought you listed your ~/.xinitrc but that may have been the root one you posted. Either way, at least there is some progress.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 10:08 AM

Ta fer the help again I don't want to be a help vampire an I realise that I have probably jumped in at the deep end with Arch and E17 but thats how barbarians are.  :) I also realise that I have some very big gaps in me knowledge concerning basic GNU/Linux operation but hey if you don't jump in you'll never learn.  :thumbsup: I'm of to resurect the dead car which is not costing as much as feared so that has cheered me up a tiny tad, still spensive but at least it will live again.I'm going to stick with E as I have done so much reading about it and can not face reading up on yet another set of programs. :rolleyes: Funny I now have now features in USER E than I had in ROOT E but I have lost some also. Thie is turning iut to be some rollercoaster of a ride. I must say that E is fast and I really like some of the modules and gadgets. Will I stay the course only time will tell.  :lol: One last basic Q.I start the pc and I get a command prompt from there I can go ROOT or USER. IF I go root how do I become USER without rebooting?ie.  [root@myhost ~] via the command line to [USER@myhost]is that possible ?I know that to go from [USER@myhost] you just use the "su" then password but can you go the other way? B)
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:18 PM

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Ta fer the help again I don't want to be a help vampire an I realise that I have probably jumped in at the deep end with Arch and E17 but thats how barbarians are.  :)
It's how we all start out on our exciting adventures, pretty soon you will be 'the' expert on E17 and we'll all be asking you for help. Best way to learn is to jump in both feet into the deep end.

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I also realise that I have some very big gaps in me knowledge concerning basic GNU/Linux operation but hey if you don't jump in you'll never learn.  :thumbsup:
Following this thread, I'd say your gaps are narrowing quickly. You're in the thick of it.

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I'm of to resurect the dead car which is not costing as much as feared so that has cheered me up a tiny tad, still spensive but at least it will live again.
Great news, but pretty soon we won't need those old things. We'll just have our entire lives online from our virtual reality chairs.

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I'm going to stick with E as I have done so much reading about it and can not face reading up on yet another set of programs. :rolleyes:
Wow, that's a relief. I was hoping to explore E sometime and really appreciate help from someone who has been thru the learning curve.

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Will I stay the course only time will tell.  :lol:
Ladies and gentlemen, here we have a true GNU/Linux fanatic, addicted to distro hopping and all.

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One last basic Q.I start the pc and I get a command prompt from there I can go ROOT or USER. IF I go root how do I become USER without rebooting?ie.  [root@myhost ~] via the command line to [USER@myhost]is that possible ?I know that to go from [USER@myhost] you just use the "su" then password but can you go the other way? B)
You can 'su' from any user to any other user, including 'root', as long as you know the user password. You can also type 'exit' at the command line and you will be logged out, you can then log in as another user without rebooting the computer.Fun

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:44 PM

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You can 'su' from any user to any other user, including 'root', as long as you know the user password. You can also type 'exit' at the command line and you will be logged out, you can then log in as another user without rebooting the computer.
So this is wrong
[root@myhost ~]# su[root@myhost ~]#
An this is right and I end up in USER root folder ------ or is it USER superroot folder ? I would just like to point out that I was not asked for a password and kicked straight to USER.
[root@myhost ~]# su USER[USER@myhost root]$
I ask because if I do below I end up in my USER /home folder --- Yes
[USER@myhost root]$ cd homebash: cd: home: Permission denied[USER@myhost root]$ cd /home/USER[USER@myhost ~]$
So because I am in USER's /home folder I can not transfer TB as I need root permisions, so I "exit" and them able to do so------Yes
[USER@myhost ~]$ cp -R /root/TrinityBlood /home/USERcp: cannot stat `/root/TrinityBlood': Permission denied[USER@myhost ~]$ exitexit[root@myhost ~]# cp -R /root/TrinityBlood /home/USER[root@myhost ~]#

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Wow, that's a relief. I was hoping to explore E sometime and really appreciate help from someone who has been thru the learning curve.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 06:42 PM

View Postabarbarian, on Jan 25 2011, 03:44 PM, said:

You will need to spend at least 10 years in a Buddhist mountain retreat before you can attempt to gain knowledge of enlightenment   :hysterical: I spent time here to gain my enlightenment, shhhhh do not tell the other barbarians or I'll get laughed out of town.   :hysterical: did you you get my pm about TB ? :hysterical:
Does time spent meditating waiting for Windows to reboot after every system change count towards the ten years?If so, I have reached enlightenment several times over.We don't have a lot of contact with the other barbarians, your secret's safe with us.Yes I did get the PM. I really don't do a lot of videos, unless they are about tech.My previous comment,

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For something called "Trinity Blood" I'd come fix your Arch install for you.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 07:00 PM

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Does time spent meditating waiting for Windows to reboot after every system change count towards the ten years?If so, I have reached enlightenment several times over.
Buddah in waiting   :hysterical:

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Yes I did get the PM. I really don't do a lot of videos, unless they are about tech.
:hysterical: I thought you might be a fan.   :hysterical:
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 07:13 AM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 24 January 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

Yeah, E17 is a bit too buggy for my tastes. Well let us know which DE you decide to use.

Taken me some time to reply but I decided to use WINDOWMAKER. :Laughing:

Was looking for some information that I thought might be in an old post and came across this thread which looks like it is all about my first try at an Arch install.
Seems I have not progressed much in the last seven years. I may have more knowledge about linux in general and can even use a few command line instructions from memory.
However I still have a crippled Arch install with a buggy window manager. :hysterical:

The story continues.

I have been using Arch as my main os since this thread started, I do gaming on a Windows 7 which I have as a dual boot. However if a game works on linux I play it from my Arch install.
At present my Arch is slightly borked due to me fiddling around with my bootloader "refind" . Despite managing to chroot into Arch via a Arch usb/.iso and reinstalling refind I could not boot up. Almost giving up and deciding to do a fresh install I remembered that you could set up refind to run from a usb. This I did and whoopeee I booted into my beloved Arch.
All I needed to do now was a quick update a reinstall of refind and away I would sail into the vastness of the world wide web. :whistling:  Bear in mind that my Arch had been down for around three months. I was rather taken aback by the amount of updates needed.

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What is a few MB's between friends I thought and carried on with the update. Which :w00tx100: went rather well. Everything seemed to work just fine. Refind installed seemingly ok. Time for a reboot.
Surprise surprise I could not boot from my Arch install. Back to the refind/usb method, which worked, phewww that was a relief. I do not use a log in manager thingy, just log in from the cli and startx.
Hey up what the heck startx not working. Some message about a missing ".so" file, maybee that mega update had a small glitch. Lets try a "Syu", nope not fixed. Lets try reinstalling windowmaker, what pacman can not find windowmaker, hmmmmm. Oh wait on windowmaker has been kicked out and is now in the AUR :(. Hmm reinstalling did not seem to solve the problem. Looking at the AUR page it seems there is a problem with the package. Darn I can not research and fix that from a command prompt with no GUI. What to do ?
So I installed ICEWM, maybe I should have gone with flubox. Anyways here I am back in Arch, booting from a refind/usb and using icewm instead of windowmaker. Looks like I have made tons of progress since my first post :Muahaha: :breakfast:
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 10:03 AM

So why did you decide to go with rEFInd? Why not go with Grub or systemd-boot? I have found both to be a lot easier to set up and use than rEFInd. Personally I use systemd-boot on most of my machines, except for my main one which has grub.
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 11:18 AM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 11 March 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

So why did you decide to go with rEFInd? Why not go with Grub or systemd-boot? I have found both to be a lot easier to set up and use than rEFInd. Personally I use systemd-boot on most of my machines, except for my main one which has grub.

Grub is so so yesterday and I wanted to move with the times. I did not want to use systemd as there is tons of systemd stuff in use already, don't keep all your eggs in one basket sort of thing.
I tried some Live CD os, can not remember which one that used rEFind, to do some rescue work and it found my Arch and Windows and displayed them really neatly aswell as the Live CD offerings. That impressed me as it was slick and cool and worked well.
Really rEFind was not hard to set up, once I had read and understood the documentation. No more difficult than any other program. I only had to make a small tweak to a config file to get a working solution.
Unfortunately I seem to have had some set up problems with rEFind, some of which I have solved and in the main it was working ok. However my attempts to make it work even better have resulted in more glitches.
Still I have found that you can have a rEFind rescue usb and it worked for me so I am making some progress. I am a bit puzzled as to why uninstalling and reinstalling rEFind did not work. Guess I'll just have to keep on playing and learning.

In the interim I now have WindowMaker back in action. I had to use an earlier version that I had in pacmans cache. This is not ideal but at least I have a desktop I am familiar with to work with. As I temporary measure I guess I can use the do not update this program in the pacman config to keep it running till I find the solution to what is stopping the latest AUR offering from working.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 11:27 AM

Well, clearly it doesn't work well as you are having to use a usb stick to boot. If you are satisfied, go right ahead.
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View Postsecuritybreach, on 11 March 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

Well, clearly it doesn't work well as you are having to use a usb stick to boot. If you are satisfied, go right ahead.

Progress has been made. For a lazy chap like me the easy route would be to use something else rather than rEFind. There is the barbarian factor at play here though, I do not like to be beaten.
I uninstalled rEFind but loads of stuff was left behind. Deleting all this crud meant typing loads and loads as I have not set up to delete root stuff via a gui. I dug in and wore me fingers to the bone deleting left right and centre. Did a fresh install and rEFind shows up a couple of seconds after I press the power switch and gives me a choice of os and boots. Luverly and smooth using this "refind_linux.conf"

"Boot with standard options"  "ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4"
"Boot to single-user mode"	"ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4 single"
"Boot with minimal options"   "ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4"

However I have a intel cpu so need them pesky microcode things so have altered my "refind_linux.conf" to ,

"Boot with standard options"  "ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4  initrd=/intel-ucode.img initrd=/initramfs-linux.img"
"Boot to single-user mode"	"ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4 single"
"Boot with minimal options"   "ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4"

That also boots luverly. There I will leave it for the moment as I do not want to bork it up again. I am almost sure that the first line is set up correctly and it will update any microcode stuff as and when needed automatically. That is the same instruction I used before and I did test to make sure microcode updates were added automatically.
It would be nice if I could find someone with experience who would be able to tell me if I am right though. Also I would like to change line two to use the fallback image but that is for another day as tea is calling.

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It ain't half nice to be back home again even with all the gremlin bashing :good2:
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Posted 24 March 2018 - 10:53 AM

Sorry, I didn't see your reply but I do not I have any experience with reFIND. It's nice that you fixed the boot issue though. :thumbup:
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