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#1 OFFLINE   raymac46

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 10:08 AM

My wife has a friend who is only slightly more computer literate than Lillian - and only because she actually realizes she knows nothing about computers.
Anyway she has a Windows 8.1 laptop that decided to upgrade itself to Windows 10 today. Shari pushed the Cancel Download button but the upgrade pushed on and is installing now.
I just hope trying to cancel things won't corrupt the O/S to the point where I can't fix it. I told her to leave things alone and I'll set it up later so she won't know the difference from what she's using now  i.e. Get rid of Cortana and install an upgrade to Classic Shell.
Windows 10 - the new malware coming to your PC any day now.

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 10:57 AM

Depending on how privacy conscious she is, you may want to also consider something like "shutup10"  or equivalent, to limit or stop information being sent to MS. https://www.oo-softw...com/en/shutup10

BTW: There's a setting in "Classic Shell" that allows you to access the Windows 10 start menu via "middle click". Sometimes that can give quicker access to frequently used programs than the traditional menus. For less frequently used programs, the traditional menu is probably more convenient.

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 11:57 AM

The upgrade installed OK and I banished Cortana, installed a new version of Classic Shell. Everything looks the same as before.
She is probably better off with Windows 10 than Windows 8 but I still don't like the way Microsoft is handling the upgrades.
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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:26 PM

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She is probably better off with Windows 10 than Windows 8 but I still don't like the way Microsoft is handling the upgrades.
:thumbsdown: No, that stinks.

I haven't seen this on my mother's win7 laptop yet, but I was careful about the updates I installed back in the fall when this issue was heating up. Her WU is set to notify only, which it no longer seems to do, but at least I haven't been presented with any win10 installs yet when I get the list of updates.

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 03:02 PM

I believe she has the machine's Windows Update option set to Automatic Updates. I don't see it often enough to install updates as needed, and I'm afraid she'd miss some necessary security stuff. That still doesn't excuse a stealth operating system update - which is not necessary, much as Microsoft may think it is.
I expect to get a few more calls this week where these bully boy tactics have taken place. This can't be good for Microsoft's customer relations.
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Posted 01 May 2016 - 03:17 PM

View Postraymac46, on 01 May 2016 - 03:02 PM, said:

I expect to get a few more calls this week where these bully boy tactics have taken place. This can't be good for Microsoft's customer relations.
I'd imagine not, but then again, the people affected are pretty much without other alternatives. :'(
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Posted 02 May 2016 - 07:06 PM

I have successfully installed GWX Control Panel and got rid of all Windows 10 stuff even as late as after Windows 10 was accidentally scheduled but not installed as yet on Windows 7:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
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Posted 02 May 2016 - 09:20 PM

View PostLilBambi, on 02 May 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

I have successfully installed GWX Control Panel and got rid of all Windows 10 stuff even as late as after Windows 10 was accidentally scheduled but not installed as yet on Windows 7:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

I'll keep it in my toolbox just in case someone I know does not want to get strongarmed into Windows 10.
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Posted 03 May 2016 - 06:49 PM

Most folks are happy with Windows 10 once they get used to it, but others prefer their Windows 7.
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Posted 03 May 2016 - 07:11 PM

I have Windows 10 installed and I don't mind it. Mind you I can always escape to Linux, as I am doing now.
Since some of my "clients" have also upgraded and others bought new PCs with Windows 10 I thought it best to upgrade myself for support. It's been a good thing since some Windows 7 folks have had trouble with a too small boot partition and I was able to fix it for them.
One thing I don't like aside from the coercion to upgrade is the nag screens you get for Windows One Drive (which I have turned off and hidden.) Microsoft won't allow you to uninstall One Drive if you have Windows 10.
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Posted 03 May 2016 - 07:51 PM

View Postraymac46, on 02 May 2016 - 09:20 PM, said:

View PostLilBambi, on 02 May 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

I have successfully installed GWX Control Panel and got rid of all Windows 10 stuff even as late as after Windows 10 was accidentally scheduled but not installed as yet on Windows 7:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

I'll keep it in my toolbox just in case someone I know does not want to get strongarmed into Windows 10.
That's what I was thinking. I want to leave my mother on win7--I'm pretty sure this will be her last computer (she's 88), and I don't want to change anything that doesn't absolutely have to be changed. I bought this laptop for her 2 years ago at the tail-end of win7 availability feeling that MS was going to be faithful to their win 7 life cycle and would provide security patches until 2020--I hope I wasn't wrong.
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Posted 04 May 2016 - 07:05 PM

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 07:19 PM

A friend of mine got an old Dell Optiplex GX240 from his daughter's office junkpile a few years ago. I upgraded it to Linux and never heard from him for months at a time - unless he needed an update or a new package.
Then his wife bought him a new 24 inch monitor for Christmas. The old Optiplex couldn't handle the video any longer. He ended up buying a Windows 10 desktop and recycling the Optiplex. Now I get a support call every week. Sigh.... :'(
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Posted 10 May 2016 - 06:18 PM

View PostLilBambi, on 02 May 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

I have successfully installed GWX Control Panel and got rid of all Windows 10 stuff even as late as after Windows 10 was accidentally scheduled but not installed as yet on Windows 7:

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

Great tip.

I used it to obtain all the updates needed for a fresh Windows 7 install I did a couple of days a go. The W7 update tool refused to work properly, a common problem at the moment. The tool ramps up the cpu to 60 % and above and looks like it is running but it just keeps screaming away. Frans find works as a neat get around to the problem.

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Oooooops I think this is in the wrong thread.

I did use GWX after I had done the fresh install and it worked a treat. :breakfast:

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:04 AM

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 12:33 PM

UPDATE: If you have used any of these tools and were just waiting till the last minute to get Windows 10 before the deadline so you do not have to pay for Windows 10 upgrade, that time is fast approaching.
Deadline is July 29, 2016:
What happens to those free Windows 10 upgrades after July 29, 2016? - ZDNet

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We're nearing the end of Microsoft's unprecedented free upgrade offer for Windows 10. The offer officially expires July 29, 2016, on the one-year anniversary of the operating system's initial release. But what happens then? [Updated]

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Here's the tl;dr version if you don't want to keep reading:

1. The free upgrade offer ends on July 29 and will not be extended.

2. Any upgrades completed before that date will be valid for as long as the device lasts.

3. There is a possibility that Microsoft will introduce some new upgrade offers after July 29, but don't count on it.

In fact, Microsoft's real goal with this upgrade offer isn't just to get its installed Windows 10 base to a billion. The long-term goal is to help close the books on Windows 7 in an orderly fashion before its extended support commitment ends on January 14, 2020.

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:13 PM

I'm counting on that 2020 extended support for win7--I hope they keep their word. I'm pretty sure this will be my mother's last computer (she's 88) and if I can't hold on to win7 until 2020, she's going to have to go to linux. She already uses gnucash and libre office on win7, so it really wouldn't be that much of a change with something like xfce desktop.
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Posted 03 July 2016 - 09:47 PM

View Postebrke, on 03 July 2016 - 08:13 PM, said:

I'm counting on that 2020 extended support for win7--I hope they keep their word. ...
They always have in the past, no reason to think they won't keep up the extended support till 2020.
Company i work at is not moving so quickly over to W10 - because of the fonts. TrueType fonts are now based on the new Adobe description basis and our programs can't deal with them.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 02:02 PM

42% of computers are running Win 7. This is the end of June 2016 statistic. I don't think they can afford to antagonize such a large percentage of users.

MS discovered by not supporting IE on XP and not allowing an update to IE11 on Vista, people moved to other browsers.

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In the last 12 months alone, IE -- a bucket into which Computerworld also pours Windows 10's Edge -- has lost 17.3 percentage points, representing a loss of almost a third of what the browser controlled a year ago.
Source: http://www.computerw...ecord-time.html
Chrome is now at 48.7% with IE/Edge and Firefox dropping every month.

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